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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 06:44 AM
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There will be NO "reconciliation" for Iraqis
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 06:46 AM by SoCalDem
Talk of it is just another dodgy pipe-dream.

People who have gut-level..soul-level grievances will never live together in a fully peaceful manner.

A tyrant can subdue those violent tendencies, and can even forge alliances at family levels, through work and marriage, but when they tyrant falls, all bets are off.

When a third party (that would be US) interferes and stirs the pot as we have done, things only get worse. In the frenzy to try and kill us, they have also turned on each other. Complete chaos is the perfect time to "even old scores".

When almost every family has lost loved ones, homes, businesses, futures, and even pasts..there will be no reconciliation. An edgy truce is about all one can hope for..and that's only as long-lasting as whatever "peace" comes out of the tumult.

Oil, and its profits will always be that rock in the sandal, though, and no real peace will ever come to pass in Iraq. Non one will ever feel as if their particular group is being treated fairly, and outsiders will probably be meddling in Iraq forever.

Many people were astonished when Yugoslavia catapulted itself onto its sword when Tito died, and the iron curtain melted away.. Yugoslavia was a very forward country, and had a very westernized outlook, and look what happened to it.. How could ANYONE have predicted less for a country like Iraq..Bogus in its very creation, and held together by a brutal dictator whom WE supported off an on. We were the LAST people on earth who would have any credibility in the re-creation of Iraq..

That said, we DID have a very small window of opportunity, but we blew that window to smithereens and then bulldozed it under..

When we breezed into Iraq with little or no resistance, we had an opportunity to enlist the Iraqi people in a massive rebuilding of their own country.. they had engineers, doctors, teachers, plumbers, electricians, farmers..every occupation one could imagine..

The jobs that had once been handed out by Saddam, would have been available to everyone..there could have been a Renaissance...but we chose to take them back to the Dark Ages.

Every male from 15-55 should have been given a JOB..even if it was sweeping up .. they could have been paid $1k a month (far cheaper than this war) and they could have been provided with the raw materials needed for rebuilding their country..

Idle hands are the devil's workshop, and families used to having little or nothing, could have found themselves with 3 or 4 or more family members earning large (for them) sums of money..

Local businesses would have sprung up, and life could have become "normal" again.

By denying them jobs and meaningful work, we reignited a hatred in them that spilled buckets of blood..everyone's blood.

Now we have millions of people who have left Iraq (that's a prime reason that violence seems lessened), created hardships for all of Iraq's neighbors who have reluctantly taken these people in, and we have the hard core no-good-niks left behind..

Total failure to plan.. Total failure to execute..Total failure all 'round.

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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:18 AM
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1. We will leave, there will be ethnic cleansing and the MSM talking heads will blame the Dems.
Edited on Fri Sep-14-07 07:19 AM by DCKit
There will be no reconciliation as long as any single group, regardless of their religious affiliation, is hungry for wealth and power. It's NEVER actually about religious beliefs, that's just another rallying point re: gays, jews, blacks, democrats, vegans, Islam, etc.... All you need is a difference that will rally enough support. Ask Hitler or Stalin.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:20 AM
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2. and there is the oil..
oil is and has been worth killing for..for a long time.:(

tormented, angry, "left-behinders" in Iraq will have a difficult time cobbling together any meanigful version of a country..
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:25 AM
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3. In all likelihood.
We should probably just fast forward to partitioning. US troops can provide some temporary protection to the population while they pack up and move to their respective sectors, choosing to stay behind at their own peril. And maybe seal the borders to prevent outside mischief. Small force required. Bring the rest home.
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DCKit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:27 AM
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4. "seal the borders". Bwahahahahahahahahah. Yeah, we're good at that. n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:28 AM
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5. Thatw as my first thought too.. Too bad we hanged saddam.. he was good at that.
:evilgrin:
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:56 AM
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6. Ah, so you don't think US forces are capable of doing that?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 07:56 AM
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7. Not in the numbers we have, or could muster
Iraq has a pretty big border..
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:06 AM
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9. plus Iraq has many proud people who don't like having their country taken
by the likes of bush/cheney* and company
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:09 AM
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10. Well,
with air patrols, AWACS, drones, satellite imagery, and some manned checkpoints in key locations, I doubt it would be that big a job once tasked for it, though I don't know how much of the terrain is passable. Building large berms would probably help as well as has been done in some parts of the south I believe.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-14-07 08:05 AM
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8. as long as there is our easily obtained oil under their sand
there will be no nothing for the Iraqi except more hardship. bushco* is stealing them blind and chaos is the vehicle used
Can any of us imagine how it must feel to be one of the perpetrators to this atrocity. I would think being hung over from booze or sleeping pills has to get old sooner or later
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