Kerry and McCain on MTP now

[rodeodance]

[rodeodance]

1. Kerry: Bush said we will say--we have no leverage.

[rodeodance]

3. Kerry: WHERE IS CONDI RICE?---why do we have no sustained Diplomacy in Iraq?

[Coexist]

39. nice!!

[A wise Man]

41. CONDI 'S WITH HER GIRL FRIEND

CONDI HAS A GIRL FRIEND, CONDI HAS A GIRL FRIEND.

[LeftCoast]

63. What do you have against lesbians?

And don't give me that "It's the hypocrisy" bullshit...

[jazzjunkysue]

2. Topic? Info, please!

[rodeodance]

4. McCain up now---talking about Al-quida in Iraq-over and over.

[rodeodance]

5. ha ha---Kerry saying McCain says alquida is central front cause alqida says they

ARE the central front in Iraq.

te he.

[rodeodance]

6. Kerry: "WE ARE the attraction for al-quida"

[rodeodance]

7. McCain NO match for Kerry. Kerry is walking all over McCain. and Mccain getting testy

[dtotire]

44. Kerry & McCain

You are right, Kerry was far superior to McCain. I think he is superior to any of the Democratic candidates and would make a better President. And McCain is far superior to Bush.

[karynnj]

55. Welcome to DU - I agree 100%

Kerry is astonishingly good in these debates. It is fun watching McCain lose his cool. McCain has learned to smile when angry, but he can't do it here. In 2005, when McCain was thought to be the most formidable candidate, people pointed out that McCain credited Kerry with calming him down in the POW/MIA hearings and kept him from losing it. Kerry knows where the buttons are - he also seems incredibly good at listening to what his opponent is saying - because he does not need to think out his own response.

I have yet to see Hillary in one of these settings. She is rarely on any of the talk shows and had weak opponents to debate in her races. The Democratic debates are not as sustained a debate - rather just multiple short answer questions.

[rodeodance]

8. IRAN LOVES it that we are bogged down in Iraq! says Kerry

[rodeodance]

9. 'We have gone back to Stay the Course" says Kerry

[rodeodance]

10. McCain talks of Petraeus a lot-----no mention of Bush

[rodeodance]

11. Kerry===Bush has promised 130.000 yet next summer-We are back to where we started.

[globalvillage]

12. Thanks.

I don't get MTP until 10:30. So JK's kicking McCain's ass?

[EST]

16. Kerry has found himself!

Kicking ass describes it pretty well.

[blm]

42. No one takes on Kerry face to face and wins. That's why they hire hit teams

and lie about him behind his back and use the corporate media to twist his words or positions.

No one has ever had a face to face debate with Kerry and won.

[BlueIris]

53. That is so true.

:-)

[rodeodance]

13. Kerry is reading some of the OP_Ed from the NYTimes OP-ED

[rodeodance]

14. Gen Jones says--need POLITICAL solution FIRST--the exact opposite of

what Petraeus/Bush and other says.

Example---in anbar-----it was a political solition First---The sunni made a decision to kick out al-quida----then they founght them (later with US help)

[rodeodance]

15. McCain says he hears from troops all the time-says they want to WIN>

[chelsea0011]

25. "troops want to win"? No shit McCain. Now ask them if they want to be there for the next 10 years.

[A wise Man]

40. Want to win "WHAT"?????

[rodeodance]

17. I loved Kerry:----saying McCain saying alquida is the central front in Iraq just because

they say so.


That exchange was great.

[rodeodance]

18. ha ha. Kerry just shakes his head at McCain blabber.

[rodeodance]

19. "now just listen to that" -the dems want failure"--says Kerry of McCain--"We have had 4 YEARS

of Failure"!!

oh that was great-

[rodeodance]

20. Kerry is making McCain look like an idiot.

[tekisui]

29. McCain just ignored Kerry's comments on diplomacy

and spewed riech-wing spin, "dems want failure.." Kerry mopped the floor with McCain.

Russert even got into a back and forth with ol' grumpy.

[malaise]

34. How hard is that ?

:D

[rodeodance]

21. and again-Kerry sits there Shaking his head in disbelief.

[rodeodance]

22. Kerry saying Patraeus said 2 YEARS ago that 120,000 troops would be ready!

[fedupinBushcountry]

23. McCain said it was Rumsfeld

who failed on training the troops. Kerry pointed out that Patreaus was in charge of training the Iraqi troops.

[rodeodance]

33. yes, he is distancing himself from Bush adm----clinging to Petraeus now.

[globalvillage]

24. Thanks for this thread

:yourock:

JK does, too. But I knew that.

:-)

[katmondoo]

26. I thought they were FRIENDS?

[globalvillage]

30. I'm pretty sure they are/were.

They worked on a number of things together in the past, and have had a lot in common.
JK's position on Iraq is the polar opposite of McCain's. I know Sen Kerry called McCain's position 'disingenuous' on Ed Schultz the other day, so it would appear the relationship is at least strained.
Of course, that's just my personal observation. I have no real knowledge of the status of their friendship.

[karynnj]

56. Were might be the operative word

McCain has done some pretty unforgivable things. But, Kerry is not attacking McCain - or using any personal attacks on him - McCain actually did against Kerry - but it didn't stick - saying Kerry voted for the 4 1/2 years of failure, ignoring that Kerry has been very visible as a critic since the beginning.

I do think though that Kerry knew where the buttons were and made sure to push them.

[spanone]

27. introduced Kerry as Senator and McCain as awarded war hero...fuck me

[BlueIris]

54. MSM stopped caring about how obvious its bias is a long time ago.

They are shameless.

[karynnj]

57. Strange isn't it?

Especially as Kerry is a war hero for risking his life to save someone and for having masterminded an aggressive,innovative alternative to simply being a sitting duck in the inevitable ambushes in the narrow canals. That shows heroism, galantry and brilliance.

McCain was a hero for having the moral strength to endure being a POW for years and helping others through it.

Kerry's is the more classic version of being a hero - if he were Republican - they would have loved running him for President.

[ginnyinWI]

60. actually, he introduced both of them as decorated VN vets

see the transcript: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20806501

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

28. Thanks for the preview! I'll be watching in about a half hour! eom

[spanone]

31. mr. mccain has lost his fucking mind....he loves war..can't stop qouting the generals

[BootinUp]

32. This is a pretty testy debate between "good friends"

:)

[spanone]

35. mr. mccain has developed the bu$h* smirk. wish kerry would smack it off his face.

[blm]

36. McCain's self-serving embrace of Bush in hopes of gaining his campaign team

for his 2008 run put the kabosh on that friendship.

How can you trust a man like McCain after that? A man who puts his own interest ahead of the best interest of the country he's pledged to serve?

[spanone]

37. mccain has zero credibility....go hug junior, john

[spanone]

38. Kerry has last words....NO diplomacy...

[Nimrod2005]

43. McCain needs to be out of politics all together - Defeat and remove this mother fucker!!!

NOW.......

[wisteria]

45. Senator Kerry supplied the intelligent points, McCain contributed the spin.

What a jerk McCain is. spinning the nonsense that the surge is working over and over again, then throwing in a cheap shot directed at Kerry. McCain was nothing more than a Right Wing lying spin machine today.

[ginnyinWI]

47. I think most people watching saw it, too.

He's nothing more than an echo of Bush rhetoric, stubbornly sticking to conservative unreality. What is pathetic is that he's probably not lying--this is actually how he sees the situation--more's the pity!

Notice how physically small he looked next to Kerry? I'll bet his campaign people had a fit when they noticed that!

[blm]

50. nah - I'm pretty sure McCain knows he's lying, but HAS to do this for

his own primary race. He's in so deep with Bush policy, he has no choice.

[OzarkDem]

52. They went mano a mano

I loved when Kerry interrupted McCain's bs spin. He didn't let him retreat into his lame arguments about how the troops tell him they want to win.

[tbyg52]

46. I normally have no function but to drink coffee

before noon on Sundays, but this had me bouncing up and down and shouting. Kerry kicked his ***! On MTP!! *Please*, let some people be listening!!!

[blm]

48. Perefctly illustrated and explained the differences in positions -

Kerry had McCain sputtering and reduced to cheap scoffing and coughing to mute Kerry's cogent and forceful arguments.

[blm]

49. Thanks for the play by play. I read it before I watched and it helped

alot. Though I was very surprised Russert DID let the two just go at it, it was a good surprise from the corpmedia for a change.

[jillan]

59. I agree - that was really nice to watch the two of them together

and watch Kerry take apart all of McCain's comments one by one!

[ginnyinWI]

64. well msnbc is drifting to the left, so I suppose nbc is, too--

at least on the issue of Iraq. They know what the polls all say.

[BlueIris]

51. Saith a great American--that was the ass-whupping of the century. A public depantsing, if you will.

And oooooh, I couldn't hate John McCain more right now if I tried. What a disturbed little weasel.

[blm]

61. Yep - he was VISIBLY on edge - it was SO obvious he was out of his league

having to debate Kerry on Iraq.

[senseandsensibility]

58. I am not near a TV today

I hope someone links to the video.

[blm]

62. Someone from KerryVision will post at some point.

I hope they post it in GD - this was a powerful debate and every Dem should be using Kerry's talking points on this if they really want to effect change in the policy. It needs to be consistently sold.