Anthrax Coverup: A Government Insider Speaks Out

[JohnyCanuck]

Hmm, just where did that Anthrax come from?

Anthrax Coverup: A Government Insider Speaks Out

By Steve Watson

Francis A. Boyle, an international law expert who worked under the first Bush Administration as a bioweapons advisor in the 1980s, has said that he is convinced the October 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people were perpetrated and covered up by criminal elements of the U.S. government. The motive: to foment a police state by killing off and intimidating opposition to post-9/11 legislation such as the USA PATRIOT Act and the later Military Commissions Act.


SNIP

"At the time I myself did not know precisely what was going on, either with respect to September 11 or the anthrax attacks, but then the New York Times revealed the technology behind the letter to Senator Daschle. (The anthrax used was) a trillion spores per gram, (refined with) special electro-static treatment. This is superweapons-grade anthrax that even the United States government, in its openly proclaimed programs, had never developed before. So it was obvious tome that this was from a U.S. government lab. There is nowhere else you could have gotten that."

Boyle's assessment was based on his years of expertise regarding America's bioweapons programs. He was responsible for drafting THE Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989 that was passed unanimously by both houses of Congress and signed into law by President George H.W. Bush.

After realizing that the anthrax attacks looked like a domestic job, Boyle called a high-level official in the FBI who deals with terrorism and counterterrorism, Marion "Spike" Bowman. Boyle and Bowman had met at a terrorism conference at the University of Michigan Law School. Boyle told Bowman that the only people who would have the capability to carry out the attacks were individuals working on U.S. government anthrax programs with access to a high-level biosafety lab. Boyle gave Bowman a full list of names of scientists, contractors and labs conducting anthrax work for the U.S. government and military.

SNIP

The alleged destruction of the anthrax culture collection at Ames, Iowa, from which the Fort Detrick lab got its pathogens, was blatant destruction of evidence. It meant that there was no way of finding out which strain was sent to whom to develop the larger breed of anthrax used in the attacks. The trail of genetic evidence would have led directly back to a secret government biowarfare program.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/24273

[FormerDittoHead]

1. I only hope to live long enough to see the truth break to the "Mainstream" media... n/t

[Seabiscuit]

33. Sadly, I doubt those of us who have reached retirement age will ever see that happen.

[Julius Civitatus]

55. Let's not forget the mysterious DEATHS of SCIENTISTS right after 9/11

Let's not forget the huge numbers of scientist (mostly microbiologists, and bioweapons researchers) that disappeared or died in very mysterious circumstances right after 9/11. I mean, every other day you would see in the newspapers an article about another killed microbiologist:

Microbiologists are dropping like flies.

In the five-week period from November 16, 2001 through December 23, 2001, five world-class microbiologists in different parts of the world were reported dead. Four undoubtedly died of "unnatural" causes, while the fifth death is quite questionable.

In the ten weeks prior to December 12, 2001, two additional microbiologists were killed, and possibly another five. The period also saw the deaths of three Israelis holding high-level positions in either medical research or public health.

On November 16, 2001, Dr. Don C. Wiley, 57, vanished, and his abandoned rental car was found on the Hernando de Soto Bridge outside Memphis, TN.

On December 10, 2001, Dr. David Schwartz, 57, was found murdered in his rural home in Loudon County, Virginia.

On December 12, 2001, Dr. Benito Que was found comatose in the street near the laboratory where he worked at the University of Miami Medical School.

On December 14, 2001, Set Van Nguyen was found dead in the airlock entrance to the walk-in refrigerator in the laboratory he worked at in Victoria State, Australia.

And on December 23, 2001, Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, was found dead in Wiltshire, England, a village near his home.

Before these deaths, on October 4, 2001, a commercial jetliner traveling from Israel to Novosibirsk, Siberia was shot down over the Black Sea by an "errant" Ukrainian surface-to-air missile, killing all on board. The missile was over 100 miles off-course. Despite early news stories reporting it as a charter, the flight (Air Sibir 1812) was a regularly scheduled flight.

http://www.apfn.org/APFN/scientists.htm

Basically within two months after the unresolved anthrax attacks, there was an unusual killing spree of microbiologists, mostly in teh USA, a few in other countries.

[Julius Civitatus]

56. More info on the mysterious murders of top microbiology scientists

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/02_14_02_microbio.html

Over 40 microbiologists died in mysterious circumstances by 2004:

November 16, 2001: Dr. Don Wiley, 57, disappears during a business trip to Memphis, Tennessee. He had just bought tickets to take his son to Graceland the following day. Police found his rental car on a bridge outside Memphis. His body was later found in the Mississippi River. Wiley was one of the world's leading researchers of deadly viruses, including HIV and the Ebola virus. He was an expert on the immune system's response to viral attacks.

November 21, 2001: World-class microbiologist and high-profile Russian defector Dr. Vladimir Pasechnik, 64, dies of a stroke. Pasechnik, who defected to Britain in 1989, succeeded in producing an aerosolized plague microbe that could survive outside the laboratory. He was connected to Britain's spy agency and recently had started his own company. "In the last few weeks of his life he had put his research on anthrax at the disposal of the Government, in the light of the threat from bioterrorism.

February 28, 2002: Two dead microbiologists in San Francisco: While taking delivery of a pizza, Tanya Holzmayer, 46, is shot and killed by a colleague, Guyang Huang, 38, who then apparently shot himself. Holzmayer moved to the US from Russia in 1989. Her research focused on the part of the human molecular structure that could be affected best by medicine. Holzmayer was focusing on helping create new drugs that interfere with replication of the virus that causes AIDS. One year earlier, Holzmayer obeyed senior management orders to fire Huang.

March 24, 2002: Dead microbiologist: David Wynn-Williams, 55, is hit by a car while jogging near his home in Cambridge, England. He was an astrobiologist with the Antarctic Astrobiology Project and the NASA Ames Research Center. He was studying the capability of microbes to adapt to environmental extremes, including the bombardment of ultraviolet rays and global warming.

March 25, 2002: Dead microbiologist: Steven Mostow, 63, dies when the airplane he was piloting crashes near Denver, Colorado. He worked at the Colorado Health Sciences Centre and was known as "Dr. Flu" for his expertise in treating influenza, and expertise on bioterrorism. Mostow was one of the country's leading infectious disease experts.

November 12 2002: Dr. Benito Que, 52, was "an expert in infectious diseases and cellular biology at the Miami Medical School. Police originally suspected that he had been beaten on in a carjacking in the medical school's parking lot. Strangely enough, though, his body showed no signs of a beating.

June 24, 2003: Dr. Leland Rickman, a UC San Diego expert on infectious diseases and, since Sept. 11, 2001 a consultant on bioterrorism. He was 47. Rickman died while on a teaching assignment in Lesotho, a small country bordered on all sides by South Africa. He had complained of a headache, but the cause of death was not immediately known. The physician had been working in Lesotho with Dr. Chris Mathews, director of the UC San Diego Medical Center's Owen Clinic, teaching African medical personnel about the prevention and treatment of AIDS.Rickman, the incoming president of the Infectious Disease Assn. of California, was a multidisciplinary professor and practitioner with expertise in infectious diseases, internal medicine, epidemiology, microbiology and antibiotic utilization

July 18, 2003: David Kelly, a British biological weapons expert, was said to have slashed his own wrists while walking near his home. Kelly was the Ministry of Defence's chief scientific officer and senior adviser to the proliferation and arms control secretariat, and to the Foreign Office's non-proliferation department. The senior adviser on biological weapons to the UN biological weapons inspections teams(Unscom) from 1994 to 1999, he was also, in the opinion of his peers, pre-eminent in his field, not only in this country, but in the world.

November 20, 2003: Scientist Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45 was killed by a hit and run driver that jumped the kerb and ploughed into him in the 1600 block of South Braeswood, Texas. He was studying the virus plaguing cruise ships.

April 2004: Mohammed Munim al-Izmerly, a distinguished Iraqi chemistry professor dies in American custody from a sudden hit to the back of his head caused by blunt trauma. It was uncertain exactly how he died, but someone had hit him from behind, possibly with a bar or a pistol. His battered corpse turned up at Baghdad's morgue and the cause of death was initially recorded as "brainstem compression". It was discovered that US doctors had made a 20cm incision in his skull.

May 5, 2004: A Russian scientist at a former Soviet biological weapons laboratory in Siberia died after an accident with a needle laced with ebola. Scientists and officials said the accident had raised concerns about safety and secrecy at the State Research Center of Virology and Biotechnology, known as Vector, which in Soviet times specialized in turning deadly viruses into biological weapons. Vector has been a leading recipient of aid in an American programme.

May 14, 2004: Dr. Eugene F. Mallove, a Norwich Free Academy graduate, 56, died after being beaten to death during an alleged robbery. Mallove was well respected for his knowledge of cold fusion. He had just published an open letter outlining the results of and reasons for his last 15 years in the field of new energy research. Dr. Mallove was convinced it was only a matter of months before the world would actually see a free energy device.

June 22, 2004: Astronomer and physicist, Austrian born Thomas Gold famous over the years for a variety of bold theories that flout conventional wisdom died of heart failure. Golds theory of the deep hot biosphere holds important ramifications for the possibility of life on other planets, including seemingly inhospitable planets within our own solar system. He was Professor Emeritus of Astronomy at Cornell University and wass the founder (and for 20 years director) of Cornell Center for Radiophysics and Space Research. He was also involved in air accident investigation.

July 3, 2004: Dr Paul Norman, 52, of Salisbury, Wiltshire, was killed when the single-engine Cessna 206 he was piloting crashed in Devon. He was married with a 14-year-old son and a 20-year-old daughter, and was the chief scientist for chemical and biological defence at the Ministry of Defences laboratory at Porton Down, Wiltshire. The crash site was examined by officials from the Air Accidents Investigation Branch and the wreckage of the aircraft was removed from the site to the AAIB base at Farnborough.

July 21, 2004: Dr Bassem al-Mudares' mutilated body was found in the city of Samarra, Iraq*. He was a phD chemist and had been tortured before being killed.

July 29, 2004: 67-year-old John Mullen, a nuclear research scientist with McDonnell Douglas dies from a huge dose of poisonous arsenic. Police investigating will not say how Mullen was exposed to the arsenic or where it came from. At the time of his death he was doing contract work for Boeing.

August 12, 2004: Professor John Clark, head of the science lab which created Dolly the sheep, was found hanging in his holiday home. Prof Clark led the Roslin Institute in Midlothian, one of the worlds leading animal biotechnology research centres. He played a crucial role in creating the transgenic sheep that earned the institute worldwide fame. Prof Clark also founded three spin-out firms from Roslin - PPL Therapeutics, Rosgen and Roslin BioMed.

September 5, 2004: Mohammed Toki Hussein al-Talakani Iraqi nuclear scientist* was shot dead in Mahmudiya, south of Baghdad. He was a practising nuclear physicist since 1984.

December 21, 2004: Taleb Ibrahim al-Daher Iraqi nuclear scientist was shot dead north of Baghdad by unknown gunmen. He was on his way to work at Diyala University when armed men opened fire on his car as it was crossing a bridge in Baqouba, 57 km northeast of Baghdad. The vehicle swerved off the bridge and fell into the Khrisan river. Al-Daher, who was a professor at the local university, was removed from the submerged car and rushed to Baqouba hospital where he was pronounced dead.

January 7, 2005: Korean Jeong H. Im, retired research assistant professor at the University of Missouri - Columbia and primarily a protein chemist, died of multiple stab wounds to the chest before firefighters found in his body in the trunk of a burning car on the third level of the Maryland Avenue Garage. MUPD with the assistance of the Columbia Police Department and Columbia Fire Department are conducting a death investigation of the incident. A person of interest described as a male 6 62 wearing some type of mask possible a painters mask or drywall type mask was seen in the area of the Maryland Avenue Garage.

http://www.rense.com/general62/microvv.htm

I don't consider Rense a very reliable source, but it's one of the few sites that kept a tally of the microbiologists that were suspiciously murdered in the months that followed 9/11.

[Tab]

78. This is why I didn't go into microbiology

But it sure is an unusual compilation.

[ptolle]

87. hatfill

I know he's not dead, but I was wondering if you'd include the assassination of his reputation and subsequent loss of profession and status of Dr. Stephen Hatfill?

[peacetalksforall]

91. And let's not forget the subsequent Avian Flu terrorizing with Rumsfeld

making money on the only antibiotic?

[bjobotts]

66. You already know...you just don't want to accept it..like finding out

it was your son that killed your wife or something like that. Even if you knew you would still want someone to prove it to you.
A documentary called "Zeitgeist" is divided into 3 parts and the second part proves without a doubt that 9/11 was an inside job.

Your sub-conscious mind will tell you if you just sit and watch Bush's response when he was told that a plane crashed into the WTC...No one reacts that way unless they already knew.

The second way your sub-conscious will tell you is to sit and watch the news clips of Bush avoiding answering questions of why he and Cheney must testify "together" before the 9/11 commission (included in the "Zeitgeist" documentary). It is truly amazing to watch. Bush goes out of his way to not answer and begins to shake when the question keeps coming up. When you see it, you will just "know". The details and particulars might bring some closure but I doubt it. The military controllers did 9/11. Anthrax was delivered to the only two people in congress who were planning to stop the Patriot Act and to prove to the media it was deadly to question them.
They did the same thing in Britain with the 7/7 attacks (also in the documentary) Put together you will know and have the prove to confirm what you already know. Like me, you just want everyone else to 'know' too. But you already know,...don't you?

[bemildred]

2. It's funny how nobody, not even Congress, is interested in this attack on Congress.

It gives you a much clearer view of the state of governance in this country when you consider how that can be so.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. All it would take to silence Congress is a little phone call telling them that the Anthrax

could just as easily show up in their child's lunch box or on their child's bike, their wife's purse or somewhere in their home. To go along with that...if you go public with this threat, your entire family WILL BE KILLED.

[Toots]

7. I would change the wording from "would take" to took

Then I would agree completely with you...

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. You're right. I don't doubt that is what happened.

:hi:

[FredStembottom]

27. Actually, no calls needed, in my opinion.

Just leave the case "unsolved" but with the critical piece of info outstanding that the anthrax was "weaponized" and......the effect is complete.

Each individual congress-person thinks privately "that means the anthrax probably came from our own government". And being "unsolved" means A) You sound like a kook if you say, outloud that it "probably came from our own government" and B) the perpetrator of the original attacks is still at large ready to send more if you step-outta-line with, you know, probably, your congressional votes.

Each conress-person then quietly and privately puts themselves in jail - trying to match their votes to what they imagine is wanted by the perp. The perp. they can't even suspect out loud to their best friends lest it gets to the News Media and they become Kook of the Year.

Nothing so crass as threatening phone calls is needed. Each congress-person is trapped in a private, quiet little thought-loop that does all the work.

Leaving the case at this stage will produce the self-censoring Kook Loop. No matter who sent the original attack. And while I am not depressed enough yet to believe that people in high places in our government sent these attacks, I will bet they have noticed the effect it's had on our congress-people!

[defendandprotect]

70. Yes . . .. especially since it is still affecting their mail -- !!!

This thing shut down Congress right after 9/11 . . . .

just "coincidentally" . . ..

[Selatius]

86. Not the first time the government did nothing. Read up on the plot to overthrow FDR.

Congress did nothing, and FDR certainly did nothing when it came to light a bunch of bankers and industrialists wanted to overthrow the government and follow Hitler's lead. Nobody of any significance went to jail.

[terisan]

90. Leahy has asked FBI for report on status of investigation.

[klyon]

106. Yes, I believe that this is why no one will confront these criminals.

Who knows what they will resort to next.
Jamming planes so they fall out of the sky?

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. That's always been my belief too. Not only were DEMOCRATS, Daschle and Leahy

targets, but the case was just DROPPED. Poof! No one has ever been arrested for it. Now Boyle reports that Anthrax Culture has been BLATANTLY destroyed? BINGO....government criminal elements did it.

[PearliePoo2]

34. Were the Chimp's twins

featured in a less than flattering tabloid article and then that company's mail room employee died from Anthrax? I could do a Google search but I'm kind of lazy this Sunday.

I keep thinking about Nancy Pelosi's cryptic comment when asked about criminal behavior in this admin and she said "you don't even know the half of it".
Well, we sure as hell would like to know the other half of it! Maybe they are scared shitless to tell us.
It's hard not to link all this and connect the dots.

Is the big picture that Congress is being threatened with their lives if they don't vote or behave as expected?
It is almost too bizarre and frightening to believe.
If the Dems take it all in 2008 and clean the thugs out of all the agencies, maybe it will all come out.
I agree with post #1. I hope we all live long enough to see justice served to these murderous criminals.

[BornagainDUer]

37. Actually it was the photo editor of the National Enquirer named

Bob Stevens. He had published some pictures of one of the twins drunk cavorting on the floor with another woman. I think Stevens was the first to die from the anthax after 9/11.

[RainDog]

39. Yes, in Florida. n/t

[MetaTrope]

67. And after that

The contaminated Florida building was purchased by...Rudy Giuliani.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

69. Wonder if he got it at a discount?

(rhetorical)

[yardwork]

115. The federal government took control of the entire National Enquirer inventory

I have always believed that the anthrax attacks were conducted to stop the Enquirer and other media from publishing something about the Bush family. Something embarrassing - more embarrassing than the photos of the twins. Something that someone in the Bush crime family was willing to kill a lot of people to keep from being published.

The Bush administration has that material now. It's shrinkwrapped and held in some vault - supposedly so contaminated it can never see the light of day again.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

62. This says a lot. Sheep being herded by the evil wolves.

The criminal element in this regime is VERY active.

[defendandprotect]

71. Wow . . . never heard that before ---

[PearliePoo2]

89. thanks guys for the info

I got my Sunday lazy butt to Google after all and found out that they also did some articles about Jeb helping out his brother in the 2000 Florida election theft job.
Yeah, I guess all that bad press on the BFEE could make them target #1 for a hit.
It seems so obvious, but as far as investigations I hear crickets chirping. Scary indeed.
IMPEACH

[leftchick]

4. This is an incredible article...

<snip>

"Clearly, for the FBI to have authorized this was obstruction of
justice, a federal crime," said Boyle. "That collection should have
been preserved and protected as evidence. That's the DNA, the
fingerprints right there. It later came out, of course, that this was
Ames strain anthrax that was behind the Daschle and Leahy letters."

At that point, recounted Boyle, it became very clear to him that there
was a coverup underway. He later discovered, while reading David Ray
Griffin's book on the 9/11 attacks, The New Pearl Harbor, that Bowman
was the same FBI agent who allegedly sabotaged the FISA warrant for
access to Zacharias Moussaoui's computer
prior to 9/11. Moussaoui's computer contained information that could
have helped prevent the attacks on the World Trade Center and the
Pentagon.

[chimpymustgo]

15. Bowman and the FBI. Clearly a faction involved in the MIHOP.

If we can start to unravel this thing - 9/11, anthrax, voting machines - the whole house of cards will collapse. Unless we're under martial law.

[leftchick]

21. yes, unless

:(

[Cha]

41. And even if there's

such a thing as "martial law"..the fuckers can't hold us back forever..it just doesn't happen.

[EnricoFermi]

65. The anthrax attack is the string that will unravel the whole thing

To focus on the towers is not going to get you anywhere and you are easily classified as crazy and "in need of meds."

There are much larger holes with the anthrax attacks, particularly the second. Anyone doubting a major coverup originating from at the very least, conservative elements, is clearly defying logic. There is some media confusion and mix up between strains, but if you work through that, considering that journalists are often misled, you'll come out on top.

It is this issue that the "truthers" need to focus on. Their attempts at the towers look stupid, as do the poorly researched facts inside movies like loose change. Topple this anthrax thing and the whole conspiracy is no longer requiring a tin foil hat.

I've posted before about how obvious it was that the note to Dashle and Leahy was a forgery. Letters were copied from one to another, meticulously, but are shown to be direct copies of eachother, making it obvious that it was not free hand and copied from the first. This letter was therefore written by a different person or persons. Also, if you draw lines below the bottoms, it is quite apparent that letters were placed down, one at a time, rather than written out, unlike the first letter.

[defendandprotect]

72. And we may have moved now to "stealing nuclear weapons" . . . ????

And who knows if this recent incident was the first time, or not?

[ljm2002]

23. I remember at the time...

...when the news came out that those anthrax strains had been destroyed at the Ames laboratory. It was so friggin' obvious to me that it was destruction of evidence...

Glad someone with credentials to back it up is speaking out.

Oh for the day when the right person realizes what a clusterf*ck this all is, and casts aside their own misguidedness and blows the whistle on these elements, tearing aside the curtain and revealing them in all of their slimy sleaziness.

Really what we need is to catch some of their deals on tape. Otherwise the great unwashed (yes, that means you and me too) are susceptible to the constant re-framing that goes on.*

*Always remember, when these people read 1984, they read it as a how-to manual.

[defendandprotect]

74. Well, the Anthrax cover up and destruction of the "strains" to prevent ID . . ..

seems to have taken quite a bit of violence ---

Almost paralleling the immediate deaths after the coup on JFK --

So, it must be quite a bit of stuff they're trying to keep covered up --

Who's going to do it if Cheney/Bush actually leave office --

I think that's a question we should be thinking about --

How are they going to do it???

[PearliePoo2]

92. yes, what procedures are in place?

You know damn well that they have a plan. Rove made sure of that.
It may well be that his reptilian brain hatched the whole thing to begin with.
I don't believe this gang ever imagines doing time, so what preparations have they made?
They think they will never get caught, because bodies don't talk. :scared:

[defendandprotect]

96. What you're saying reminds me of the non-reaction when Nixon named his own VP and then ....

Ford became president!!! How convenient. How coincidental!!!

But the cover-ups have succeeded -- often at times with what looks like the help of the Democrats, sadly.

And, evidently, when Democratic presidents do take office, they are limited in what they can see!!!!

[The Backlash Cometh]

53. Where's Bowman now?

[niceypoo]

5. I have always believed that it was ordered from within the whitehouse

The victims were all people speaking out against, or questioning, the patriot act and the anthrax came from US government stockpiles. It is obvious to me.

[annabanana]

8. THIS is the mystery I want solved....

These are the questions that I want publicly explored, the investigations I want Congress to pursue. When we answer these questions, we will have the bad actors dead to rights.

[donsu]

9. kicking for justice to be done

ARREST THEM!

[Blackhatjack]

10. A credible source, incriminating evidence, and no other reasonable alternative... HELLO? CONGRESS?

Members of Congress received anthrax. Attempted Murder?

Members of the MSM received anthrax. Attempted Intimidation?

Dead postal workers? Murder. period

THis is THE GUY who would know, and he is pointing the finger at what we already know, that the anthrax properties mean it had to come from a government program.

Why is there no investigation?

Crack this one, and you open a lot of doors for investigation.

[seemslikeadream]

12. Meet Jerome Hauer, 9/11 Suspect Awaiting Indictment

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com /


Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.



On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.


more........

Posted by seemslikeadream on Tue Feb-27-07 11:20 AM

http://winterpatriot.blogspot.com /


Ladies and Gentlemen, meet Jerome Hauer, director of the Office of Public Health Preparedness.



On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer was a national security advisor with the National Institute of Health, a managing director with Kroll Associates, and a guest on national television. His background in counter-terror and his specialized knowledge of biological warfare served him well on that day. Perhaps a little too well.
Anthrax Attacks
On September 11, 2001, Jerome Hauer advised the White House to begin taking Cipro, an antibiotic which is effective against anthrax.

Mr. Hauer's advice was not made public. Its value may have been underestimated at the time, but it was clearly demonstrated a week later, when the first anthrax letters appeared, and again three weeks after that, when anthrax appeared in letters to Democratic Senators Daschle and Leahy.

The obvious question is: Did Jerome Hauer know about the anthrax attacks in advance?
Prior Knowledge?
Strangely, perhaps, this is not the first time questions of prior knowledge have surfaced in Jerome Hauer's wake.

Jerome Hauer joined New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) in 1998 and quickly obtained funding from the office of then-mayor Rudy Giuliani for the study of West Nile virus. The following year the virus appeared in the city, and Jerome Hauer led the fumigation effort.

Did Jerome Hauer know this was going to happen? Or did he just get "lucky"?

And how could anyone know such a thing was going to happen? Unless ... unless ...
The Sound Of Two Feet Dragging
Strangely, perhaps, Jerome Hauer managed the NIH response to the anthrax attacks. The anthrax used in the attacks was identified as an Ames strain, which means it had to have come from the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland.

Jerome Hauer received relatively good information for tracking down the origin of the anthrax. He even got a list of people from various institutes, including USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. But his response was slow and hidden behind a public relations campaign spreading Orwellian claims like "Suspects are Osama bin Laden and his Al-Q'aeda network and sympathizers to US right wing extremists".

Why would he act so slowly, and in such an inappropriate fashion? Perhaps because Jerome Hauer knew someone whose name was on that list?

Stephen Hatfill, at one time considered a prime suspect in this still-unsolved case, had worked for USAMRIID at Fort Detrick. Strangely, perhaps, he had also worked with Jerome Hauer, for Scientific Applications International Corporation, at the Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.


more........



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3389867#3401493

from bobthedrummer

48. It gets really interesting when you examine who was promoting Cipro use
immediately after 9/11 but well before any hint that there was an anthrax (specifically anthrax-that's what Cipro is for) or any other biological threat.

The mainmen on this were HHS Sect. Tommy Thompson and the fellow he had just hired from SAIC (on 9-10-2001!) JEROME HAUER.

Last I heard, Mr. Hauer was in charge of public bio-defense efforts.


At a minimum 9/11 was LIHOP. Why no arrests in the ANTHRAX attacks against media and Democrats that also killed and harmed a lot of innocent US Postal Service employees?????

Tommy Thompson stood around boasting of his negotiating skills with the former I.G. Farben company, BAYER, for 300 million doses of Cipro while US Postal Service employees were working in anthrax HOT ZONE's.

I'm just getting started about this as I live in Wisconsin and suffered under Tommy Thompson for many years. One of his real pals is Charles Murray, the American eugenicist that co-authored "The Bell Curve" and was hired by Tommy Thompson to help draft the Wisconsin Works/W2 welfare reform bill that has since been adopted as the Federal model for welfare reform.

These bastards cannot keep getting away with murder, they have names.
Keep naming them brother!

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Posted by Octafish

Anthrax investigation still active. Why no mention of White House Cipro?

Strange that the White House volk were prescribed the antibiotic Cipro on 9-11, before the Anthrax attacks. Not that there's anything wrong with preventive medicine. Treason's another matter.

Anthrax investigation still ‘active’

FBI has not solved 2001 postal attacks.

Published Saturday, March 19, 2005

WASHINGTON (AP) - The anthrax false alarm this week served as a reminder that federal authorities still haven’t caught whoever was responsible for the all-too-real attacks in 2001 that left five people dead.

No arrests have been made, and no charges filed in the case the FBI has dubbed Amerithrax. Attorneys and scientists who have followed the investigation - and at times been touched by it - say they see no evidence of recent activity.

Debra Weierman, spokeswoman for the FBI’s Washington field office, disputed that. She said 30 FBI agents and 15 postal inspectors are assigned to the anthrax investigation, and more than 5,000 grand jury subpoenas have been issued.

"The investigation remains intensely active," Weierman said.

Steven Hatfill, the one person identified by former Attorney General John Ashcroft as a "person of interest" in the case, has filed suit against Ashcroft and the government, asserting they ruined his reputation. Hatfill has repeatedly said he had nothing to do with the anthrax-tainted letters that scared a jittery nation a month after the Sept. 11 attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://www.showmenews.com/2005/Mar/20050319News016.asp


White House began giving CIPRO to White House Aids on Sept 11

Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:50:59 -0400

White House Mail Machine Has Anthrax

By Sandra Sobieraj
Associated Press Writer
Tuesday, Oct. 23, 2001; 8:11 p.m. EDT

WASHINGTON –– President Bush said confidently Tuesday that "I don't have anthrax" after biohazard testing at the White House and the discovery of anthrax on a mail-opening machine at a screening facility six miles away.

All White House mail – more than 40,000 letters a week – is examined at military facilities across the Potomac River.

"Let me put it this way," Bush said. "I'm confident that when I come to work tomorrow, I'll be safe."

Asked if he was tested for the germ that has killed three people already this month, or if he was taking precautionary antibiotics, Bush replied simply: "I don't have anthrax."

At least some White House personnel were given Cipro six weeks ago. White House officials won't discuss who might be receiving the anthrax-treating antibiotic now.

CONTINUED CACHE SOURCE...

http://lists.essential.org/pipermail/ip-health/2001-October/002225.html

Speaking of treason, what's up with the Secret Team biowarfare fart from Phoenix?


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Jerome M. Hauer
Assistant Vice President, Science Applications International Corporation
Associate Director, Center for Counterterrorism Technology & Analysis

Jerome M. Hauer, one of the nation's leading experts on biological and chemical terrorism, recently left his post as Director of New York City's Office of Emergency Management (OEM) to join Science Applications International Corporation (SAIC). Hauer, who served four years as the City's first OEM Director, will be SAIC's Assistant Vice President and Associate Director of Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis.

During his tenure at OEM, Hauer was charged by the Mayor with coordinating the City's on-scene response to multi-agency emergencies. He was also given the responsibility of drafting the City's emergency response plans to natural and man-made events, including hurricanes and coastal flooding, as well as biological or chemical attacks.

Hauer has a Masters degree from the Johns Hopkins School of Public Health and over 20 years of experience in emergency management. He was recently selected to be one of six scientists to brief President Clinton on biological terrorism and has been asked by the World Health Organization to co-author a rewrite of its 1970 monograph on chemical and biological weapons. Hauer consults regularly with Scotland Yard and the Israeli military, and worked extensively with the Australian Government in its preparations for the 2000 Summer Olympics.

Hauer has served on the National Academy of Sciences Institute of Medicine's Committee to Evaluate R&D Needs for Improved Civilian Medical Response to Chemical or Biological Terrorism Incidents, and is an advisor the United States Capitol Police and the United States Marine Corps' Chemical-Biological Incident Response Force (C-BIRF). Hauer is also a member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, and is an advisor to the Department of Justice's Office of Justice Programs.
more
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

The former director of New York’s Office of Emergency Management on what’s being done at ‘Ground Zero’Newsweek Web ExclusiveSept. 14 - Following the 1993 terrorist attack at the World Trade Center, Jerome M. Hauer was named the first-ever director and commissioner of the Mayor’s Office of Emergency Management (OEM) for the City of New York. The office was designated as the center that would coordinate all agencies in times of crisis, and create its systems and protocols.

THE OEM DIRECTS the city’s overall emergency-response planning, as well as specialized planning for response to chemical, biological and nuclear-related incidents. Hauer also directed the design and implementation of New York City’s state-of-the-art Emergency Operations Center situated on the 23rd floor of 7 World Trade Center, a bunker that went unused in the Tuesday’s explosions because of its proximity to the disaster (WTC 7 collapsed later that day).
more
http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3069634 /


Terror: Who is Jerome "Jerry" Hauer?

Jerome Hauer, Human Health Institute, is the man who put John O'Neill at the WTC and tipped the White House off to Cipro.
Very interesting stuff.....

"Very few cities at this point in time are prepared to manage the consequences of bio-terrorist attack."
Jerry Hauer in an interview with Eyewitness News, October 1, 2001

http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/news/WABC_investigators_100101bioterror.html


In May 2002, Jerome Hauer became director of the federal Office of Public Health Preparedness (OPHP), succeeding Dr. D. A. Henderson from Johns Hopkins Institute.

Why is Jerome Hauer not making national news yet?

He's becoming famous on the Internet. Not only for Republicans, who appreciate his long fight against bioterrorism, which he started three to four years ago.

Hauer is also controversial among those who are able to connect the dots between his person and shady business deals in biopharmacy since 1998.

More interesting, he seems to have had prior knowledge about both so called terrorist-attacks: September 11th and Anthrax.

But many private investigators claim since months, he let the attacks happen on purpose to continue his career.

Is Hauer LIHOP suspect No.1?

He started to work for the NIH under Tommy Thompson on September 10, 2001 as an adviser on national security. On September 11th, he told the White House to take Cipro, the antibiotic that works against the anthrax virus, without bothering to reveal his warning to the American nation.
http://www.bayarea.com/mld/bayarea/living/health/302050 ...

The watchdog group JudicialWatch decided to file a lawsuit against the NIH, but also against the FBI, CDC and the White House, for the same reason: Prior Knowledge.

It is not known how long Hauer worked at the NIH before Sept. 11, but we can confirm that he was working on Sept. 10.
http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

But things get really interesting when we consider that Jerome Hauer was also the man who in August 2001 arranged a new job for John O'Neill - the resigning chief of the FBI Terror Task Force - as head of security at the World Trade Center.

How did Hauer know that the Twin Towers would be so important?

We would like to ask John O' Neill, but there is one problem: O'Neill died in the towers on September 11th, one day after he started his job officially, according to the New Yorker.

Disturbingly, O'Neill has never been received the same hero status in the mass media as has been accorded to the fallen New York firefighters and police officers. His death has gone without the same fanfare. For 11 months his story went untold, with two big exceptions.

The two French intelligence specialists Brisard and Dasquie (see: http://intelligenceonline.fr ) published an interview with O'Neill taken before his death in their book, "Bin Laden: The Forbidden Truth." And articles on O'Neill were also published in the New Yorker and New York Magazine. Last week, TIME magazine also tried to remember him, but left out the most important angles.

This should change immediately.

There is obviously a lot which has been hidden from us, but for what reason?

This might have something to do with the FBI HQ (O'Neill complained about them), but also with Jerome Hauer - who is a friend of the current prime anthrax suspect, Stephen Hatfill, who was working for the military anthrax program USAMRIID at Fort Detrick and Battelle, a huge pharmacy company with many ties to the CIA.

Hauer and Hatfill worked together at the SAIC's Center for Counterterrorism Technology and Analysis in 1999. The SAIC (Scientific Applications International Corp) later received also a huge BioDefense budget in autumn 2001.

http://www.saic.com/news/nov99/news11-30a-99.html - (Hauer)
http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/455218p-3643441c ... - (Hatfill)

But first, more about Hauer:

In 1983, Hauer joined IBM where he was responsible for the company's Hazardous Materials Response and Crisis Management and Fire Safety programs. Hauer produced a series of hazardous materials training videos that earned him the International Film andTV Critics of New York Bronze award in 1986.

In the early 1990s, Hauer got his first contacts to military and biodefense.

Hauer received a master's degree in emergency medical services from the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health. Then he became member of the Johns Hopkins Working Group on Civilian Bio Defense, where he wrote various articles about a possible bioterrorist attack.
http://iml.dartmouth.edu/ists/hauer.html

In 1998, he started working at the OEM (Office for Emergency Management) in New York.

In the same year, Hauer and anthrax suspect Hatfill both supported the CFR as experts in their respective fields. The CFR is an acronym for Council on Foreign Relations, one of the most important think-tanks advising the US government, as well as many other governments abroad.

CFR members include the Pentagon's top advisers, Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey, biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg, and many others.

On May 28, 1998, Hatfill and Hauer spoke together at the same CFR meeting about "Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge"
http://www.cfr.org/public/resource.cgi?meet!102

Hatfill was at that time also Senior Research Associate at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (=USAMRIID)

Hauer seems to specialize in the art of holding down several different jobs at the same time. While he started to work for the NIH in September 2001, he remained a Managing Director at Kroll Associates - the official security and bodyguard company for all American presidents since World War II!

With Hauer's many sources of insider information (e.g. Kroll/President bodyguards) , it makes sense that he also knew about the CIA briefing for George Bush on August 6, 2001, about warnings of an imminent terrorist "attack with planes."

Hauer is still trying to save the world.

On November 6th, 2001 he participated in the "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" at the CFR. Participants there included James J. Zogby (President of the Arab American Institute and Central Asian Enterprise Fund), Newton L. Gingrich (Chief Executive Officer, The Gingrich Group), Harold Brown (former secretary of defense and counselor at CSIS: the Center for Strategic and International Studies), Henry A. Kissinger (Senior Fellow in National Security and European Affairs), Richard C. Holbrooke (Counselor, CFR and Vice Chairman of Perseus, LLC) and Philip A. Odeen (Executive Vice President, Washington Operations of TRW, Inc. and CEO of Reynolds + Reynolds, Dayton).

Their agenda, eight weeks after the attack of Sept. 11, was strange indeed:
http://www.cfr.org/Public/publications/PubDiplom_TF.htm ...



http://www.lauriegarrett.com/wtc_day12.html

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?020114fa_FACT1

[AntiFascist]

42. Excellent, K&RRRRRR....

If CNN or other news outlets had half an ounce of integrity they would be covering this instead of the OJ bullshit.

Government corruption at this level and magnitude is precisely why missing nukes should be taken dead seriously.

[Truth2Tell]

43. SAIC

Can't turn over a friggin rock without finding those guys. Damn.

[cascadiance]

13. I used to work at the state Hygienic Lab in Iowa City, Iowa...

and a number of very good friends still work there (one of whom I visited shortly after 9/11 on a Homecoming weekend trip that was two weeks afterward that I'd planned well before 9/11 happened).

They hadn't locked down the Hygienic Lab on that trip, but not long after I came back from that trip the national guard locked down that laboratory. They still had strains of anthrax there that were being kept there for testing, etc. I don't know if they still do, but that might be worth looking into. If it is the "nearby" Ames strain (the Hygienic Lab also has an office in Des Moines too, even closer to Ames), then perhaps it might be worth tracking down. I wouldn't know if they might have also taken it out in Iowa City too, but perhaps by now they have, since there's no longer national guard protection there.

My friends used to be able to walk down the hall to take a smoke break out the back door of that building. They couldn't any more after the lockdown happened, when the national guard surrounded the whole building except the main entrance.

[GardeningGal]

14. This thread is very interesting

Especially when you consider how many biologists have died. I don't have the link to all the suspicious deaths, but I remember that there were quite a few.

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Here ya go. A list of dead/murdered biologists:

Dead scientist conspiracy?
by Marilyn Barnewall
November 16, 2004

I have to admit to having been an X-files fan. Fox Mulder and Dana Scully were for years part of my weekly television viewing life.

An article I read, however, beats any X-Files script I ever watched.

The original story, published by Rense.com on July 20, 2003 by Ian Gurney, is about twenty scientists, all top in their fields, who have died of "unnatural" causes (murder) since September 11, 2001. All of them specialized in microbiology. Many were experts in emerging infectious diseases and bioterrorism.

After two days on the Internet reading newspaper stories and obituaries from London, Australia, Canada, Russia, Israel and the United States, I can tell you that twenty scientists did not die since 9-11. Nope. The number is forty-four.

Dr. Benito Que, a cell biologist, worked on how infectious diseases can be genetically engineered into bio-warfare programs. He died in Miami on December 6 after being beaten by four men with baseball bats, November 12.

One of the most prominent molecular biologists in the world, Dr. Don Wiley, 46, disappeared November 16, 2001. His body was found November 20. He was a Harvard biochemistry professor researching infectious diseases. Wiley worked with Ebola, Marburg Virus and Q Fever… all germs Chinese scientists are researching.

Vladimir Pasechnik died November 23, 2001, in Wiltshire, England. He defected to Great Britain in 1989 from Russia where he worked on "bio-weapons which could wipe out a third of the world's population." He was a DNA sequencing expert and once said that after his defection he had been approached by China about working for them. Four other high-ranking scientists, all working with Pasechnik on biological weapons of mass destruction, also died mysteriously. A global investigation was launched by Britain's MI6.

Dr. Robert M. Schwartz, 57, a leading expert in DNA sequencing who founded the Virginia Biotechnology Association, was stabbed to death in Leesberg, VA.

Set Van Nguyen, 44, died in Victoria State, Australia on December 11, 2001. The team he worked with created a new variant of mousepox, a close relative of smallpox for which there is no known vaccination. He was an expert in genetic manipulation and DNA sequencing.

According to a Washington Post story on November 2, 2001, a 61-year old District of Columbia hospital worker by the name of Kathy Nguyen died in our nation's capitol from exposure to anthrax. Did she have any connection to the above Set Van Nguyen? No one knows… and if they do, they are not telling.

On February 8, 2002, Vladimir Korshunov, 56, was found dead on a Moscow street. He headed the microbiology sub-faculty of the Russian State Medical University. Two other Russian biology experts, Ivan Glebov died when attacked by burglars in St. Petersburg and Member of the Academy of Science, Alexi Brushlinski, was killed in Moscow. All of the deaths occurred within a few weeks of one another.

On February 11, 2002, global environmental expert Dr. Ian Langford, 40, was found dead in his home in Norwich, England. His home had been ransacked and the residence was blood-spattered..

On March 22, 2002, KUSA (Channel 9) in Denver reported that long-time Denver car dealer, Kent Rickenbaugh and his family were killed in a plane crash near Centennial Airport in Arapahoe County.

The pilot of the plane that crashed was Dr. Steven Mostow, 63, one of America's leading infectious disease experts. He was the Associate Dean, University of Colorado Health Sciences Center. He was an expert on bioterrorism.

Dr. David Wynn-Williams, an award-winning microbiologist, was hit by a car while jogging near his Cambridge, England, home on March 27, 2002.

Roman Kuzmin, 24, was a Russian surgeon studying in Connecticut. He was struck by a car as he fled a store with three stolen rolls of film, police said.

In California, Dr. Tanya Holzmayer, a Russian born genomic scientist who co-invented a tool that has helped find hundreds of molecular targets to combat cancer was killed. She had just opened her front door when Guyang Huang, with whom she had once worked, killed her. A man was delivering a pizza she had never ordered when Huang jumped out from behind him and shot her several times in the chest. During the early part of 2000, Huang, a Chinese immigrant, was the director of molecular biology and bioinformatics with PPD Discovery in the San Francisco area.

Dr. David Kelly died July 17, 2003, in Oxfordshire, England. David Boucher, British ambassador to the disarmament conference, recalled a conversation with Kelly. Broucher asked Kelly what would happen if Iraq were invaded. Kelly replied, "I will probably be found dead in the woods."

That gives a whole new slant to "weapons of mass destruction" in Iraq, doesn't it?

Dr. Mike Patrick Kiley died January 24, 2004, of a massive heart attack. He was an ebola, mad cow disease expert.

Dr. Robert Shope, 74, an expert on viruses who warned of epidemics caused by new and unsettling infectious diseases died the same week… the third week of January.

Drs. Kiley and Shope were working on the lab upgrade at in Galvaston, TX, for Homeland Security.

During the second week of December 2003, Robert Leslie Burghoff, 45, died in Houston, the victim of a hit-and-run accident. He was studying the virus known to make cruise ship vacations end in death an illness.

A month earlier, a West Nile virus research expert who helped curtail its spread, Michael Perich, died in a pickup truck crash on I-12. He worked at Louisiana State University.

There are other dead scientists… 44 of them, at last count. The investigation is focused on China because of a computer program called Promis. It was stolen from a Washington company called Inslaw. The president of Inslaw, , Bill Hamilton, noted that his company's software "would give any country a flying start in keeping track of just about anybody's work."

I think Tom Ridge should take out a roll of tape and place a large "X" on a Homeland Security office window! In case he does not know it, there is a crisis… scientists are being murdered, worldwide.

http://www.businessreform.com/article.php?articleID=10744&ofid=61

[smoogatz]

16. The truly weird part of all this is that the so-called Democratic majority

in congress has made no attempt to investigate further, even though their colleagues were targeted. Nothing. Nada. Zilch. One has to wonder if they're not still feeling a bit intimidated; obviously the people responsible are still around, probably still in government. One wonders, even, if they're not the same guys (or working for the same agency) responsible for loading those nukes onto the Minot B-52.

[L. Coyote]

51. Asserting a negative,"no attempt to investigate further," means little when dealing with secrets.

There is a national security blanket on this entire field. Don't expect investigations, etc. to be open or even known. They are likely secret and part of the 50% we know nothing about yet.

[rucognizant]

59. How Do YOU know that?

If you were in COngress and investigating it would you blab it around?

[smoogatz]

73. Don't you think the American people have a right to know

if a rogue element of their own government is targeting Democratic senators and journalists? Keeping it a big secret only enables more of the same, no?

[TheMadMonk]

103. You can talk all the "right to know." that you like. It won't get you far.

Rogue elements have been operating in and on behalf of the US govt for at least half a century. And very very few of them are ever found out, let alone prosecuted and that only briefly, until an outgoing president makes it all "never happened".

You expect the Democratics to do something? From where I stand they look like they're in it up to their necks. Or at least were until the PNAC crowd saw a chance go for the whole enchilada and left the Dems looking like a bunch of ineffectual idiots.

[defendandprotect]

76. We're talking about people with close connections to "privatized" military -- Cheney . . .

is the one.

And, if we're talking about grabbing some Anthrax from a military lab--
grabbing a half dozen nukes from and shipping them off, unknown to the pilots --

How difficult would it be to get a crew going to wire the WTC towers for demoliton?
Or to grab a few missiles to use as ramming rods into the WTC towers and the Pentagon??

[smoogatz]

80. I think the towers were wired in 1992, after the first attack.

They were "pulled" to prevent their lateral collapse when chunks of the facade started falling off. Same with WTC 7. I don't think there were any missiles involved. But yes--I doubt we'll ever know the details of the Minot nuke event: it's pure specualation, but I could see it being an Abu Ghraib type deal--uniformed contractors show up with no insignia, strange officers barking orders, civilians flashing NSA or CIA IDs also barking orders, the regular uniformed grunts overwhelmed and trying to keep everybody happy. Next thing you know, you're missing six nukes. Good thing they didn't think through what was going to happen on the other end, at Barksdale. Hopefully it was just a one-time event, and not a repeat performance.

[defendandprotect]

97. The first attack was in '93 . . . and the FBI knew in advance about it --

and could have stopped it. Details of much of '93 are also covered up and rarely aired.

A plane probably wouldn't have penetrated much of the WTC exterior -- it's aluminum and those who saw some of this steel from the WTC towers say they've never seen anthing as massive as that steel.

Re the missing nukes . . . I don't think that "hoping" is going to do much for us -- I think we need some real investigation.

Rummy and Cheney built their careers on fear mongering for a Cold War, trying to put it back together again after JFK kinda called off the Cold War.

Loss of the Cold War meant a loss of power . . . . for presidents who believed in war and imperialism, for the Military Industrial Intelligence Complex -- MIIC -- for those who want to control populations and recognize that fear is one of the best ways to do it.

So Cheney has been close to the military ---
And, as we saw in Iran-Contra, there has been a "privated military" -- with a sort of "off the shelf"
availability.

[TheMadMonk]

105. Not a likely scenario.

The procedures for removing nukes from "storage", attaching them to delivery vehicles, mounting those missiles on a warplane require checks and double checks, and more at every single stage, at every transfer of custody. There is no possible manner in which a black ops team could bulldoze their way into possession of nuclear devices for even a few seconds.


And THEN to have an entire aircrew fail to notice that live nukes are dangling under their wings like crimson painted dog's balls?



Perhaps it is true that these weapons were slated for destruction. But if that is the case it still leaves the problem of who has the power to divert nukes in transit? And in all probability lose them whilst hiding the fact that they'd been lost. If these weapons hadn't been noticed, I strongly suspect that by now they would have been listed as "DESTROYED".


What is really frightening here is the degree to which the paper trail has been sanitised, and the ease with which it has been done.

[smoogatz]

111. Apparently now the gov't says they were slated to be upgraded

not decommissioned. Others have pointed out that nuke decommissioning takes place in New Mexico, not Louisiana. You could come to a couple of reasonable conclusions based on that info, obviously.

[Mike Nelson]

17. The Democrats attacked show so little interest....

...in this -- why are they afraid?

[porphyrian]

18. I'll kick that. - n/t

[Rex]

19. Well, if they stayed fair and balanced about the attacks, no one

would be any the wiser BUT they sent the deadly letters to DEMS leaders and someone who wrote a very eye opening story about the BFEE.

Really ain't that hard to figure out.

[lovuian]

20. Yes I've always known they destroyed evidence

Never charged Never gone to court because it had to be kept out of the public eye

it was our own government Anthrax

[goforit]

22. These thugs are soul-less bloodless creatures of death and destruction.

[Holly_Hobby]

24. It's no wonder impeachment is off the table

I'd be terrified of an anthrax love letter, too.

[tekisui]

107. you got it, one plate of Impeachment with a side of Anthrax.

[bbgrunt]

25. k & r

[ThomWV]

28. His premis is false. "it was obvious to me that this was from a U.S. government lab"

I can think of at least three, and possibly six, countries that could have, and probably have, the same capability and materials available to them.

USA
Russia
France
England
Israel
Germany

[RainDog]

36. no, his premise is sound. each strain has its own "dna fingerprint"

they can tell if weaponized anthrax came from the ames strain in the U.S. or if it was from Russia, etc. So, the premise is not false.

[RainDog]

38. your premise is also wrong for this reason:

Boyle notes this:

It later came out, of course, that this was
Ames strain anthrax that was behind the Daschle and Leahy letters."

Here is one such report:

Researchers last month confirmed earlier reports that the B. anthracis strain used in the recent Florida anthrax attacks was derived from the weapons grade Ames strain, though they could not pinpoint the exact origin of the Florida isolate.

...The study that linked the Florida attacks to the Ames anthrax strain appeared in the May 9 <2002> online issue of Science Express. It compared isolates of the two strains and demonstrated that genome sequencing would soon allow scientists to more accurately trace the origin of individual bacterial strains, determine whether or not strains have been genetically modified, and assess the potential danger of the bacterium.

"This study provides a framework for future research on the genetic variation among anthrax bacterial strains," said Dr. Anthony S. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases (NIAID) in Bethesda, Md. "We now can expand on this information by generating genomic sequences for many different anthrax strains, allowing us to distinguish among them at the single-nucleotide level."

I would say the NIAID is a reputable source for information on the strain used in the attacks. And this information has been established since 2002.

[ThomWV]

52. Your argument fails on two points

The first is obvious, just because you can identify the strain doesn't mean you know where it came from and there is no reason to think we have not or do not share strains with our military allies. The second is in the language you quoted. Notice that Dr. Fauci says 'now we CAN expand on this information by generating ...' which of course if not the same thing as saying that we HAVE done it. So all I would say in agreement with you is that NIAD may in fact be a reputable source for information on the strain used but it is of no value in determining the source of that strain or the location(s) at which it is stored.

[RainDog]

61. Yes, the identity of the strain tells where it came from

these various strains are modified so often once they leave the "parent" strain that they have particular markers. Since this is an item that is not available to the general public and is considered a weapon, the idea that some other nation stole it strains probability. In any criminal situation, the rational thing to do is to look at who would benefit by such an action. Since the Bush administration was trying to pass the Patriot Act (something that could not have been written over such a short amt. of time), and since Leahy, etc. were upholding this... if you were a police detective looking for a motive for murder, who would you suspect? The logical suspect(s) would be someone working in the lab with access to the bioweapons. That's a fairly narrowcasted net, but that makes sense until you have exhausted that search (which never happened.)

This was also the time that the republicans were doing all their dirty tricks in Congress, such as hiding from democrats on committees to exclude them, and holding sessions late at night to try to exclude dems. (Via Matt Taibbi's report on The Worst Congress Ever. This is an excellent article which brings together things that had been noted in other media outlets but, of course, weren't "important" enough for any media investigation.

Back to anthrax-
Oct 2, 2001- The “anti-terrorism” Patriot Act is introduced in Congress, but is not well received by all. One day later, Senate Majority Leader and future anthrax target Tom Daschle (D) says he doubts the Senate will take up this bill in the one week timetable the administration wants. As head of the Senate, Daschle has great power to block or slow passage of the bill. Attorney General Ashcroft accuses Senate Democrats of dragging their feet. On October 4, Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman and future anthrax target Patrick Leahy (D) accuses the Bush administration of reneging on an agreement on the anti-terrorist bill. Leahy is in a key position to block or slow the bill. Some warn that “lawmakers are overlooking constitutional flaws in their rush to meet the administration’s timetable.” Two days later, Ashcroft complains about “the rather slow pace?over his request for law enforcement powers? Hard feelings remain.” The anthrax letters to Daschle and Leahy are sent out on October 9 and difficulties in passing the Act continue (see October 2001).

same thing with the Nat'l Enquirer and the pix of drunk Bush daughters. why would Russia, etc. give a shit about that guy?

here is a link to mainstream sourced http://cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a100201patriotact#a100201patriotact">info on anthrax/patriot act. (via Paul Thompson's excellent site.)

here's one quote:
On October 20, the International Herald Tribune reports a new theory: "A disgruntled employee of a domestic laboratory that uses anthrax carried out the attacks." It also states investigators "have tentatively concluded that is a domestic strain that bears no resemblance to strains that Russia and Iraq have turned into biological weapons."

and another one:

...further investigation leads the US government to conclude that, “everything seems to lean toward a domestic source.… Nothing seems to fit with an overseas terrorist type operation.”

That assumption coincides with a report from the head of the Federation of American Scientists' bioweapons monitoring program. From reporting in The Guardian UK. -

The anthrax the terrorist sent belongs to the "Ames" strain of the bacterium, which was extracted from an infected cow in Texas in 1981. In December, the Washington Post reported that genetic tests showed that the variety used by the terrorist was a sub-strain cultivated by scientists at the US army's medical research institute for infectious diseases (USAMRIID) at Fort Detrick, Maryland. That finding was publicly confirmed two weeks ago, when the test results were published in the journal Science. New Scientist magazine notes that the anthrax the terrorist used appears to have emerged from Fort Detrick only recently, as the researchers found that samples which have been separated from each other for three years acquire "substantial genetic differences".

The Ames strain was distributed by USAMRIID to around 20 other laboratories in the US. Of these, according to research conducted by Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, who runs the Federation of American Scientists' biological weapons monitoring program, only four possess the equipment and expertise required for the weaponization of the anthrax sent to Senator Daschle. Three of them are US military laboratories, the fourth is a government contractor. While security in all these places has been lax, the terrorist could not have stolen all the anthrax (around 10 grams) which found its way into the postal system. He must have used the equipment to manufacture it.

Not only that, but the anthrax has a two year life span, so not only did the anthrax come from the U.S. Ames strain, it was made within two years of Oct. 2001.

another page: Anthrax attacks and microbiologist's deaths.

This is where the information in my earlier post came from. You do not have more expertise than the scientists who studied this issue. Therefore, maybe you should rethink whether or not your position is reasonable.

As far as who might have done this, this guy is interesting-

Evidence comes to light that a scientist named Lt. Col. Philip Zack had a history of suspicious behavior in the nation's most classified anthrax research center, USAMRIID. Zack was fired for unprofessional behavior centering on numerous hateful attacks on his colleague Dr. Assaad (Zack is Jewish and Assaad is Muslim, which may explain the enmity). Security cameras show Zack came into the lab at night on occasion without permission, after being fired. There is also a history of missing viruses, including anthrax and Ebola, that seem connected to these incidents. A former lab technician who worked with some of the anthrax that was later reported missing said all he ever handled was the Ames strain. Dr. Assaad received a letter just prior to the anthrax attacks in October that appear to frame him

Assad was, apparently, supposed to be the patsy. Hatfill was the convenient distraction after Assad and Zack got press concerning the harrassement of Assad by a gang of assholes led by Zack. Here is a saved version of this story from The Hartfield Courant

Oh and here is another bit that was sickening...again profits before common good:

October 18, 2001: Canada overrides Bayer's patent for Cipro and orders a million tablets of a generic version from another company. The US says it is not considering a similar move. Patent lawyers and politicians state that adjusting Bayer's patent to allow other companies to produce Cipro is perfectly legal and necessary. The New York Times notes that the White House seems "so avidly to be siding with the rights of drug companies to make profits rather than with consumers worried about their access to the antibiotic Cipro," and points out huge recent contributions by Bayer to Republicans.

October 21, 2001: The Bayer Corporation, holders of the US patent on the anthrax antibiotic Cipro, agrees with the US to reduce the price of Cipro in the US from $1.83 to 95 cents. Analysts say the price reduction will reduce Bayer's profit margin from 95% to 65%. This reduction applies only to sales to the US government, not sales to the public. Bayer has allowed no other companies to produce or import Cipro into the US. Other countries with less stringent patent laws sell Cipro for 1/30th the US price, and have offered to import large quantities into the US. Nevertheless, a class action suit by over one million Americans has been filed against Bayer and two other companies, alleging that Bayer has paid $200 million to two competitors to not make generic versions of Cipro.

[Torn_Scorned_Ignored]

54. Another Report

I can't understand much of this but someone may find it informative.

Forensic Application of Microbiological Culture Analysis To Identify Mail Intentionally Contaminated with Bacillus anthracis Spores
Douglas J. Beecher*
FBI Laboratory, Hazardous Materials Response Unit, 2501 Investigation Parkway, Quantico, Virginia 22135

Received 20 April 2006/ Accepted 22 May 2006

http://aem.asm.org/cgi/content/full/72/8/5304

[Ezlivin]

29. Tinfoil. Our gov't would never harm us and it is too incompetent to pull it off

And too many people would have had to know; they can't keep a secret that big.

Oh, sorry. That's what people say about the 9/11 attacks.

And "they" say "Why hasn't anyone talked?" as if there is no such thing as intimidation.

Once you finally accept the fact that our government is being run by the equivalent of the mob, you'll completely understand of what they are capable.

[dailykoff]

83. And the FBI, CIA, and miltary forces do not get involved in politics.

Evuh!

:sarcasm:

[sce56]

30. It is against US policy to maintain Weapons Grade Biowarfare stocks.

http://www.iht.com/articles/2001/07/07/edheis_ed3_.php


In principle, the production and use of biological weapons have been banned since 1972 by an international treaty that 143 states, including all the major military powers, have signed and ratified. Unfortunately, this treaty contains no verification mechanism. This glaring omission was exploited by countries such as the Soviet Union, which operated the giant "Biopreparat" complex exclusively dedicated to germ warfare.

The growing military potential of biological weapons has given new urgency to the establishment of a verification mechanism. Since 1993 an ad hoc group, the Geneva-based Conference on Disarmament — which includes nearly all militarily significant countries, not least the United States — has been working toward a draft verification protocol.

That was from a pre 911 article. I like all other soldiers was trained in policy concerning NBC warfare Nuclear Bio Chemical. The US policy has been for quite some time that we would never use Bio weapons so the mere presence of weapons grade Anthrax is a violation of International Treaty. The only caveat to that was research for defensive response.

Can anyone just tell it like it is BLACKMAIL on congress!

[ThomWV]

31. Fort Detrick, Maryland - do you honestly think they ever quit?

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2003/05/28/national/main555881.shtml

[MetaTrope]

93. You do know that the Bush admin scuttled the Biological Weapons Convention in July 2001?

http://www.armscontrol.org/act/2001_09/bwcsept01.asp

[CoffeeCat]

32. Who destroyed the Ames, Iowa anthrax?

Are they suggesting that this was someone in Ames destroying evidence...an inside job?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

35. Dyncorp. eom

[B Calm]

40. I'm surprised some DU'er is not calling this the Tinfoil Hat Brigade

like they eagerly do to people demanding the truth about 9-11!

[valerief]

44. Wow, whenever I proposed this to people I work with, they told me I was paranoid

and crazy. And they're liberals! But the timing of threats and the great silence that followed them only lead to one source: the gummint that is benefitting from the attacks.

[Disturbed]

48. Whenever anyone steps out of line, a note is sent with one word.

Anthrax.

[dickbearton]

57. The people you speak to at work...

Are like most Americans, they got their head stuck up their
ass and can't seem to pull it out.

[fightthegoodfightnow]

45. Wouldn't Surprise Me One Bit

Pandering to Fear is All George W. Bush is good at.

Isn't it time we took back our government?

[MasonJar]

46. I really believe that Daschle's family was threatened. It seems to me

that it was even reported subtly. Also I believe that Paul O'Neill's family was threatened after his book came out. I saw him one night on Charlie Rose and he said essentially something like "I am old and I am rich" so what can they do to me. He never gave another interview that I could find. I believe the monsters threatened his grandchildren, whom he mentioned that night. These people are evil because they sincerely believe that their end justifies any means.

[rucognizant]

60. Yes & we haven't heard from O'niel since!

Does anyone remember Dick Gebhardt's step down speach after the Iowa caucus? He said " There are more eyes on us than we realize!"

[Just-plain-Kathy]

85. Look at the time Jimmy Carter took back his criticisms of Bush.

...I thought for sure someone got to him.

[superkia]

47. Another reason the constitution should be the first issue discussed.

Thankfully we have Dennis Kucinich out there speaking out and trying to defend our rights, if only we would help him. I guess our rights really arent that important anyways. Go mainstream candidates go! :sarcasm:

[Jim Sagle]

49. And now we know why the Dems took impeachment is off the table. If they did impeach,

The bushregime would declare martial law and kill them.

[farmbo]

50. Why waste resources on investigating the anthrax attacks...OJ's been arrested!!

Anybody want to guess which story will get more ink?

:shrug:

[enid602]

58. 'criminal elements'

. . ."were perpetrated and covered up by criminal elements of the U.S. government." He must mean Bush and Cheney.

[JDPriestly]

63. Should we ask the candidates whether they will investigate the anthrax attacks?

I wonder what Hillary would say? I suspect the other candidates would be quite willing to investigate them. We deserve to know what or who perpetrated that attacks and who was behind the attackers.

[Jonathan Pollard]

77. Hillary defended the Jersey Girls who wanted 9/11 investigated

Hillary spoke out to defend the Jersey Girls who wanted 9/11 investigated, so maybe she's in favor of investigating this too.

A good movie to watch about the Jersey Girls can be seen here:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3979568779414136481

[defendandprotect]

98. Hey, Thank you!! Never saw this film, but recently read Kristen Breitweiser's new book ---

It will stand as testimony to the fact that we basically had no investigation --
These women gave their all to try to get it -- and were betrayed as we all were.

I'll watch the movie as soon as I can.

Thanks --

[JDPriestly]

116. But what has she said about the anthrax attacks?

[The Wielding Truth]

64. WOOOW!".... perpetrated and covered up by criminal elements

of the U.S. government. The motive: to foment a police state by killing off and intimidating opposition to post-9/11 legislation such as the USA PATRIOT Act and the later Military Commissions Act."

".....list of names of scientists, contractors and labs conducting anthrax work for the U.S. government and military."


Accusation and proof with clear evidence.

What more does it take to show the blatant corruption of the Bush administration??

[RainDog]

68. I think it's interesting

Isn't it interesting that Paul Craig Roberts and Bruce Fenn and now this guy are unwilling to support this criminal administration... to the point that they call for impeachment and question if these fascists will instigate martial law and accuse them of attempted murder and a "Reichstag" incident?

Whenever someone says liberals are crazy to worry about these possibilities, it's useful to point them to "reagan and bush 1 republicans" who aren't afraid to say what so many think. (and, most importantly, they do this b/c they are no longer part of the govt.)

[EVDebs]

75. Hmmm. Remember Dr Larry Ford and the So African connections ?

November 3, 2002
California Doctor's Suicide Leaves Many Troubling Mysteries Unsolved
By JO THOMAS

http://www.geocities.com/project_coast/docsuicmyst.htm

" After Dr. Ford's suicide, the police got tips that he had buried anthrax in a gold mine. They searched fruitlessly in California. Four months later, documents in a Nevada trash dump showed that Dr. Ford had been in touch with people involved in antitax and antigovernment groups. Some of them had tried to use bacteria to extract gold from dirt.

In December 2000, investigators searched a derelict gold milling site outside Henderson, Nev. They found a separator funnel, a white liquid and Dr. Ford's business card. A federal agent said they also found directions for making chemical and biological weapons, including anthrax. But that was all. The site's proprietor had recently died of unrelated causes. "

[Cookie wookie]

79. Kick and recommended!

[Jonathan Pollard]

81. FBI refuses to give Congress an update on their "investigation"

Here's a letter that I personally faxed to several congressmen including the chairman of the House Homeland Security committee:

Dear Rep. Thompson,

The greatest threat now is "a 9/11 occurring with a group of terrorists armed not with airline tickets and box cutters, but with a nuclear weapon in the middle of one of our own cities."
- Dick Cheney on Face the Nation, CBS, April 15, 2007

Vice President Cheney should be taken seriously, because he has a fairly good record at predicting terrorist attacks in advance. He started taking the anti-anthrax drug Cipro one week before the first anthrax attack took place and three weeks before it first appeared on Capitol Hill.

http://www.judicialwatch.org/1967.shtml

I am writing to you to make sure that you are aware that as reported in the Washington Post, the FBI and other federal agencies are moving outside of the Washington DC nuclear blast and fallout zone, something that did not happen even at the height of the Cold War. I personally am curious as to the identity of the person who made the decision to make the move, and the evidence for the need to do so, possibly being deliberately kept secret, that factored into the decision.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/12/25/AR2006122500637.html

Bush and Cheney are making preparations to seize dictatorial power in the event that Congress is wiped out by a nuke:
http://progressive.org/mag_wx051807

Some of those preparations are being kept secret from Congress: http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/118489654058910.xml&coll=7

Remember, the person who conducted the anthrax attack against Congress and specifically against the senators who were holding up passage of the Patriot Act is still at large. Because he had access to weapons-grade anthrax from a government facility, he might also be able to get a nuke from the government. And the FBI is refusing to provide Congress with an update on the status of its anthrax "investigation," an indication that the anthrax attacker is being shielded so he can make another terrorist attack:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/12/12/politics/main2252540.shtml


PS I think the Homeland Security Committee should investigate the homeland security implications of the nuclear warheads that "mistakenly" were flown across the USA today. http://rawstory.com//news/2007/CNN_Military_loses_track_of_6_0905.html

[B Calm]

108. Be careful.. some DU'er might call you a member of the Tinfoil Hat

Brigade..

[yurbud]

82. mega-kick

[bluesmail]

84. BIG ASS KICK

from a 33 year career Rural Carrier still employed by PO

[yurbud]

94. oh yeah. you guys got a personal interest in this.

[The Doctor.]

88. ..

Oh for fuck's sake.

They really do underestimate the 'informed people', don't they?

[Duppers]

95. Boyle has courage

But why is he now not afraid for his own life?

[wildbilln864]

99. A definite K&R! n/t

[wildbilln864]

100. kick again! n/t

[wildbilln864]

101. A related thread........

link

[orleans]

102. k&r n/t

[nikto]

104. WHY...

...am I not surprised by this, not even one bit?


Seriousness in 2007=cynicism in 2000

[Ganja Ninja]

109. This is why 9/11 conspiracy theory's annoy me.

If ever anything pointed to a government conspiracy against it's people it was these anthrax attacks. Debates about whether a plane or a missile hit the Pentagon are a waste of time and a distraction from what we should have been looking at all along. They only serve to discredit people who rightfully should be suspicious of this government. It's barking up the wrong tree.

While we can debate endlessly whether or not there was any government complicity in 9/11 we can be sure of one thing. The Anthrax attacks were planed and carried out by America's government. A government that has shown time and again that it is hostile and contemptuous of it's own people. And it shows that we have a real problem with extreme right wing elements in our government and military. They have committed an act of war on the American people and if the democracy is to survive we need to purge them forever from our government.

[mslawstudent]

114. The anthrax attacks shut down congress while they were about to investigate

If there were conspiracists and they did anthrax then it would be logical to imply it was to coverup 9-11. The anthrax attack had to be ready to go.

[wildbilln864]

110. kick again damnit! n/t

[spindoctor]

112. Let us not forget! K&R n/t

[groovedaddy]

113. There are some sleazy, cutthroat bastards at work here

They really want their police state. They're tired of having to deal dissenters and the like.

[Danieljay]

117. Doesn't mean shite until its on the cover of the major newspapers around this country. n/t

[wildbilln864]

120. yep! n/t

[Raster]

118. When dealing with cheney*/bush* and the BFEE, coincidence is NOT an option.

[Supersedeas]

119. Did Al Gonzo ever provide the answers that he promised??

[raccoon]

121. Kick. Reading this thread made me feel like a character in

a Ludlum novel or THE PARALLAX VIEW.

Good thread.

[wildbilln864]

122. kick! n/t