The nuke-laden B-52s last week: I have every reason to believe I saw them.

[DemoTex]

I was westbound on I-20 approaching Shreveport when I saw the first B-52 on final to Barksdale AFB, landing to the south. I almost always sight a B-52 or two on that drive through Shreveport, so I did not pay close attention. Then I saw the pair of F-16s escorting the B-52, one off each wing. A second B-52 was on final approach three miles in trail. It had two F-16s in escort. "Strange," thought I.
That was on Wednesday, September 5, the day before my B/P appointment in Dallas. That was the day (9/5) the nuke-tipped cruise missiles were moved to Barksdale. I made it to Terrell, Texas that night. I only figured this out, putting 2+2, in the last few days.

:scared:

[Junkdrawer]

1. Quick...did you count 5 or 6 nukes....

:evilgrin:

[DemoTex]

7. Lots of engines, lots of bombs.

[WinkyDink]

2. Hoyl-moly!

[TahitiNut]

3. Wouldn't cruise missile hanging off the wing pylons be noticeable?

Those things aren't particularly subtle, are they? I've had some difficulty imagining a '52 taxiing, taking off, flying, approaching, landing, and taxiing without quite a few folks noticing three cruise missiles on each pylon.

[TomInTib]

5. Originally, I wondered same. But thinking about it...

I think that not many folks around have seen a cruise hanging under a B52 wing.

When I used to stand guard for nukes on ships, most of the crew were clueless.

[DemoTex]

8. Oh hell no! Internal bomb-bay stuff.

Way too much drag for an external rack. IMO. But, at the distance I observed said B-52s, I did not see any external stores.

[Suich]

11. OK, I'm pretty ignorant when it comes to this kind of stuff.

Sometimes the nukes are carried under the wings but other times they're carried inside?

:shrug:

[backscatter712]

40. The B-52 has both internal bomb bays and external pylons.

I'm not entirely sure how these particular missiles are to be deployed on a combat mission, maybe they can be deployed either way.

[TahitiNut]

16. I thought cruise missiles were wing-mounted, three to a pylon. No??

At least these "low (radar) profile" jobs. Would they put them in the bomb bay(s)? (Confused.)

[DemoTex]

19. If so, I did not see them on wing hard points.

But, then again, I was NOT looking that close! I saw two B-52s from a distance, with the fighter escorts.

[Wiley50]

31. DemoTex, The Flight That Was Reported, They Flew On The Hardpoints

But that flight was on the 30th
who knows how many times they've done this and didn't get reported
It's really scary to get a peek at something that is obviously bigger
than you can see it in whole

[TahitiNut]

32. That's what stuck in my mind. Like this: ...

Airmen secure an ACM cruise missile to a B-52 Stratofortress pylon during an alert generation exercise at Minot Air Force Base, Tuesday, Feb. 28, 2006. (U.S. Air Force photo/Staff Sgt. Jocelyn Rich)

[TomInTib]

23. Transport them in bays, strike on the wing.

No effing way they are going to merely transport those things on the wings.

Way too much risk of BigFuckUp.

While I am far afield on this, I do understand logistics and I know enough guys like Mac (DemoTex) who have learned me this shit.

[hootinholler]

30. That was the reports I saw...

They were on the pylons. But that cruise missile is like 20 feet long so hanging under the wing might not be very noticeable.

-Hoot

[A HERETIC I AM]

25. Or not...

On a lighter note, i heard a pretty funny Air Force B-52 joke....

An F-16 pilot declares he is having trouble with his single engine and requests clearance to land. The Air traffic control tells him he is number two, behind a B-52 with one engine shut down. "Ah", the fighter pilot remarked. "The dreaded Seven-Engine approach".

[nono]

10. Standing guard

You must have been A O above 3rd class to pull this duty.

[DemoTex]

12. I was the missions ops officer in a T/S Code-Word SIGINT unit in Viet Nam (ASA).

And as an aviation/military writer, I am still in the loop.

[TomInTib]

4. There are only 2-3 people here from whom I would find this account credible.

And you are one of them, M.

This should be a huge story.

[DemoTex]

9. Thanks Tom ...

My eyes to your ears.

Mac

[Pavulon]

6. Maybe they figured it out mid-flight

something like this..."umm guys, we just figured out that you are carrying hot weapons" "say again" ...

depressing that a mistake that big can happen.

[Vadem]

13. There is a story out there that 6 nukes left Minot, ND and only ...

5 nukes landed in Barksdale, LA. This was actually on Rense; has anyone else heard about this missing nuke on other sites? Pretty scary! False flag anyone?

[BrotherBuzz]

17. Anything from Rense must be viewed with a jaundiced eye

Nevertheless, I've heard the same rumor from other sources.

[CoffeeCat]

20. Here's another link to same story...

I haven't seen this story covered by a MSM outlet. It's up on DIGG as well, and
many are saying that they're aggressively emailing this story to the MSM. If it's
true, can it be ignored?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread302187/pg1

(snip)
The number of missiles and warheads issue was overlooked.

Early news reports spoke of five nuclear warheads loaded onto the bomber. Apparently, this information was provided from Barksdale.

That number was later updated to six weapons missing from Minot, apparently based on anonymous tips provided to Military Times by people at Minot. This information has also been forgotten.

Six nuclear weapons disappeared from Minot AFB in North Dakota.

Five nuclear weapons were discovered at Barksdale AFB in Louisiana.

Which leads to my chilling conclusion:

Someone, operating under a special chain of command within the United States Air Force, just stole a nuclear weapon.

[Nevernose]

34. Someone stole a nuclear weapon?

Based on "anonymous tips?" This isn't a fwe rifles or even explosives we're talking about, but actual nukes?

I know this is a smarmy comment, but, seriously: cancel your HBO.

[CoffeeCat]

36. What about my subscription to "Cat Fancy"?

I paid for 12 months, and I'm only on my second issue.

Thoughts?

[slowry]

14. Recommended -- you certainly know what you're talking about.

Thank you for posting this.

[jimshoes]

15. I believe the missile "accident"

happened on Aug. 30. I copied a snippet from the article below...

Nuclear warheads mistakenly flown on B-52, landing at Barksdale AFB
By Michael Hoffman
Military Times

"A B-52 bomber mistakenly loaded with five nuclear warheads flew from Minot Air Force Base, N.D, to Barksdale Air Force Base, La., on Aug. 30, resulting in an Air Force-wide investigation, according to three officers who asked not to be identified because they were not authorized to discuss the incident.

There certainly seems to be some very odd behavior going on with the Air Force these days though. Maybe the 9-5 flight was more of the same?!

Edit to add links
Link to some previous threads;
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1765351

[Mabus]

22. Hmmm, 8/30, the day after Bush was in Louisiana

:tinfoilhat:

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
August 29, 2007

President Bush Discusses Rebuilding Efforts in New Orleans

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/08/20070829-5.html

[AndyTiedye]

18. Kicked onto the "Greatest" Page

:kick: :scared: :nuke:

[GeorgeGist]

21. sorry no cigar for you, the date was 8/30

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

24. I was under the impression, from what I have read...

That one of the big causes of this broughaha is that this BUFF did, in fact, make this trip with these ALCM on the external hardpoints, and not internally.

Now, what did I miss?

[smoogatz]

26. There was only one, and it flew from Minot to Barksdale on 8/30.

http://www.navytimes.com/news/2007/09/marine_nuclear_B52_070904w/

Also note that the missiles were mounted on the external wing pylons.

[Wiley50]

28. It Was The Only One The Whistleblowers Caught

Who knows how many shipments they missed

The F-16 escorts sound kinda suspicious to me

[smoogatz]

29. It's possible.

But for all I (or you) know, it's routine to fly B-52s w/ F16 escorts in U.S. airspace.

[Octafish]

27. Wow! You probably did, DemoTex! Wow!

And you also provide evidence of what may be many nukes heading for
deployment to the front lines of the Middle East, Diego Garcia, Prairie View or Detroit.

They certainly aren't heading for de-commissioning.



These are multi-generational lying gangster NAZI scum
who repeatedly lie America into war for profit and power.

To them we are mopes and cannon fodder.

[hootinholler]

33. Are the 16 escorts SOP for an unloaded B52?

Or is that in itself remarkable?

-Hoot

[orleans]

35. i thought that no one knew what was on the plane at the time

so why the hell would they be escorting it?

(my bitching is definitely not directed at you--it's at all these fucking LIES they keep tossing out at us. and really...was it FIVE OR SIX?? i can't find an article that gives a definitive answer on this. why the hell not?? wasn't this really important??)

ugh!

[populistdriven]

37. So is the missing bomb going to be tested by "Iran" next week?

I imagine a nuke test would be enough of an excuse. As a false flag. Just aim a cruise missile at the Kerman, Iran desert and boom.

[Kelly Rupert]

43. What kind of false flag would that be?

We're going to make it look like Iran nuked itself?

[Flabbergasted]

38. *****NUKES WERE MOVED ON 8/30*******

http://www.armytimes.com/news/2007/09/marine_nuclear_B52_070904w/

[windbreeze]

41. That article is definitely saying 6 nuke warheads went to Barksdale..

so where did the story about 5 come from? and Yes, I have read reports of 5 also...what one site stated, was...not to lose sight of what's important...HOW MANY warheads were transferred, and WHO GAVE THE ORDERS?

[Flabbergasted]

44. Well it became a big deal today because of this post :

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x174276


I think this article is rediculous because of the lack of a credible source.

[windbreeze]

50. I wasn't on that site, and hadn't read that thread here...

I read the questions elsewhere on the web....We know the nukes were moved illegally...so since they WERE moved illegally, then why wouldn't it be possible for one to have come up missing along the way...??? someone high up, took a very big risk for some reason...so much so, that the result was that ALL of our AIR defense will be shut down tomorrow..so IF that is what they were after? then the question becomes why?..

I am not saying one of the nukes is missing...what I am saying, is that it is plausible, considering how many people (Chertoff/Cheney) have been trying to prepare us for a nuclear strike in this country I can't count how many times I have heard about that being said in the last few weeks..Someone ratted this operation out...BUT...was it possible some of these operations happened either before or even since..??? and why?? and who is giving the orders? We know it HAS to come from very HIGH up the chain of command..

I figure since the AF admitted the nukes were moved...then why couldn't they also confirm numbers that left Minot and arrived in Barksdale for sure, and thereby eliminate all the questions(about this episode at least)...wb

[backscatter712]

39. I pray to God this is nothing but an internet rumor.

F-16 escorts aren't done for shits & grins - sortieing an F-16 costs lots of money!

Note two escorts each for two B-52s - each of them which could have carried up to six nuclear cruise missiles on its wing hardpoints. That's twelve cruise missiles if this is correct.

No offense, DemoTex, but I hope this story isn't true, because if it is, we're all in very deep shit...

At the minimum, it shows that it isn't just an accidental nuclear flight - it was an intentional nuclear weapons flight, hence the fighter escorts. Also, it shows that more nukes may have been transported to Barksdale on combat aircraft than the leak revealed.

[Crabby Appleton]

45. self delete

[Kelly Rupert]

42. Kind of funny this is on Greatest,

when half the posts are, "um, that wasn't the right day."

[Crabby Appleton]

46. I don't think many have noticed

that the date of the OP's observation does not occur on the day of the nuke movement.

[leftchick]

47. I believe the "incident" happened Aug. 30

but was not reported until Sept. 5. I will look for a link if you want. Damn, I hope there are not more than 6 loose nukes.

[Crabby Appleton]

48. That is correct - link

http://www.militarytimes.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1559956

[B Calm]

49. I look for the neo cons to nuke an American city to create another 9-11

event..

[Javaman]

51. If was an accident as the admin* claims why then have 2 F-16's escort it?

odd, huh?