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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:27 PM
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McCain: Webb-Hagel Iraq Proposal Is Unconstitutional
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McCain: Webb-Hagel Iraq Proposal Is Unconstitutional
By Eric Kleefeld - September 16, 2007, 2:02PM

John McCain told CNN yesterday that the Webb-Hagel Amendment — a proposal to limit troops deployments in Iraq by mandating a certain minimum rest time — is unconstitutional. "Where in the Constitution of the United States does it say that the Congress decides how long people will spend on tours of duty and how long they will spend back in the United States?" McCain said. "It's blatantly unconstitutional."
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Olney Blue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:32 PM
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1. WTF? This man is not a friend of the troops.
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 07:32 PM by Olney Blue
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:32 PM
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2. Article 1, Section 8:
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 08:02 PM by eyesroll
"The Congress shall have Power . . . (t)o make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces(.)"

Edited: Typo in subject. Article II is the Executive Branch. Also to fix brackets that don't seem to work here.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:44 PM
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9. Constitution: 1, McCain: 0 n/t
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earthside Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:46 PM
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11. Absolutely!
McCain, as usual is one hundred percent WRONG.

Though it is Article ONE; Section 8; Clause 14. Here.

Note also Clause 16. The Congress could pass legislation prohibiting sending the National Guard overseas.

If Congress wanted to, it could very clearly ... and Constitutionally ... end the Bush-ordered occupation of Iraq.
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eyesroll Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:01 PM
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13. You're right, of course--thanks for the correction.
(I was so excited I remembered something from last year's Con Law class I mis-cited it.)
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BleedingHeartPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:32 PM
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3. So, McCain thinks they're all wimps because they weren't a POW after running a bombing mission?
Why else would he say the men and women who serve don't deserve time with their families beyond a week between hellish tours?

:shrug:
MKJ
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gateley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:35 PM
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4. How can ANY Repug dare even whisper the word "unconstitutional" regarding
ANYTHING to do with this war?
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countmyvote4real Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:36 PM
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5. Where has he been for the last 7 years. "Unconstitutional" is the name of the game.
Edited on Sun Sep-16-07 07:48 PM by countmyvote4real
Seriously, even though it doesn't say Congress decides the length of TOD, it does allow Congress to make laws that could say that.

All I can say is "Bless his heart." I'm sorry he losing his mind.
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EST Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:37 PM
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6. McCain sure is turning into one crazy bastard, huh?
Is he really this certifiable, recently, or has he always run with his gut instead of having read the constitution?
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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:38 PM
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7. Wonder if M. F. (my friend) McCain has noticed any other unconstitutional bills, laws, or
signing statements? How convenient he notices after six years of constitutional onslaught: how convenient indeed.
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:43 PM
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8. Unprovoked assault on a sovereign nation is on the highly questionable list as well,
but it doesn't seem to bother John McCain any that Bush et al undertook just such a mission.

Now here he is trying to undermine Hagel and Webb for responsible Senate action?

God where is John McCain's mind?

Not 6 years ago, he had it. Where could it have gotten off to?
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:46 PM
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15. "God where is John McCain's mind?"
Good question!! :D :hi:



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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:05 AM
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22. Bingo. McCain, of all people, ought to know the difference between
elemental right and elemental wrong.

And he does, but sold out to BushCo anyway.

Dark be the night of his fall.

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goforit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:45 PM
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10. It will Be CONSTITUTIONAL if Congress votes for it!!!
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KellyW Donating Member (539 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 07:51 PM
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12. There is precedent for this.
Back during the Korean War, Congress required that all troops receive at least 120 days of training in the US before being shipped overseas.
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Bitwit1234 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 08:43 PM
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14. Do tell...something being unconstutional
has never stopped the bush administration from doing anything, and from mccain supporting those.
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:14 PM
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18. McLame doesn't feel that the Troops need that rest.
Yeah, the man has lost a lot of grey cells & the little amount of integrity he used to have. He is sadly pathetic. I could almost feel sorry for him but cannot because he is such an Asshole!
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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:07 PM
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16. And as usual, crackpipe "news" network lets a blatant falsehood pass
without word one of feedback or analysis.

This is precisely why I tell people NOT to watch this sort of garbage. At best, most people will end up misinformed.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:09 PM
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17. crap not news.
:hi:
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JBoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:36 PM
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19. It's scary that this man is a Senator,
let alone a candidate to be President.

I guess all those laws you passed over the last 20 years were "unconstitutional", John. What a sad, tired old man.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 09:39 PM
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20. it constantly chills me that years in North Vietnam prison couldn't break McCain, but Bushies could
They either have really good dirt on him or they threatened his family.
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TwilightGardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-16-07 10:18 PM
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21. You have a point. I never thought of it that way. Yikes.
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:21 AM
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24. You do know that McCain fully co-operated with the North Vietnamese and signed
every paper they put in front of him..
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 08:19 AM
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23. Where does it say in the Constitution that McCain can fart?
It is clearly unconstitutional for him to fart...
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