ANOTHER $50,000,000,000.00 for this war? HELL NO!!!

[rateyes]

Not.another.dime.

If we have 50 billion dollars to spend on this war, then we have 50 billion to spend on:

Health care
Head Start
Public Education
Cleaning up the environment
Alternative Energy initiatives
Infrastructure
College grants and loans.
Social Security
Prescription Drugs

Yet, EVERY TIME the asshole in the oval office asks for another supplemental to fund the war in Iraq, he gets it. Every.time.

And, it's all done in the name of SUPPORTING THE TROOPS!

Supporting the troops, my rosy red ass!

How is enabling Bush to keep our troops caught in the middle of a damned civil war---a war that the "ass-kissing, little chickenshit" Gen. Betrayus cannot bring himself to say makes us safer---supporting the troops?

At this point, we have supported 27,000+ troops to become permanently disabled. We have supported over 3700 troops to their graves. For what? For what? For George Bush's and PNAC's wet dream of making trillions with war-profiteering schemes. Gotta give Dubya some credit here: He learned the lessons of his treasonous grandfather, Prescott, very well!!

A vote for this $50,000,000,000.00 war supplemental...which will ensure that the troops remain caught in the crossfire in Iraq well into 2009...is NOT A VOTE FOR SUPPORTING THE TROOPS.

It's a vote AGAINST the troops.
It's a vote against our grandparents.
It's a vote against our parents.
It's a vote against our children.
It's a vote against healthcare.
It's a vote against clean air and clean water.
It's a vote against education.
It's a vote against students.
It's a vote against safe roads.
It's a vote against safe schools.
It's a vote against social security.

That's exactly what the Republicans want. If they can keep sending money to "fund the war" (which translated means: fund the war whore corporations)...all in the name of "supporting the troops," then that means having to "sacrifice" all the things Republicans are against.

To hell with the notion that we have to vote for this funding bill, because we can't be seen as "not supporting the troops." Funding this war is not supporting the troops. The only way to really support the troops is to bring them home.

How many more wounded? How many more dead? How many more innocent children have to die, for the bogus notion that we are "supporting the troops?"

$50,000,000,000.00 more for this war?

Not only no, but HELL NO!

[Squatch]

1. $50B is really not that much money.

[rateyes]

3. Yeah, a billion here, a billion there...

pretty soon we're talking real money!

[Dinger]

30. Yeah. What's $50 Billion Anyway?

:sarcasm:

[rateyes]

32. More than we have....

we'll have to borrow that from the Chinese. :hi:

[Dinger]

33. That's For Damn Sure

Hope the Chinese will still let us borrow from them. They own most of ou debt now, don't they?:hi:

[acmavm]

23. To who? The hungry? The homeless? The uninsured? The

mentally ill? The elderly? You?

[rateyes]

28. All of them. That is...

it's a lot of money to all of them. Not to the war whores, though.

[rateyes]

34. Isn't that what Boehner said?

"Small price to pay." Yep. That's what he said about the dead and wounded troops.

[donkeyotay]

39. He meant they're just another comma. 50,000,000,000 in the bottom line. nt

[rateyes]

40. ,

[Zodiak]

38. 50 billion happens to be the entire federal budget

spent on higher education every year. That is not chump change.

[NotGivingUp]

2. Hell FUCKING no!!! Stop the war NOW!!! Get rid of the corporatocracy!!! n/t

[rateyes]

19. Yeah, I probably should have used

the F bomb a couple of times!! :hi:

[againes654]

4. K&R

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1807295&mesg_id=1807295

[rateyes]

9. I just returned the K & R on your thread.

:hi:

[againes654]

12. Thank you so much

It just keeps falling and falling

[rateyes]

13. I kicked it again...

and welcome to DU. :hi:

[Maggie_May]

5. If you vote no it is a vote for our troops

Thats what the Dems have to express. If we bring them home they will have a life.

[rateyes]

6. That's right. nt

[OneBlueSky]

7. how much of that $50 billion is earmarked for contractors, not the troops? . . . n/t

.

[againes654]

8. Very good question

[Squatch]

10. Funds aren't "earmarked" for contractors.

Funds are authorized and appropriated for DoD Programs, not contractors.

[rateyes]

15. Regardless,

it ends up in their pockets, anyway.

[rateyes]

11. A lot more than not.

good question.

[Zodiak]

36. Here is an intresting quote to help you figure out how much is going to contractors

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dina-rasor/truman-in-a-skirt-iraq-_b_53399.html

"KBR, the biggest contractor supplying the troops, saw their LOGCAP III contract, the one used for this war, grow from around $60 million before the war to a total contract of around $26 billion. And this number is just a rough estimate because the accounting for this contract ( and others) is so chaotic. With the contractor contracts surging with the most recent troop surge, it is past time to get control of these costs. With this level of spending our troops should have everything that they need. But as I outlined in my book, Betraying Our Troops: The Destructive Results of Privatizing War, the contractors have made life nice for troops at the large bases but the troops who are outside the safe perimeters have trouble getting even the basics of support, including decent food and water. The contractor billings are also threatening the money for basic fighting equipment such as night vision goggles and up armored vehicles."

Sorry, I don't buy Squatch's official "the military only spends money on DOD programs" as sufficient explanation that our money is being spent wisely or efficiently. Too many "DOD programs" are run by contractors at a cost-plus rate and leave our troops in the lurch.

[SunDrop23]

14. I agree with you, but you watch...they will give him every penny he asks for.

[rateyes]

17. Yep. They'll cave

like a Utah coal mine. Crumble like a Minnesota bridge.

[DaveJ]

16. It's just a meaningless number to them

They believe that their agenda to control the ME is so important that it transcends accounting. As long as they can do it, they don't care how. People think that after we are in a post-oil era apocalypse, it won't matter if we have a few extra schools and hospitals anyway.

[rateyes]

18. I hear you...

the government is being run by a bunch of religious zealots who aren't in touch with reality.

[againes654]

25. Or the religion

they say they believe in. Bushco goes aginst almost everything in the Bible.

[rateyes]

20. BTW, I've got a brother

djohnson. But, he's not in Chicago.

[DaveJ]

21. That's actually not my original last name

I decided to be different and changed it to my wife's last name.

[rateyes]

29. My mom's mom was a Johnson, who married a Hood...

My mom was a Hood, who married a Johnson.

Probably explains a lot! :)

[Heidi]

22. And off you go to Greatest.

:kick:

[Canuckistanian]

24. K&R

[Vinca]

26. If we had the war money back, every person in America could

have the best healthcare on the planet paid for. But we only have money for war, not people.

[rateyes]

27. True, that, Vinca. nt

[Dinger]

31. K & R!

Absolutely, positively YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bdamomma]

35. stop giving this sickening man blank checks, stop it.

[TheUniverse]

37. 50,000,000,000.00 / about 200,000,000 taxpapyers

= about 250 dollars per tax payer. And who knows how much money we have already. Imagine how many people we could have said if that money went to healthcare.

[RiverStone]

41. Can we expect the DEM tally to look different then last May's....

CAVE IN?

I sure as hell hope so!


---DO THE WORK OF THE PEOPLE THAT ELECTED YOU---

[rateyes]

42. I don't expect it...

I'm not falling for it again.

[Golden Raisin]

43. I think it is the deliberate policy

of this administration to literally bankrupt this nation.