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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:03 AM
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Why Mexican and Canadian trucks on US roads?
Why Mexican and Canadian trucks on US roads?

It's nothing but trouble.

I was driving home yesterday in a line of cars when a Canadian 18 wheeler roared by us doing well over 80 on a 2 lane road with a 55 MPH speed limit. I was the second car in line and there was about a hundred meters between me an the car in front. Not content to pull in in front of me, he tries to pass the car in front with a hill coming up.

It was one of those situations that really want to make you wonder where's a cop when you need them. Sure enough, about the time the truck gets even with the car in front, here comes a car, cresting the hill in the other direction. I know this is not good. Somebody is going to get hurt. The brake lites come on and the oncoming car goes off the road and onto the grass. Close call.

As I'm approaching the car that was run off the road, the blue lights come on. He ran a State Trooper off . I and the other cars pull of and let the Trooper hang a U turn and figure that's the end of this clown.

It was not to be. About 45 minutes later as I'm approaching Bangor on 95 Northbound, here comes the same truck in the outside lane doing well over 90.

This is not an isolated incident. it's a regular occurrence to hear of accidents by rigs with Canadian drivers and police stopping overloaded and defective Canadian 18 wheelers.

What's going to happen is that US companies will set up shop in Canada and Mexico and use local drivers to haul their goods. These crooks that are Junior's base are going to make a profit no matter what, even if innocent civilians have to die. What do they care? Their buddies in the insurance business will cover their losses and pass the cost onto honest drivers.


This shit has to stop. Deregulation is one thing, but outright economic piracy is something else.

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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:08 AM
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1. Oh sure, the old let's let one bad apple spoil the barrell scene.
For the flame-bait impaired: :sarcasm:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:22 AM
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4. Do you consider my post a troll?
Just curious.
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:25 AM
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5. Do you not see the sarcasm smiley? No, I do not consider your post a troll.
I think trucking on American roads should be done by Americans..er.. US Americans that is.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:28 AM
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6. Yes by Blonde hair blue eyed americans of course. Right?
:crazy:
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 04:25 PM
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36. Are all US Americans blond and blue-eyed?
Think, mon, think.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:42 AM
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14. Should car driving in the US be done by Americans as well?
And what if American truck drivers actually drive more in Canada, making more deliveries there, than Canadian drivers do in the US? By restricting our drivers to the US and Canadian drivers to Canada, you would be costing our drivers jobs and income.

Would that make a difference in your position or is the principle that our highways should be reserved for American truck drivers more important than lost jobs and income?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:58 AM
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22. It got a few bites.
I love hooking Charley Tuna.
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MyNameGoesHere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:59 AM
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26. Oh my a clever boy you are. n/t
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:50 AM
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27. I do bring out the best in people. n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:08 AM
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2. If a truck - or anybody - is speeding or being reckless, whip out your big
cell phone and call 911 to report the license number. If, as in this case, the twit was already pulled over, a pattern would develop and the idiot driver properly fined or thrown behind bars.

There are legitimate reasons for supporting the "NAFTA superhighway" or whatever it's called. But gross speeding in a semi is downright stupid and dangerous and would be much MORE costly if the driver got into an accident.

This is one of those times when an ounce of prevention isn't beyond human ability to predict. Don't speed.

Don't they have adverts on Canadian telly stating "Don't speed"? If not, have them make some.

And if the companies have to use insurance, the cost of insurance for them goes up too. Nobody's immune there, and for the same reason: Liability risk (which simply becomes greed after a certain point.)
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:10 AM
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3. The cost of insurance goes up for everyone. n/t
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:32 AM
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7. Why not?
Why do trucks have a nationality?

Why does this alleged nationality of trucks deserve discrimination?

The standards for trucks have NOTHING to do with national origin. I think the example given is extremely selective - as if 'foreign' trucks have a worse safety record, or should be discriminated against, on U.S. roads.

The plural of anecdote is not data.

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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 07:58 AM
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8. The driver was clearly an economic terrorist, call Homeland Securuty
The guy is driving for profit, clearly his job is a front for his radical capitalist ideology. Undoubtedly there are executives in his company that speak FRENCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What more does he need to do before the nation acts? Get down at all the weigh stations and pray to Allan Greenspan, and sing verses by Ben Bernanke?

Are we secure yet? Do we have to wait until all our passports have maple leaves on them before we take action????????????????????????????????????????????

And don't get me started on the issue of radical infiltration of the US by bluenosers pretending to be tourists. We all know tourist and terrrist are interchangable terms...they come in and the next thing ya know friggin lines at Disney World are kilometers(mon dieu!!!!) long.



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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:13 AM
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10. Clearly the OP is onto something here!
From the OP: "This is not an isolated incident. it's a regular occurrence to hear of accidents by rigs with Canadian drivers and police stopping overloaded and defective Canadian 18 wheelers."

I think the fact that OTHER Canadian drivers drive recklessly (although apparently the OP has no info on that other than a wild-ass guess about this 'regular occurrence') means that this is a serious threat to our national security and economic well-being - and perhaps a threat to the existence of Americans as a people, and our nation as a free country.

This scandalous situation obviously deserves discrimination against Canadian drivers and the Canadian people. In addition to pronouncing "about" as "aboot" and spelling 'labor' as 'labour' these frostbacks have the nerve to deliver products to our country. Outrageous.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:19 AM
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12. Don't forget color. And they have no appreciation for the value of a buck
or the volume of a gallon. Just WHAT do they think makes THEIR gallon so freakin Imperial????
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:54 AM
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19. 'Dat's British Imperial Gallon mon gent.
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:54 AM by formercia
Don' lay 'dat on les Francais.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:51 AM
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18. Hey!! I'm a Frenchman
and my family has been in Quebec since the 17th. Century too.

We're all a bunch of wild and crazy guys.
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HereSince1628 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:05 AM
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20. Since the 17th Century?!! Damn! Your may not just be FRENCH you might be
a 'heritage enemy.' Paging Agent Mike! Paging Agent Mike!!!

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 09:19 AM
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21. You never know who those Frenchmen shacked up with.
Maybe some Polar Bear or Walrus.

Nothing like a big Oosic on a cold winter's night.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:17 AM
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23. Hey, if Quebec ever gains independence from Canada, and Quebec was not a party to NAFTA
many of us might learn French and move up there. Might be able to get the benefits of living in Canada plus a little extra pizazz that goes with the French culture. What do you think? Got room for some American liberals seeking an escape from NAFTA?
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:26 AM
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24. Do you really think Quebec would want higher tariffs...
on its products sold in the U.S. than the rest of Canada has? How long before Quebec would decide there's no advantage to higher tariffs for its goods sold to its largest market?

Quebec would want to sign in an instant, if it were a sovereign country.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 10:57 AM
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25. Yeah but they would get to put up high tariffs on imports from
Canada and the US. Many here seem to think that tariffs on imports are the way to insure prosperity.

Perhaps you are right, though. Before many of the pro-tariff folks moved up to an independent Quebec, they might have to investigate Quebec's balance of imports versus exports. If Quebec has a positive balance, they would not want any part of tariffs.

I suppose for many their position on tariffs versus trade depends on what your record is. If your country is a big net exporter, like Germany and, possibly, Quebec, you would avoid tariffs like the plague. If it is a net importer like the US, then they would like tariffs. (It would be like asking someone if they were a supporter of the Lakers or the Colts and their response was, "Well tell me what their records are first." Then there are those of us who think that trade is a good thing regardless of which side of the score we are on right now.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 03:27 PM
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35. No they wouldn't. They couldn't get the lower tariffs without signing NAFTA
and lower tariffs for exports and imports would be a win-win for Quebec, Canada, U.S. and Mexico.

If you think they can get favorable treatment from signatories of NAFTA, without giving those countries the same favorable treatment, I suggest you learn a little about diplomacy and economics.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 11:52 AM
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28. You might be surprised.
I wouldn't want to live there.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:07 AM
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9. This bullshit should stop ...
take some creative writing courses. :rofl:
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:16 AM
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11. In other words, Everybody, you have nothing to add to the discussion.
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 08:19 AM by robcon
But you'd like anyone who disagrees with you to shut the f*** up because you don't like the writing style.

Nice.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:43 AM
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15. In the vernacular.....
Or do you only speak anal retentive?
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:19 AM
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13. I was a partner in business that did business with Canada.
Canadian trucks have been coming here quite a while. I had things shipped to me directly on a non stop basis.
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robcon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:48 AM
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17. Direct shipment from Canada has been common since NAFTA.
I think it is outrageous that until very recently direct shipment from Mexico has been blocked, even though it was permitted by NAFTA. We have to live up to our treaties.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 01:01 PM
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34. As long as their drivers are qualified, their trucks are safe
and the drivers get paid the same as 'American' drivers.

Oh, yeah, we should have universal health care like the Canadian truck drivers as well.

As long as the playing field is level, I have no objections.

It's not the Mexicans or Canadians, its the predatory corporations that use NAFTA as profiteering leverage.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 08:47 AM
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16. O.K., giving O.P. props for LINKING "Canadian" AND "Mexican" together
instead of ALL the previous threads naming only "Mexican" trucks as the problem.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:09 PM
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29. Why American trucks on the road?
I'm more afraid of the driving of my fellow Americans. I'm threatened more on the road by my fellow Americans. Seems there are more of my fellow Americans that display incivility, rudeness, and hostility on the U.S roads than any other nationality. These are the guys that are driving up my insurance costs.

Seems to me, American drivers are responsible for more close and calls and accidents on American roads. But that's not good copy, is it?
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:43 PM
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30. That's just because there are more 'American' drivers on the roads
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 12:44 PM by formercia
You should move to Quebec City and enjoy the traffic there.

It will make you wish you were back home.

I shouldn't knock my own people...but they probably deserve it.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:55 PM
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33. relaxed in tone, if not in congestion...
Well, I drove a lot when I lived in Q-Roo (part of Mexico) and I gotta be honest-- the driving was a bit more... relaxed in tone, if not in congestion than in the U.S.

I learned to ride a motorcycle while living in Mexico and loved it. Gave up on it when I came back the states... too many 'American' drivers who owned the road, I think.
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wuushew Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:46 PM
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31. delete
Edited on Thu Sep-13-07 12:49 PM by wuushew
wrong post
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-13-07 12:49 PM
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32. So that's why my Canadian made truck has headlights always on.
Just to make sure I can't turn them off. :rofl:
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