Grover Norquist and the defunding of government

[nadinbrzezinski]

and PNAC... yes it is connected

I was thinking about this today, all day... happy thoughts I know, and I also realize that many like to think that bush is a puppet and an idiot. Well... not quite. In fact, he has been insanely successful.

Wait, did you say succesfull?

Yes

The goal of PNAC was to establish a base in the middle east. CHECK

The goal of the reactionary right wing, including good ol' grover was to destroy the new deal. We are almost there.

Bear with me.

Lets assume boys and girls that we do attack Iran (and only an idiot not knowing these boys will say, but they won't and we don't have troops... that will not stop them). So lets assume the worst happens and we effectively loose three carriers and have our army trapped over there... oh and did I metnion oil will go to oh 300 a barrell? Wrap your heads around a failed economy, a depresion and no army... these guys are going straight down Jackson's route and have destroyed the army.

Now for a second try to put your heads inside Bush's thinking pattern... or for that matter Grover's... care to tell me how fast will Social Security, Labor Laws and other aspects of the New Deal will go away? By the by, executive order is a wonderful thing, in their view.

So when you start looking at this... they have been insanely successful

Now they are not too good at predicting the reaction of the people. Here are my predictions

Short of revolution the American Empire will collapse... there is no way around that one.

The country may split among cultural lines. You want an idea of what the map may look like, old Shadowrun books had maps, and they are pretty accurate... as they follow those lines

The loss of that many troops may finally put people in the streets, in the millions... this is where your hot revolution may come in, or civil war.. depending on your flavor

The US will pull out of international organizations and the traditional isolationist streak will come back if the country survives intact. If it does not, some of the successor states will pull out.

Oh and other countries are aware of this. Why do you all think the Russians have resumed projection of force? And the Chinese, we attack Iran... I can almost smell the rubber as they pull out of our securities.

Oh and I need to add this. We will see a draft... no way around that one.

So folks, no Bush is not dumb... and he (and the group of right wing fanatics that he represents) have been insanely succesful

As always, cui bono, who benefits?

[Mnemosyne]

1. Nadin, couldn't agree more. I've been saying it for years.

Not so sure about a draft, kids around here have been joining at what seems an alarming rate due to no work, no money for education.

* said not to, "misunderestimate' him. Sometimes he does tell the truth.

Arrggggh!!

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. The draft will be needed to actually defend the country

Oh and I mean the CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES


he has put us in that situation

Just like Jackson, he detroyed the central bank, which threw the country into a depresion and the army didn't have money for bullets

As to the economic draft, yep in full swing

[Mnemosyne]

8. I hear you. My heart breaks more

every day seeing where we are headed.

We just lost a vet from Iraq in a horrible high speed crash. He was 24 years old and had a terrible demon in his head. It happened in front of his wife and 2 small children. He couldn't drink enough to block out his own hell. And the military has basically abandoned his family. :evilfrown:

He won't be included in the death count, but he should be. Iraq duty killed this kid. And he joined because of the economy here. :grr:

I guess soon we will ALL be "insurgents" here. Isn't that what defenders of their country are called now? :nuke:

I have actually decided to get a shotgun. Never had one in my home before, ever, and it pisses me off that it has to come down to such a decision.

[Ilsa]

9. I need a new gu as well. but I have an

autistic son and a younger son. It is hard to hide stuff like guns in this house, but I might go for getting a gun safe to go with it. I know alot of Democrats that have been minimally arming themselves.

[Mnemosyne]

10. A gun safe or at least a gun lock. What a damned shame

that we have come to this.

Stay safe, Ilsa. :hug:

[nadinbrzezinski]

16. First decide on what gun you want

for home defense, shotguns are the best

Now here comes the rest of the story...

LEARN how to use it... yes go to the local range and shoot a couple boxes

Learn how to clean it... should go without saying, but somehow many gun owners forget they need to clean them... you don't, with the gunk they will fail.

Getting it into a safe, or a gun lock is SOP anyway.

Oh and teach the kids that these are not toys... I don't care how many developmental problems they have. You will have to drive the point home. These guns ARE NOT toys.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. kick

[KT2000]

4. Privatization of government

is another successful venture on their part. Cash flowing to the supproters - practically no oversight. The work is not really done but the supporters are podeting the tax money that should have gone for care of our citizens.

The government's ability to respond to disasters, other than mitilarily, is also broken. The last edict to not allow volunteers in disaster areas was the clincher. Contractors only because they did so well with Katrina. There they were trying not to let anyone in who was not a contractor. it was only the shame shown around the world that forced them to send in the National Guard.

Yes - this all makes sense and has gone according to plan for these people. Who benefits? the select few.

[liberaldemocrat7]

5. and that's why you have to boycott the select few if they make consumer products.

Otherwise you have continued handwringing like in the original post with nothing done about it.

[KT2000]

6. Not much of a problem

my clothes and most household items come from second hand stores and my groceries come from farmers markets and a family owned grocery store. Like everyone else I get gas but have reduced my miles driven per year to about 4,000 which is good considering I live in the country, far from everything. I do not shop for entertainment or find joy in materialism.
I do try to be conscientious about such things.

Really don't understand the purpose of your post. If we are going to put this country back together we have to have a pretty good understanding of where it is broken and who will fight tooth and nail to keep the new status quo. These people have been so successful at breaking the very structure of our government - intentionally. We have to be realistic about the work ahead of us and make sure those things are repaired structurally, not cosmetically.

[Horse with no Name]

7. Astute observations.

The country is held together with spit and toilet paper.
We are one good storm away from it all falling apart.

[Toots]

11. United we stand and divided we fall and the Republicans are doing their very best to divide us.

Every issue they persue is a divisive issue (a wedge issue) so to speak. They excell at hate radio , at hate journalism eg. Coulter and Malkin. IMO they are out and out traitors to the American ideal. If this is allowed to continue I would venture to say America has seen it's best days..

[johnfunk]

12. Grover's influence is shrinking so rapidly...

... you could drown it in a bathtub!

[warren pease]

13. Actually, I'd prefer drowning Grover himself in that bathtub...

...if he could manage to squeeze his repulsive lard ass into it.

wp

[nadinbrzezinski]

14. It has????

Among those who make the decisions in the halls of power, it hasn't

His ideas are alive and well where it counts, and it is not you or me

[Avalux]

15. I posted something similar a couple of days ago:

Ruling class vs. the common people

For a brief shining moment in the history of this country, we had a president who gave the common people some power through his policies. Since then, the powerful have toiled to take away that power; seems their efforts are finally paying off. The corporations are winning.

It's all about money and power - the American people's lives are a commodity. War is the means to an end for them. Unless we get our shit together and come together to fight them, we lose. I don't see that happening anytime soon.

[nadinbrzezinski]

17. It will happen, suddenly, and without warning

especially to those in the corridors of power not paying attention

And when it does, just as the collapse of the American Empire, it will be sudden...and won't be pretty.

Personally, with the building of pressure I am seeing images in my head of the French Revolution, not the American War of Independence.

And we were close in 1932... that is why FDR went the way he did, saving ironically, the system.

[Kansas Wyatt]

18. "destroy the new deal"

Actually, they have perverted and reversed the 'New Deal' into being a regressive deal, that funnels money from the American people into the hands of Corporate America and a wealthy few.

[alfredo]

19. Compassionate conservatives, war, poverty, and government

unresponsive to all but the idle rich.