What's going on?

[shance]

WHAT'S GOING ON?

By Carol Wolman


Going into Labor Day weekend, there were lots of rumors anticipating a false flag operation, another 9-11.

Trainloads of armored vehicles rolled into Houston.

The San Francisco Bay bridge closed for three days.

Suspicious activity was reported on ferries in Puget Sound.

Ominous civil defense exercises are being held in Oregon, as part of Operation Noble Resolve, which also involves military jets flying over New York.

An antiaircraft division is ordered to Washington DC.

We made it through the holiday safely.

Then last Wednesday, Congressman Paul Gillmor (R-OH) was found dead in his home.

This was reported as a heart attack, until word leaked out that he had blunt trauma to the head and neck. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20649320/

Now we're being told he fell down the stairs.

Gillmor was investigating a series of option trades that are suspicious- someone is betting billions of dollars that the market will fall 50% by September 21st.

Even with the housing crisis, it would take a major catastrophe, like a "terrorist" attack, to precipitate such a plunge.

As part of his job on the House Finance Committee, Gillmor was investigating this deal.

Was he murdered because he was about to reveal something?

Would this death, on top of the deaths of Senators Wellstone and Carnahan, and the anthraxing of Senators Daschle and Leahy, have a chilling effect on people in Congress?

Maybe that's why they're "spineless".
Now we learn that on August 30th, six nuclear warheads were "accidentally" shipped by B-52 from Minot Air Force Base in North Dakota to Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana. (Five arrived, did one get "lost"?
Or is someone unable to count?)

This violates all military procedure, which requires that nuclear weapons always be shipped on the ground in the continental US, so that if there's an accident, a bomb detonation won't occur.

It would take an order from the Commander-in-Chief to put nukes on a plane.

The warheads were reportedly fastened to cruise missiles, which have a range of 1500-2000 miles. Not enough to cross the Atlantic, but enough to hit cities in the US as part of a false flag operation.

This scenario is being claimed by "military investigators" on the Hal Turner show, and is making its way around the internet.

It's being said the plan was to hit 5 American cities with nuclear weapons over Labor Day weekend in order to install martial law.

If so, we have been saved by the grace of God, operating through loyal American whistleblowers, who made the "accidental shipment" of nuclear warheads public.

Now we are told that the entire Air Force will stand down on September 14th, for overhaul and review of procedures. http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/airforce_aircombatcommand_standdown_070807/

Our skies will be unguarded for a day, and our vulnerability has been announced to the whole world.

It's an open invitation to America's enemies to attack us.

The last stand-down, unannounced ahead of time, took place on Sept 11, 2001. What's planned for Sept. 14th, 2007?

Oddly enough, El Al, the Israeli airline, will not be flying planes that day either.

What is going on? One of my most anti-conspiracy friends says he believes it's a giant conspiracy. What do you think? and how can we nip it in the bud?

Let us pray that honest, conscientious, loyal Americans will abort whatever evil plot is in the works, just as someone "outed" the nukes on the B 52 on August 30th.

Let us remember that many such evil plots have been headed off- the fourth plane that did NOT hit Congress or the White House 6 years ago (which would have initiated martial law) , the anthrax that did NOT wipe out the whole Senate (thanks to alert postal workers and doctors at the Communicable Disease Center), the lie about "yellowcake from Niger" that was exposed by Ambassador Joe Wilson (at great cost to his wife Valerie Plame, and to all of us who were being protected by her undercover CIA network), and many others.

What to do?

Talk about the Sept 14th stand-down and your suspicions, write about it, protest about it.

The truth will set us free. God is with us, with We the People.

We are being threatened with great harm by those in power who are supposed to be serving us. If we shed enough light, if we make enough noise, if we love our country and our planet, we will finally be able to overthrow the pirates who have hijacked our ship of state, and bring them to justice.

Impeachment now!

In the name of the God of truth and justice, Carol Wolman

http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_carol_wo_070911_9_11_2007__what_s_go.htm

[fooj]

1. El Al won't be flying in American airspace on the 14th?

IMO, that's not good when you factor everything else in. Crap.

Thanks for the post. I read that the Congressman died from a heart attack. Sadly, blunt head trauma makes sense to me. How sad is that?

[cali]

10. Guess what? El-Al doesn't fly on the Jewish Sabbath

What's more, this is the High Holy days.

From wiki:

El Al does not fly on Shabbat, despite the financial losses that this entails./

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El_Al

[nadinbrzezinski]

42. And next week it is the day of the atonment so they will

not fly either... since it is called shabat Shabaton

[Matariki]

45. Are they flying during the day friday?

Or does not flying on Shabbat go from friday to sunday morning?

[nadinbrzezinski]

50. Because olf time lines and shifting hours

they usually do not fly during the day

Something about landing somewhere where the Shabat already started

[fooj]

56. Thanks for the info.

That explains that one, eh?

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

39. ITS TEH JOOS!!!!11

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Getting facts right will help people to make their case

Division, anywhere from 12K to 20K troops depending on force strenth and composition

Incidentally no specialized unit such as artillery or AA comes in anything larger than oh Regiment, and those are rare... (4K troops)

They sent a BATALLION, about 1000 troops and led by a light colonel

Paying attention to stupid details like this will help people maintain some kind of credibility, especially with those of us FAMILIAR with Tables of Organization and Equipment

And yes, my tinfoil hat went off over the death of the Congressman, but blunt head trauma is also caused by a fall...

[fooj]

4. These are troubling times we are living in, aren't they?

Hello Nadin...nice to see you. :hi:

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. They are but some of these things are explainable

earthquake retrofiting for a bridge... they are doing that all over california, and started doing such well before 9.11... hell the Northridge quake had far more to do with that than anything else.

The Congressman got my tinfoil going... and yes I have read some into the Usama bet... that is what those bets on the stock exchange are called now.

But if people are going to get any, and I mean ANY kind of attention they need to spend a little time in the details, the devil is in the details

As to scary times...

Plan for the worst, and hope for the best, and they have yet to disapoint

[AlCzervik]

3. The bridge was closed for earth quake retro fitting.

[againes654]

5. Ya know

it seem kind of convenient that the stand down is the day before the big march on DC. Wouldn't that be a great way to stop the march without openly violating anyones rights.

May the grace of God be with all tomorrow, and in the future!!!

[LSparkle]

7. And key sheik in Iraq we've been working with was just killed

Just like Massoud (of the Northern Alliance) only days before 9/11 ... along with the spate of bin Laden tapes ... I can't help but worry that signals are being sent to the "troops in the field" to put some plans into motion.

I WILL NOT BE AFRAID but I'll be glad if we get through tomorrow and the weekend without any problems.

[Psychmd]

8. Where are the Pres and VP supposed to be tomorrow?

[cali]

9. Hysterical bullshit

Why am I not surprised? A quick perusal via google would quickly debunk this nonsense. This whole thing was evidently started by right wingnut racist Hal Turner.

[Megahurtz]

13. I Don't Think So,

I think people need to hear this.

[cali]

15. Let's see; the bridge closure was routine

El-Al doesn't fly on the Jewish Sabbath, The AF is NOT the only service patrolling the skies, so they won't be unprotected, and the rumor was started by wingnut Hal Turner. Don't you think that's enough to discredit it?

[Megahurtz]

17. And I Suppose That

the locked and loaded Nuclear Warheads on the wings of a B-52 were just an "accident"? :eyes:

[cali]

21. I can't argue one way or another

because I just don't know enough. I've seen credible explanations here, but again, I don't know. Nevertheless, that's hardly evidence for these absurd claims.

[againes654]

24. It is hardly evidence against either

[cali]

25. Perhaps not, but seeing that so many of the claims in this

alarmist little screed are blatantly false, and the rumor about the nuking of American cities was started by a wingnut to the right of the KKK, why would you believe anything in there?

[againes654]

28. Because

The nuking of the 5 cities may be a rumor, but that is not the only thing in the story. You latched on to one name, and discredited the whole story.

If you think things are kosher, then more power to you. Too many things going on under the surface. I just went out and looked at the sky, and took a deep breath of the semi-fresh air we have. Going to the grocery store after work to stock up...just in case. If nothing happens then I will just have alot of food and water.

[cali]

30. Nothing wrong with that

I have a bit of survivalist mindset myself. Hell, friends and I have been keeping an emegency food shelf for years. I deliberately live in a place where I have gravity fed water and heat by wood. I'm just saying that this is bullshit, not that nothing could happen, and i didn't just latch onto one thing. I pointed out several false claims.

[Megahurtz]

32. I Agree.

Stocking up on Potassium Iodide wouldn't be a bad idea either. Not to be paranoid, just prepared.

[CoffeeCat]

57. Do you have some?

I do. I purchased it on Ebay more than a year ago. Last night,
I felt compelled to make sure I knew where it was.

Something just doesn't feel right.

[Matariki]

46. The Shabbath is Saturday. The 14th is Friday.

Okay the Shabbath starts Friday sundown. What about during the day tomorrow? Please correct me if I'm wrong...

[nadinbrzezinski]

51. They won't fly becuase of the danger of landing

somewhere where the Shabat already started

[robertpaulsen]

36. The whole thing?

Hal Turner made up the 9/21 put options?

Hal Turner made up the 6 nukes missing 5 nukes returned stories?

Hal Turner made up the Gillmor death reports of heart attack initially, then blunt trauma afterward?

Hal Turner made up Gillmor investigating the 9/21 put options?

Hal Turner made up the 9/14 standdown?

Link please?

[cali]

40. Here let me help you.

I didn't say Hal Turner made up the whole thing. He's evidently the source for the nuking 5 cities story.

The 9/21 put option story has been debunked in several places:

The blogosphere and options trading desks have been rife with speculation about these trades, which are unusually large bets that the market will make a huge move in the next month. Some entity, or entities, has taken a large position on extremely deep in the money S&P 500 options, both puts and calls, that won't pay off unless the market undergoes an extremely large price move between now and the options' expiration on Sept. 21.

However, Dan Perper, a Partner at Peak 6, one of the largest option market makers and proprietary trading firms, has confirmed that the trades are part of a "box-spread trade."

"This was done as a package in which the box spread was used means of alternative financing at more attractive interest rates" explained Perper.

Simply put, two parties agree to trade the box at a price that essentially splits the difference between current rates.

For example, the rough numbers would be that given the September 700/1700 box must settle at a value of 1,000 -- it is currently trading around 997 -- that translates into a 5% interest rate.

For the seller it is a way to borrow money at a slight discount to the prevailing rate, and for the buyer, it is a way to lend money at a low rate of return, but it's better than nothing at a time when others are scared and have painted themselves into a box (ha ha) because they have run out available funds.

Currently there are about 63,000 700/1700 boxes open. Perper expects that once the September options expire, you will see similar boxes established in the December series. As to why the September 700 put has over 116,000 contracts open, Perper thinks a good portion of that was created from the prior rollover when April options expired.
http://forums.canadiancontent.net/international-politics/66830-another-silly-conspiracy-theory.html

Gilmore's death is hardly proof of anything. It's a rumor that he was investigating options. Provide a credibel link- like his office that confirms that he was.

The standdown does not mean there won't be air patrol by other service branches. There will be.

As I pointed out, the El-Al thing is false.

As someone else pointed out, the bridge thing is false.

Isn't that enough to make you doubt?

[robertpaulsen]

44. Here's what you said on post 9.

This whole thing was evidently started by right wingnut racist Hal Turner.

Now, you're saying he's just the source for the five nukes story, which may be true that he is a source, though I have yet to see proof that he is the original source.

Am I being anal? Perhaps. My problem is that you used this disingenuous rationale as an excuse to alert the mods in an attempt to shut down this thread. That's not right. Personally, I don't believe that there will be a terror attack in this country until 2009. But I still find some possibilities within this story to be worth following. I disagree most emphatically with your attempt to stifle discussion on this matter.

[CoffeeCat]

58. Wasn't the original source of the 5 nukes story...

....the "Army Times"?

I thought that they reported it, and Above Top Secret then picked it up.
However the link to the Army Times story was "AWOL", but people used
several methods to resurrect the story.

Is that correct?

If so, there seems to be a credible source on the 5-nukes aspect of all of this.

[AntiFascist]

47. Speaking of right wingnuts....

right wing media has been pushing the "Day of Islam" book for, what, over a year now? The "Day of Islam" is supposed to be an al Qaida plan where 7 nuclear bombs go off in cities simultaneously. Hal Turner is not the only nut pushing this, and, just because wingnuts are pushing something doesn't mean we should discount it. Wingnuts were also behind the anthrax mailings. At least one Republican leader has flat out stated that we need another terrorist event for the country to unite behind Bush once again. There are also many valid stories of right-wing evangelist groups infiltrating the AF. Considering all of this together, people should at least be wary.

[The Doctor.]

60. That covers it pretty well. Thanks for putting the work in.

I'm still concerned about that 'missing nuke'... is it really missing?

[Flabbergasted]

43. Yep.

[cali]

11. I've never done it before but

I just asked for this thread to be locked, and I really hope the mods can see their way to doing it.

It's just crap to spread a rumor instigated by bigot wingnut Turner.

[Megahurtz]

14. It Makes No Sense That

a RightWingNut would spread a rumor against his own Party does it? :think:

There are others talking about all of the pieces to this puzzle, and they're not WingNuts.

[AlCzervik]

18. sometimes bridges need earth quake retro fitting because there are earth quakes.

[Megahurtz]

23. I Understand That, But

you're only focusing on one incident out of all of the others. There are just too many suspicious things going on not to suspect that BushInc. isn't up to something, or at least trying.

[AlCzervik]

26. The Stand down was ordered so the air force can review safety procedures

because of the nuke flyover fuck up.

[femrap]

62. If I were running the military, I

would rotate the 'training' over a few days or a week so some portion of the air defense were in operation. Wouldn't that be the sensible thing to do? Why announce to the world that our air defense is down for the day?

Sounds like that would be against our national security....right?

[cali]

27. So you're just ignoring

That I've provided evidence against the El-Al claim, not to mention the information that the AF is not the only service that patrols, and the info about the instigator of this rumor. You're just determined to ignore facts.

[Megahurtz]

37. There Are Too Many

other facts than just this Hal Turner guy.

Look, I'm not just latching on to a certain date, I just believe that BushInc. wants to bomb Iran
and impose Martial Law before he is out of office and is trying to figure out a way of doing it.

If I'm wrong, which I hope I am, than it will be because people on the inside
that really know what is being planned are circumventing it somehow,
just like what probably happened with the latest Nuke incident.

But that will take a lot.:(

[cali]

19. Hal Turner is a racist nut

and he's mentioned in the OP and if you google you'll see that he's credited with much of this rumor. From wiki:

Turner's website and radio program is largely devoted to a digest of news concerning crimes committed by minorities, which Turner couches in racist epithets. He supports strict limits on immigration; advocates the hunting and killing of illegal immigrants <8>; promotes anti-Semitism including rounding up and killing Jews; and opposes the existence of the State of Israel. <9> He also authors and promotes Holocaust denial material.<10> Turner advocates political assassination and overthrowing the government, because, he says, the current United States government is corrupt beyond repair. However, he has also endorsed Ron Paul for president in 2008.<11> His website serves as a virtual meeting place for fellow white supremacists, via its comment pages.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hal_Turner

[Truth2Tell]

64. I highly doubt the veracity of this post as well, But

:wtf: !!!

You asked for the thread to be locked?! Cuz you disagree with what's being said?

Just refute it for chrissakes!

Totally sick.

[Megahurtz]

12. What IS Going On???

>>>"It's being said the plan was to hit 5 American cities with nuclear weapons over Labor Day weekend in order to install martial law."<<<

I haven't heard this actual scenario, but don't doubt at all that it could be possible.
Has anyone else heard this and any links? :shrug:
And if so, supposedly there is still one Nuke missing. :scared: Shit! :banghead: At least someone(s) blew the whistle on this horrendous plan but now what are they going to scramble up at the last minute?
Now I bet they're even more desperate!:nuke:

I do not trust them and I have had foreboding feelings about this.:(

[porphyrian]

16. Not much. What's going on with you?

Oh.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

20. Cheney will be in Tampa

speaking to som (some)COM folks

someone the link ist somewhere here

editet for freudian

[againes654]

22. I heard Cheney will be in FL.

Heard that on the other discussion on DU

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3517138

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

29. my source is this

http://www.tboblogs.com/index.php/news/story/cheney-to-visit-macdill-friday

[againes654]

33. That says Tampa,

Not Tulsa.

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

34. oops my mistake

freudian mistake...tampa...anyway out of DC

[againes654]

38. No prob

[Individualist]

31. Here's more

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1800232

[Niccolo_Macchiavelli]

35. another dot (crossposting from Babylonsister)

Hmmm, what could this mean?


http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2007/09/2007091...

Office of the Press Secretary
September 12, 2007

Notice: Continuation of the National Emergency with Respect to Certain Terrorist Attacks


RSS Feed White House News

Consistent with section 202(d) of the National Emergencies Act (50 U.S.C. 1622(d)), I am continuing for 1 year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, in Proclamation 7463, with respect to the terrorist attacks at the World Trade Center, New York, New York, the Pentagon, and aboard United Airlines flight 93, and the continuing and immediate threat of further attacks on the United States.

Because the terrorist threat continues, the national emergency declared on September 14, 2001, last extended on September 5, 2006, and the powers and authorities adopted to deal with that emergency, must continue in effect beyond September 14, 2007. Therefore, I am continuing in effect for an additional year the national emergency I declared on September 14, 2001, with respect to the terrorist threat.

This notice shall be published in the Federal Register and transmitted to the Congress.

GEORGE W. BUSH

yes i admit it doesn't support the MIHOP suspicion for tomorrow directly but it fits nice in the picture

[eyesroll]

53. This has been enforced since right after 9/11/2001, and extended more than once.

It's status quo.

[treestar]

54. He's claiming it's still an emergency 6 years later

:banghead:

[earth mom]

41. ...

:scared:

[Control-Z]

48. k n r

'cuz this is some scary shit.

Top it off, my ex (Narssicist) husband complimented me today. Even scarier.

Florida's looking good right now.

[NYC]

49. Some of those things are not odd.

Some of them are.

There seem to be a lot of things happening lately.

[FourScore]

52. I didn't know all of this. Great post!!

K&R.

[ArbustoBuster]

55. Quoting Hal Turner's show is an immediate red flag.

Hal Turner is a white supremacist psychotic with a podcast. His claim to fame is as a constant caller to the Sean Hannity show in the late Nineties, and buying time on a New Jersey radio station a few years ago to make himself into a right-wing talk show mouthpiece. He hates Jews, immigrants, liberals, and pretty much everything else.

http://www.adl.org/main_Extremism/turner_own_words.htm
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/entertainment/article_21219381.shtml

Anything said on his podcast is suspect, and the fact that this article quotes the Hal Turner show makes it suspect too.

[Beerboy]

59. I read all that, but it seemed disjointed and not making a point,

n/t.

[cherokeeprogressive]

61. .

[cherokeeprogressive]

63. "someone is betting billions of dollars that the market will fall 50% by September 21st"

This needs to stay on top of the board at least until next Friday, Sep 21st.

[davsand]

65. Do not give in to fear.

Fear really DOES kill the ability to think clearly. Keep on speaking truth to power and keep on standing up as an active participant in our democracy. Giving in to fear only leads to giving up. Giving up is not something I intend to do.

By all means--you can lay in emergency supplies (not a bad idea under any scenario, really) and by all means start taking about WHY you feel afraid of this government we have. THOSE activities will help us all and will help YOU to feel safer.

Stay strong!


Laura