Bush is insane. The Democrats are enablers. The media are complicit. What the hell do we do now?

[chimpymustgo]

After that heinous speech last night, and the general media proclamation that "Bush has WON" - he'll keep getting more money for his war - what can we, as citizens do? Is there anything at all? We are screaming, but we are not listened to.

What's our next move?

[Gman]

1. Torches, ax handles and pitchforks at midnight

in front of the WH is a good start.

[Horse with no Name]

And unless we are willing to do that

Then it is more of the same.

[liberaldemocrat7]

32. Please do this. test my political theory. You have nothing to lose.

Call GOP contributor and war contractor General Electric Corporation at 203 373 2211 and ask for the public relations department. Tell the person in public relations that you want the GE CEO to get Bush to end the war in Iraq and then Bush resign with Cheney and until that happens you will not buy any GE products and that you will tell your friends about this.

[Le Taz Hot]

44. You really think the destruction of our

country is due to GOP contributors? You might want to look at the contribution list of ALL politicians. If you don't you're missing half the problem. And, btw, GE doesn't care what you think. They don't need our declining US dollars -- it's a global economy and the dollar is sinking faster than you can say Weimer Republic. This is SO FAR BEYOND politics.

[liberaldemocrat7]

49. Yes I do. I respectfully disagree with you. GE appears part of the problem.

Call GE and hold them accountable for this war. Get their CEO to get the war ended and until that happens you will not buy their products.

I spoke on CSPAN today and told people to call GE.

[Le Taz Hot]

51. They have absolutely NO vested

interest in doing this. They're making record profits. Really, why would they do this?

[Greyhound]

53. With all due respect, GE makes a huge amount of $$, a majority of their

profits, from their defense contracts. The idea that complaints from "American consumers" (that is all we are to them), a market that they're nearly ready to abandon, would influence them is beyond unlikely.

[Maggie_May]

30. chant the words impeach NOW

just posted that I had that dream.

[mmonk]

2. Write your congressional rep.

[demnan]

6. I wish it were that easy

I've written at least 25 letters to mine since January, met personally with him twice, given him impeachment petition signatures - nothing will ever sway him.

[mmonk]

11. I have too.

But I'm no longer going to be nice about it. I'm contacting the state democratic party as well. I'm not going to be nice about it with them either. I'm going to tell them they support this war until they do something about it. They own it. They fund it. Therefore, they support it. I'm also going to tell them they support violations of the constitution of the United States, they support the outing of an CIA agent, they support violations of international laws and human rights, they support lying to the American people and forged documents and intelligence manipulation, until they do something about it and talk to the American people about it. I going to tell them that they do not represent me as a democrat or me as a citizen by continuing to ignore me or the facts.

[Le Taz Hot]

46. They don't care what you think.

YOU are not their overlords -- the sponsors of this war are. It's who they answer to. That's why your little letter writing and phone calls make NO DIFFERENCE.

Jefferson said we would need a revolution once every 20 or 30 years or so -- we're LONG overdue.

[demnan]

3. Wish I had the answers

but I give you an "R" for asking the right questions.

Just as mad as everyone else,

Nancy

[cali]

4. Keep writing letters

keep going to protests. Call your rep about Boehner's outrageous comments. Pressure your rep not to vote for the $50 billion supplemental. That's about it, I guess.

[iconoclastic cat]

13. How about email a pic of you writing a check to their primary opponent? nt

[Just-plain-Kathy]

20. Whenever I get an e-mail from one of my reps lookings for money...

I send it back with a new subject line...

You're against Impeachment, you're nothing to me.

[leftchick]

25. I send all of those pre-paid envelopes back

weighted and with a message. I have one for Hil sitting on my counter.

[cali]

23. LOL. Leahy and Sanders aren't up

and if they were, I'd be writing a check in support. I'm almost tempted to support anyone who runs against Rep. Welch, even though I really like him, just because he isn't supporting impeachment. No one from the dem party will challenge him, but someone from the progressive party may.

[bdamomma]

yell impeachment, or say are we as a nation safer each day

that we are in Iraq, I don't think so. The sick man is breaking everyone, our country, Iraq, our military, and our souls. We need to scream out or find ourselves at the bottom of barrel and then scratching our way to get our country back. Or will we have the same fate as Germany?

[Vinca]

5. Remember the demonstrations of the Vietnam era?

It's time to come out from behind the computer screens.

[bryant69]

7. We've had some pretty big demonstrations -

I think a lot of people are both participating here and in protests.

Unless you are thinking of a specific kind of protest?

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com

[backscatter712]

37. Even demonstrations aren't working.

The murder monkey doesn't give a shit.

There's only one thing left.

Revolution.

I'd prefer a non-violent one, but it's far past time we put up with their shit, and we used the power of number to force them to fly right. Yes, force.

[bdamomma]

8. yes, I agree, we need to do more than sitting at the keyboard.

they are pushing until they achieve their sick goals, and they are close to the goal now.

[CrispyQ]

19. Most of those demonstrators were college students.

And why did they care? Because there was a draft. The stakes were more personal back then, so people were more motivated to speak out against the war, both students & parents.

Until this war hits more Americans on a personal level, or until the majority of people are cold & hungry, they are not going to hit the streets. The majority of citizens still have too much to lose. Sadly, they don't seem aware of the scope of what they are really about to lose.

Every day I find it harder & harder to be optimistic about our county's future.

on edit: I could swear I responded to Vinca. oops!

[Vinca]

52. Bingo! You're exactly right. The draft was the motivating factor.

This time around, if I wasn't a person interested in politics and news, I could go about my business and not be aware there is a war going on. The only people sacrificing anything are the military people and their families. To add insult to injury, Shrub is charging it to the Chinese credit card so the descendants of the dead and wounded will be footing the bill. The whole thing is a nightmare and it seems like no matter how many phone calls we make or how many letters or emails we send, nothing changes.

[groovedaddy]

9. Build the grassroots! Organize!

Return the Democratic party to its roots: middle and working class. Or help build a new party, if that's your inclination.
Our problems as a party started when, at the national level, "we" opted for big money contributions and soundbite ads. The party abandoned the grassroots (didn't need 'em!) and The repubs built their base using grassroots methods combined with market research.
Howard Dean has the right idea and I firmly believe, if we're willing to get out and knock on doors, make phone calls and utilize the internet, we can turn this shit around.

[PassingFair]

15. The problem is:

I will NOT:

"get out and knock on doors, make phone calls and utilize the internet"

...for Hillary Clinton and Rahm Emanuel.

[groovedaddy]

21. How is that a problem?

You can build the grassroots by focusing on issues and tie them to candidates who support these issues.
hrc & Rahm Emmanuel aren't the only game in town.
WHO DO YOU SUPPORT? HELP THEM!

[helderheid]

33. will you for them:

www.pdamerica.org

[asthmaticeog]

10. What general media proclammation that Bush has won?

These are the headlines I've seen:

"A Bush Speech That Could Backfire"

"Bush's appalling Iraq speech.

"Bush speech unlikely to reassure nervous GOP"

"Is Bush selling success in Iraq or buying time?"

"You Call That the Center?"

:shrug:

100% agreed on your other points about congressional dems being horrid little fucking enablers and that we're being ignored, though.

[chimpymustgo]

12. GE Russert, who was actually critical of the speech pointed out that "the surge" worked

in that sense, as did other commentators. The bottom line is that Bush has bought more time, more money - and more death. But the Dems will tuck tail completely now - and Bush will continue the war he craves.

[rainy]

16. Somebody said it on KO last night after the speech. It might have been

pat buchanon. Someone said Bush won because he puts the Dems. in a hard place,not because he has actually done good in Iraq.

[leftchick]

27. I heard that too

they said politically the democrats can not stop the funding because it would hurt them at the voting booth. Nice to know how much our soldiers and innocent Iraqis mean to them.

[bdamomma]

18. I feel alot better seeing those headlines.

thanks.

[Bragi]

14. My personal back-up plan...

I bought property and a nice cabin in a very remote area. Still on the grid, but easily adapted should things move towards their logical conclusion.

And what is the logical conclusion?

I think it's this: sometime in the not too distant future, another terrorist attack will succeed inside America, and the few remaining shreds of common sense and civility required for even minimal social cohesion will disintegrate.

As for me becoming a "weirdo survivalist", frankly, no-one is more surprised by this than me.

- B

[gateley]

60. You know, it's hard for people (me included) to imagine it coming to that,

but you may be on the right track. It's something we shouldn't discount.

[catmandu57]

17. Blood and steel

That's what it is coming down to, it's very clear to see. There will be no change unless it's forced, we can keep on wearing out our fingers writing or we can get off our asses and make the sacrifice, the tree of liberty needs a long over due watering.

[MissDeeds]

22. withhold money

Every time I get a request for a financial contribution, I write "As long as impeachment is off the table, my financial support is off the table" and send it back. As a life long Democrat, it hurts to do that, but the letters, emails, signed petitions, and phone calls have proven useless. Last election I voted for candidates who I believed would 1)demand an end to the war and 2)apply pressure to either impeach or severely curtail this despotic administration. It's been quite a disappointment. Maybe money - or the lack thereof - will get their attention.

[Benhurst]

24. I'm at a loss for an answer. I hope someone can come up with a course of action. Recommended #4

:kick:

[spanone]

26. not only that 'bu$h* has won' but that fucking 'iraq is a success' goddddaaaammmit

[bdamomma]

31. he did not "win" shit, this is a word the media is just putting out

more propaganda.

[Richardo]

28. Type! Type like the wind!

:-|

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

56. To be free again.

[ShortnFiery]

29. Simple, fight like hell or reach down between our legs to kiss our a**es goodbye.

I choose the former. :blush:

Please don't give up because God hates a quitter? ;) <tongue-in-cheek>

[Snarkturian Clone]

34. The "I" word. Not impeachment. The other one. NT

[Freddie Stubbs]

40. iPhone?

:shrug:

[ananda]

35. Well, this We is going to the rally tomorrow!

nt

[EnviroBat]

36. I'm getting a little fed up with..

cocksuckers like Hannity and Rush calling me a treasonist, an "enabler", a "defeatist". Why don't you maggots face some of us in public, you fear mongering, propagandisit fucks? Huh? I'll be waiting.

[OneBlueSky]

38. drop back ten and punt? . . . n/t

.

[Lone_Wolf]

39. Be a citizen first and a Democrat second...

The longer this war goes on, the more I am convinced that the two-party system is just a way for the Elites to keep us in check. We fight each other. If you honestly look at it, many things we are fighting against: NAFTA, increased globalization, this war, increased government spying, etc. were done by or with the help of our Democratic leaders.

Outside of Kucinich or Gravel, none of the other candidates have said or done anything that would lead me to believe they won't be business as usual. They are all corporate whores or wannabe whores.

[tomg]

41. Maybe its time for demonstrations that

focus solely on impeachment. I have been going to anti-war demonstrations for forty one years. Without a draft all of the anti-war demonstrations are going to come up short. Oh, and I and my family are going to Washington tomorrow, so I hope I am not being defeatist in that regard. At the least, I come back feeling a little cleaner.

But demonstrations nationally that focus on one thing and one thing only - Impeachment Now - might convince the only ones capable of stopping this psychotic - that would be our congress critters - that it is time to stop the psychotic. The way to help the environment - Impeachment. The best way to start getting national health care - Impeachment. The only way to end the war - Impeachment.

I say we have a National Impeachment Day.

[John Q. Citizen]

42. I just called My 2 Sens., my Rep, and Pelosi, Ried, and Hoyer and said

No more money for the insanity. Doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different outcome is insane!

I asked the Senators to introduce the Senate version of HR1234, Kucinich's bill to get the US out of Iraq and get UN peace keeping forces in,

And I asked the House Reps to co-sponcer HR1234.

Keep calling your Reps and Sens, Dem or Repo and say No More Money for insanity.

And be proactive. Sign onto or introduce HR1234 in the Senate.

[mdmc]

43. why don't we STAY OUT OF IRAN?

It seems like the least we can do.

[GeorgeGist]

45. Ridicule them ...

then ignore them, then we win.

[Javaman]

47. Punt! nt

[harun]

48. Post on DU, write representatives and/or call them

Out Senators and Rep's (on both sides) who support the lies. This way people know who to send money to and who not to send money to. It is actually very hard for most people to even identify who these people are, we can help with that.

If all else fails:
Revolucion en los Estados Undidos

:headbang:

[leftofthedial]

50. TO THE BARRICADES!!!

[wiggs]

54. Planning and investing for this goes back decades. It is not going to change soon.

However, the harder we work and the more honest info that gets discussed, means that the hole we're in is a little less deep.

Chances for a turnaround real soon lay with some unforeseen event: 1) a serious, credible whistleblower (Powell-level, who turns in not just WH officials but the corporatist backers), 2) a charismatic, universally electable political savior that will clean house (don't know who that might be), or 3) a fired up invulnerable special prosecutor who goes after anything that moves (not likely to get appointed, not likely to overcome entrenched power). In short...not much chance.

Any dem in the WH would be an improvement over what we have now...but real structural change will not accompany just any dem in the WH.

[snot]

55. What if EVERYONE stopped paying taxes. nt

[blues90]

57. Well we seemed to think that voting in dems was the answer

Althought we did not win big even when the dems were the minority they sat back and did nothing but enable this admin.

We also had the worlds support after 9/11 and blew that . We also protested numberous times with no change .

I wrote and many wrote out reps . I have reached the point where this seems insane , These reps know damn well what the majority of the people want and if they don't then what the hell are they doing in the senate and house .

So write all you want , but think about how you would react if you were in the house or senate , what would be your motive for ignoring the people , I can only conclude it's money or political stance or fear of some sort . Or the reps are all the same game players with corp money doing their talking for them .

Impeachment is the only way or the troops deciding not to fight anymore .

I have had enough living through vietnam and all the murders of great people and to see this again being even worse is just to much for me .

I have no answers , general strike , good luck , it would have to last months not a day . This entire thing is one sick perverted joke and it seems most of the american population are just fools going along until they get hit hard .

[Kablooie]

58. Our next move is the same as it's always been.

We sit here, bitch, and wait hoping that the next election will fix things.

No one, including me, has the fortitude to really do anything anymore.

[Solar_Power]

59. not much we can do

if elected Ds don't vote as promised, what can we do? Nothing

[Senator]

61. A Primary Challenge To Nattering Nabob Nancy

She's the current "Poster Gal" for beltway-blinded business as usual -- the prime candidate for "Lamonting."

I'm suggesting that Matt Gonzales can take her seat for the democratic wing of the Democratic Party if someone in the district can talk him into it.

===

[passy]

62. The main problem with any action is:

that it will not be reported or it will be misreported by the MSM. Therefore no one will know about your actions or they will think that you are rabid communist traitors.
If we are to look at the coverage that the anti war demonstrations before the war got then we quickly realize that the MSM can shape the perception of it, look for exapmles of misreporting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/February_15,_2003_anti-war_protest">here.
It's rather like if a protest is not on the MSM does it really happen?
This can be solved in one simple way. The point is to get people to be aware and see the light. This can be done on a very local level.
DU is an army of more than 100 000 people living all over the country; this army should be out on the streets of their cities, towns and villages screaming for impeachment, for an end to the war and restoration of the constitution. These are simple enough issues to understand.
We can all make a difference, getting people to trust each others more than the television shouldn't be difficult.
We are a very motivated army with a huge amount of information at our disposal and we should be out on the streets and in people's homes spreading the message of a free, decent and proud America.
In the old days protest marches would help to get public attention to certain issues. That is no longer possible as the media will not inform the public of the scope or message of these marches.
So proud soldiers of truth go out and inform and convince, you will quickly realize that you are not alone, we all hate what has been done to our nation in our name.
No more closet liberalism, let's all come out of the closet and be proud that we are indeed being the patriotic ones.

[JimboDem]

63. We Move On

dot org

Fight them with all you have.