When is Petraeus going to end the war?

[ProSense]

Seems everyone is happy to focus on Petraeus, who isn't the president and doesn't have a vote in Congress. Petraeus is a pawn. Bush is glad that he is getting hit from every angle. This leaves Bush free to be the subject of wonderful headlines in the media: Bush to accept General's plan!

No matter how much Petraeus is attacked, he can't end the war. He can't even influence anyone who can end the war. The majority in Congress wrote him off yesterday, but he is still the focus of attacks when that focus should have been shifted to Bush and the Roadblock Republicans.

Even Kucinich realizes that Petraeus is a pawn.

General Petraeus: Tosses a 4th Quarter Hail Mary Pass

Washington, Sep 10 - In response to the House Armed Services and Foreign Affairs joint hearing with General Petraeus, Congressman Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) issued the following statement:

“This report to Congress represents a 4th quarter strategy to delay the inevitable. General Petraeus has been tasked with stalling Congress to keep the troops in the middle of a civil war.

“General Petraeus has failed to give Congress an independent assessment of the Iraq War. His statement sounds like the President’s talking points.

“Congress should not be mollified into accepting pre-surge troop levels. His talk of troop reductions is simply a dilatory tactic to mislead Congress. That is not progress, but a continuation of the failed strategy that has led us to our current predicament. The only worthy response is for Congress to demand the withdrawal of all troops.

“We do not have to fund the war. We must tell the President NO to any additional funding. No legislation is required. No vote is required. We have the money to bring the troops home. It does not require a vote. The only thing required is honesty, integrity and a willingness to end the war.”

edited typos.

[madrchsod]

1. yes that dawned on me yesterday

to bad the media and others blame him and not bush. moveon`s big newspaper splash was really, really stupid

[ProSense]

2. Kick! n/t

[bigtree]

3. He's the point man for Bush's political scheme to remain in Iraq

He should be hit hard and repeatedly. That doesn't take Bush out of the equation. *It knocks down the bullshit he's hiding behind.

[ProSense]

4. Really?

Bush rating on Iraq improves, new poll finds

Petraeus may have bought Bush more time

[bigtree]

5. yeah, really

funny to see you now arguing politics and process over principle.

But, you still wrong on those. Petraeus is as responsible for the occupation in his deliberate sugar-coating as is the one he's shilling for. Every warmonger associated with this administration who intends to provide cover for Bush's continuing in Iraq should be directly challenged.

[ProSense]

6. "Petraeus is as responsible for the occupation"

Bill of goods. Patraeus is going to be a footnote shortly. He is out of the picture except for the his name on the report. This is Bush's policy.

Congress will not be debating Petraeus' next move. The focus is on Bush.

[bigtree]

7. you must have missed his political presentation on FOX right after he testified.

and I'm just sooo naive!!! What bullshit.

[ProSense]

8. Fox?

Are you kidding me? A pawn and a fake news channel?

Do you see the intentionally inaccurate information Faux uses for tickers?

[bigtree]

10. are you being deliberately obtuse?

Petraeus is out front selling Bush policy. Bush is hiding behind him. Petraeus and anyone else who raises their head to provide cover for Bush on Iraq should be directly confronted and knocked down. If you can't bring yourself to do that . . .

What makes you think I need your education on FOX. I just made the point that Petraeus went directly to FOX after his testimony for his 'exclusive' interview. That shows that he's just another shill for the administration, not deserving of ANY cover or ANY defense *from those who profess to be so concerned with what Bush will ultimately do with the cover he's providing.

edit: *

[ProSense]

12. Here's a clue:

The people who are actually going to be making the decision are out selling it too:

Bush, Cheney to Follow Iraq Speech With Military Base Visits

[bigtree]

13. who the hell said they shouldn't be confronted as well?

why is it either/or?

Where are they claiming to have gotten the information they're basing their decision on?

[ProSense]

14. Did you miss the point of the OP? n/t

[bigtree]

15. no, you defined it with your responses

You should get your head out of the mainstream media's ___


here's my take on the past three days, all focusing on the unfolding of Petraeus' propaganda, as well as, Bush's own responsibility:



Wednesday, September 12, 2007
Republicans Accept 1000+ More American Deaths in Iraq

What is it about the Maliki regime in Iraq which has enamored so many republicans to the point that they've become satisfied with the numbers of Americans killed in defense of the increasingly autocratic authority?
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_070912_republicans_accept_1.htm


Tuesday, September 11, 2007
Petraeus' Betrayal on Iraq

The general and his commander are betraying the demonstrated will of the American people that they bring an end to their occupation. They have, in fact, betrayed us in their coordinated refusal to allow our troops to stand down from their dubious Iraq mission.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_070911_petraeus_betrayal_on.htm


Monday, September 10, 2007
Dictating Down to Americans from 9-11 to Iraq

Bush's invasion and occupation of Iraq has be the realization al-Qaeda's dreams. Bush and his republican apologists can twist the facts every which way they want, but their diversion from the hunt for bin-Laden and his accomplices in Afghanistan to invade and occupy Iraq has to have been the single, most blundering appeasement of terrorist violence by our government ever.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_070910_dictating_down_to_am.htm


here's my earlier take on the Pentagon's propaganda:


Sunday, August 26, 2007
Military Mobilizes for Media War Against American Opinion on Iraq

The U.S. military is engaged in a new (additional) effort to organize and manipulate news and info from Iraq to their favor in an effort they hope will allow their bias to filter out to the American public. A branch has been created within the Pentagon which would provide U.S. propaganda on Iraq 24-hours-a-day, seven-days-a-week to coincide with the release of Petraeus' Iraq report in September
http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_ron_full_070826_military_mobilizes_f.htm

[ProSense]

16. Yes because the majority of Americans

are reading opednews.

I don't need convincing.

[Name removed]

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[ProSense]

9. And another thing, did you read the title of the OP

Can you tell me when Petraeus will end the war?

[bigtree]

11. strawman for a faulty premise

[ProSense]

18. Kick! n/t

[deacon]

19. This week was an absolute waste of time.

Things are the same as they were for the last 4 years.

[B Calm]

20. It will take a lot of work to clean up the mess Bush is leaving behind..