Is it a betrayal when people trust you to give the most accurate information possible

[Toots]

and you don't? If you cherry pick the information to the point of almost Lying straight out? The nation and the troops count on the truth. We want the complete truth and nothing but the truth. When our leaders especially those we entrust our lives with want to sway the truth then IMO it is a betrayal. We need to have our Generals be truthful to our nation at all times even when it is unpleasant to hear. The truth is that more deaths and injuries have occured in Iraq this summer than any summer since we invaded. The truth is that the Iraqi government is even more disorganized now than it was a year ago. All I ask is for the truth be told and if it isn't then I consider it a betrayal...If our government is truly of the people, by the people and for the people then it is essential that the people are given accurate information...

[libnnc]

1. Yes. Especially when lives are at stake.

[xchrom]

2. i'm going to RECOMMEND that you stop making sense. that is all.

[Richardo]

3. Your post is reasoned, eloquent and thought-provoking, Toots. I even agree with it.

But it doesn't excuse 7th-grade name calling by MoveOn and their supporters who do the same.

In fact, I'd say it illustrates my point: had you used terms like 'war criminal', 'war based on lies', 'Betrayus' etc I probably would not have expended the effort to see what you had to say.

Thank you. :patriot:

[Cha]

4. Yes, Toots, its BETRAYAL in the

highest form. The ad from Moveon was deadly accurate.

[baldguy]

5. When a general lies, he betrays our trust in him, his oath to the Constitution,

and his responsibility to the soldiers under his command.

General Betray-Us indeed.

[Flabbergasted]

6. It is the nature of politics to frame the "truth".

[Toots]

7. And is it the nature of the military to be political?

I used to believe the military was supposed to keep itself above politics but then again there is the Rush Limbaugh broadcast on Armed Forces Radio five days a week paid for with tax payer money...:shrug:

[Flabbergasted]

8. Politics and the military have always been intertwined

[pretzel4gore]

9. obviously, the master class treats us with disdain

that's probably normal- as anyone can see, there are too many nitpickers in the population, people who never satisfied. But we live in a world of forces, and to extract the max benefit from used energy, it often best idea to keep the intelligensia informed truthfully in order that the forces of society are steered, at least, in the left direction (lol) Alot of the problems stemming from the placing of the youngster bush in highest elected office of the land can be traced back to radical ant-social forces which were inherent in the USA from its founding, and have affected the resulting culture. For example, the USA has a military budget larger then the rest of the planet combined, yet such bush critics as Michael Scheuer (ex cia who headed the US's obl unit until '04) has published a tome which says bush etc were wrong for not doing enough to defeat alciadoes- and we're gonna lose because we just ain trying hard enough! That's a lie. The US had no reason or right to occupy Iraq in first place. The Iraqi regime was really a USA ally in any serious 'war' on Islamic extremism. But Scheurer is all over the media pushing the big lie: it's them, not we, who are the problem, and we must kill them all. Scheuer ignores simple truth that Bush not elected in 2k election, and possibly 911 is connected to that larceny, and was instrumental in rearranging the way the US works, and the 'war' against the Iraqi people is an atrocity.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article18001.htm
here's something about lying that people like scheurer roll their eyes at:
"Lying is an accursed vice. It is only our words which bind us together and make us human. If we realized the horror and weight of lying, we would see that it is more worthy of the stake than other crimes...Once let the tongue acquire the habit of lying and it is astonishing how impossible it is to make it give it up" - Montaigne
from pg 71 of Gore Vidal's 'Dreaming War, blood for oil...etc'

[Ino]

10. Yes, it is a betrayal of trust, of truth, of position

"Is General Petraeus being completely accurate?" followed by a long recitation of facts vs claims, etc., would not have grabbed as much attention. I think it would have been ignored or dismissed quietly as "a difference of opinion" -- much the same way as the weak Dem protests are. The Betray Us head, and the resulting firestorm over it, just may wake up a few people who otherwise pay little attention.