B. Manilow pulls out of The View because Elizabeth is "dangerous"

[LiberalHeart]

This is on TMZ:

In an exclusive statement to TMZ, Barry says, "I strongly disagree with her views. I think she's dangerous and offensive. I will not be on the same stage as her." Barry, taking a stand!

Manilow is currently on a press tour promoting the release of his new album, "Greatest Songs of the Seventies."

A call to a rep for "The View" was not i mmediately returned.

http://tmz.com

[Fridays Child]

1. Yeah, Barry!

:woohoo:

[midlife_mo_Jo]

19. I think this is so stupid!

My opinion is that her views are countered by the others. The whole point of "The View" is to have alternative viewpoints. This is much better than a lot of Fox shows where the viewpoint is only THE RIGHT.

B. Manilow is acting just as idiotic as she is.

[Fridays Child]

21. I'm pretty sure his action is speaking louder than his words.

It's too bad that you have a problem with the stand he's taking.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

31. What stand? Acting like he's contageious?

The whole point of the program is to discuss different ideas! So what is he saying, ideas shouldn't be debated?

I think it's stupid, and bodes very poorly for a healthy democracy. Do we all have to be segregated into programming like Fox News on the right, or Pacifica on the left? If he can't even sit on the same stage and debate ideas with someone who is outnumbered, he's just another idiot with a kneejerk reaction. He's certainly not advancing healthy discourse.

He's an idiot, imo. And if the truth be known, it's probably just an excuse because there's somewhere else he'd rather be.

[Fridays Child]

40. Nothing that Barry Manilow could ever do would bode poorly or well for democracy.

Chill out. He's a good guy who is rightfully repelled by the likes of Elizabeth Hasselbeck but he just doesn't have that much influence. And, if you can't discern the stand he's taking, that's your problem.

[H2O Man]

43. But he owes us!

I mean, isn't he there to meet our needs?

[Fridays Child]

46. Yes. I've lost the directions to the Copacabana.

Help me, Barry!

[H2O Man]

57. I think he should

consider doing the polka and perhaps some square dancing on the view. Just because it's not his thing doesn't mean he shouldn't do it for his fans. The View is all about diversity of dancing needs. That's what it's all about.

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[provis99]

148. you're a fine one to talk

If you're so interested in debating the other side, why are you posting on an exclusively Democratic website?

[LeFleur1]

189. View

If a view is so stupid it should never see the light of day ( opinions based on false premises to begin with) why should anyone HAVE to tolerate it if they don't want to? I can just not watch, and I don't. Certainly, people who don't want to appear on the show, for a particular reason, have the right not to appear on the show, and the right to say why. I believe we still possess that freedom, don't we?

WE need more citizens like Barry Manilow to stand up to those who have a microphone and spout 'false premise based' opinions.

[Cha]

200. Le Fleur!

:thumbsup: :thumbsup:

[AngryOldDem]

196. A healthy democracy depends on Barry Manilow?

Who knew. :sarcasm:

If Manilow doesn't want to appear on a show for whatever reason, that is his right. And, you can't "debate" with someone like Hasselbeck. Many have tried, though; many have tried. Life is too short to argue with someone who is not willing to listen to anybody's opinions but her own.

[EOTE]

198. But what are the terms of the debate?

It seems to me that having Hasselbeck on the show shifts the whole political spectrum far to the right. With her on the show, someone with the political ideology of Reagan would seem to be the moderate. Granted, if they had someone on the show as far left as Hasselbeck is right, that would balance out the show a bit, but we tend not to have so many crazies on our side.

[spoony]

73. Well, those actions are saying "give me some publicity"

He'll get far more now than he ever would have going on that shrieking mess of a programme.

[CoffeeCat]

172. I totally agree with you...

I am sick and tired of nutjobs who back fascism and warmongering--positioned as just another point of view.

On one hand--we have sanity and truth. And on the other hand--we have those who justify the murder of
innocent people, illegal wars that are based on lies and the destruction of our Constitution.

These insidious ingrates are not "just another point of view" on the opinion wheel. They are ill-informed,
illiterate, Fascist enablers.

People need to react more like Manilow did! We should not share the stage with these sick freaks. We should
be screaming them down and expressing enough outrage to sink a ship.

Enough of this! These people are empowered, because the media gives them "equal time". It's like giving
a pedophile or a serial killer equal time--to explain his views and actions.

Stop this insanity! Manilow did the right thing.

[Cha]

201. Yeah, he did..

Two Sparkles!

[swimmernsecretsea]

179. Sometimes actions *are* words.

I never thought I'd say this, but "Thanks, Barry."

[Cha]

203. As in..

Actions Speak louder and more meaningful than words!

[RestoreGore]

182. If he wanted to take a stand he would go on and counter her views

That's what Democratic dialogue is all about. Sorry, this seems like a publicity stunt to me.

[Cha]

219. I have to disagree on this..

I applaud Barry Manilow for taking a stand against the fascist-wing hasselbeck who literally shouts rush talking points against The View guests who have objections to lies and propoganda.

Barry..you're a sweetheart and :loveya:

[RestoreGore]

222. Sorry, you don't fight fascism by running away from it

You shout louder.

[Cha]

228. No need to be "sorry"..

I think he is "shouting louder".. as in his Action.

What a scholar and :patriot:!

[The Doctor.]

28. That's just his 'View' I guess. Hey... if 'The View' is about 'alternative viewpoints'

then why don't they have someone on that believes the Earth is flat?

After all, all 'Views' are valid, right?

[midlife_mo_Jo]

34. What?

(rolling eyes)

No, all views are not valid, but the world is made up of a lot more gray than you might realize.

His view is to stifle debate on topics that are no so black and white.

[gratuitous]

56. How does refusing to appear constitute a stifle?

I'm a little lost here; just because Mr. Manilow doesn't wish to appear on The View, that hardly constitutes a stifling. Ms. Hasselbeck is perfectly free to continue to hold whatever demented opinions she wants to. Barry Manilow just doesn't want to help her make money.

Oddly enough, for two people who are engaged in an existential struggle, it would appear that Mr. Manilow has a far clearer vision of his enemy than Ms. Hasselbeck does.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

74. Mr. Manilow should do what he wants

I just don't applaud his stance. I don't think it's a particular enlightened one - otherwise we end up with all programming geared for the far right OR far left. How about some honest debate and some discussion of "gray?" :)

[Diane R]

94. Do you actually watch that show? EH shrieks over liberal guests and they never get to talk.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

106. Very few times, in fact.

And in my opinion, THEY ALL SHRIEK!

Too much fluff for me, but that's ok. It is what it is. Apparently, a lot of people like that sort of thing.

[Maraya1969]

167. Remember when that one actress would not shake her hand after EH was so mean

to Rosie? I can't remember her name. But EH has made a lot of enemies on that show.

[Tanuki]

177. It was Alicia Silverstone, and thanks for reminding---I'd nearly forgotten!

http://www.usmagazine.com/afternoon_delights_alicia_silverstone_clearly_on_team_rosie

[gratuitous]

117. But how is he stifling Ms. Hasselback?

I'm still fuzzy on that point you asserted. Because Mr. Manilow doesn't want to engage a nincompoop in pointless bickering, that hardly stifles anything. Or do you consider Ms. Hasselback's stand against g/l/b/t people just a shade of "gray" to be bandied back and forth? Mr. Manilow is not stifling anything; he's just not willing to engage with someone who doesn't recognize his right to exist. Not much gray about it.

[sendero]

170. The problem with your "theory" is...

... that as of now, most TV programming panders to the right, at least 80%. You say "this is one show where there are both sides" well maybe, but if so it's the ONLY show on Fox to do so.

I personally think the left should just stay off of Fox, they are merely USED when they appear, and nobody watching Fox has the intelligence to understand their position anyway. Waste of time.

[The Doctor.]

62. Hasselbeck/bach/whatever thinks Saddam attacked us...

That's not 'black and white' to you?

There is no debate on these issues and if the idiots that spew utter bullshit, proven bullshit don't know enough to shut up we should not humor them.

[Bluebear]

66. 'His view is to stifle debate', yeah, that Barry - what a rabblerouser.

:silly:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

67. So if I turn the TV off because I think it's a stupid fucking show...

with a stupid fucking audience, does that mean I'm stifling debate?

[Bluebear]

72. Yes!!!1 It makes you as lame as Barry!!!11

:crazy:

[midlife_mo_Jo]

78. huh?

No.

But if your idea of television is news and talk geared for the right OR the left, with no discussion between the two sides, I would say I hope most people don't share your view.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

80. So not going to an interview is stifling, not watching the interview isn't?

Is that what you're saying?

[midlife_mo_Jo]

84. FRICK

I'm pointing out that if more people felt like him - as some here seem to think would be a good idea - debate would be stifled.

PERIOD.

Why I am spending time debating the publicity stunt of a two-bit lounge singer is beyond me. This place is obviously addicteding.

Bye!

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

86. So if a bunch of people didn't watch it, it'd be stifling?

"Archie Bunker's Place" got stifled because nobody watched it?

[H2O Man]

88. "two-bit"???

There wouldn't have been an Elvis or the Beatles if it weren't for Barry.

[Dorian Gray]

210. Huh?

Now that's just crazy talk. I believe that the Beatles pre-date Barry Manilow....

His debut albumn was in 1974....

[spanone]

212. hee hee

B-)

[Bluebear]

89. What's addicteding? And Manilow is not a TWO-BIT lounge singer.

Within the last year he has had a number one CD on the bIllboard chart and he sells out the Las vegas Hilton every night.

Do those facts interfere with your hissyfit?

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[Richard Steele]

129. I think the Admins have "tweaked" the board again. They're always adjusting and updating, you know.

If you "hide" your profile, the icon disappears now.
And a search for your name in "user profiles" now
returns no result.

[BostonMa]

118. FRACK!

[springhill]

149. Okay, now the truth come out...............

You just don't like Barry Manilow. You should have just said that in the first place.

[toddaa]

95. No, it means you condone what they say

It least, that's what the conclusion that the "I hate Bill Maher" threads have come to.

[fooj]

69. Elizabeth DOESN'T DO gray.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

71. Actually,

there's probably quite a bit of gray between freeperland (where Elizabeth resides) and DU land. :)

The point is that there is usually a lot of gray in the middle of most topics.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

76. If you're so concerned about the gray in the middle...

why have you taken such an extreme black-and white knee jerk stance?

[Bluebear]

85. She explains above

Evidently "DU Land" is too far left and people should look at the gray area between us and Freeperville.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

105. Actually,

There is a vast middle for a lot of folks on at least some issues.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

132. Well no kidding.

But I'm asking why you're taking such a ridiculously extreme position. (and then failed to defend it, but mostly I'm asking why you stuck your foot in your mouth in the first place.)

[Richard Steele]

130. And that's EXACTLY why there's no point in discussing things with people like her. nm

[Richard Steele]

75. So Mr. Manilow is "stifling" debate here? Please explain to me: how so?

[Donnachaidh]

152. Wow Karnac -- get all that from his statement, did you?

I didn't know Barry Manilow was SUCH a card carrying pinko!

Can you post the mega-million numbers for us? After all, you obviously have such a deep understanding of the mind of Manilow. :sarcasm:

:rofl:

[SidDithers]

37. No, not all views are equally valid...

which is what you seem to be saying. But invalid, outdated or incorrect views should be countered with valid or current views, not left undebated.

Sid

[The Doctor.]

58. Precisely! Which is why we should

give equal time and consideration to the Flat-Earthers as well as the Climate change denialists and those who believe that Saddam attacked us.

Forgive me, devil's advocate here, but Honestly; The media doesn't merely hold up these ridiculous views for scrutiny, they validate them by doing such things as having both Climate Scientists and CEI representatives on a program and they allow the CEI guys to get away with conflating arguments and strawmen making the real scientists look incredible.

Hasslebeck is an idiot, yet they don't rightly treat her as such.

The debate on the spherical Earth is over.
The debate on climate change is over.
The debate about Iraq attacking us is over.

Allowing these ridiculous issues to come up over and over only makes it look like they're valid.

[H2O Man]

61. I would add

the "debate" over Mayweather vs De La Hoya with the others you mention.

[ooglymoogly]

180. Fer sher dude or dudess....just put every dumb

cluck jerk on who is able to blather insanely about flat earth theories and you have dumb show and noise. What about those looking for clever banter and smart dialog without the idiocy who do not appreciate being dumbed down. Three cheers for BM

[keith the dem]

44. Her "views' are a threat to his whole being.

He is right to take a stand. Even arguing with such a bigoted hateful person gives some dignity to their "viewpoint".

His stand makes the point that such hate talk is no longer acceptable, just as racists using the "N" word, or neo-nazi denying the Holocaust.

[Cha]

143. Precisely! Lyin' hatemongering

is what hasselbeck is proficient at and she has that screaming over anyone else who's trying to talk.. down, too.

When Barbara finally gets fed up with her she can always go to fauxnoise where they'd welcome her with open arms if they're still around.

[The Backlash Cometh]

51. Or, Manilow is expressing himself in a manner that is protected by the First

Amendment. Speech isn't just written word.

[Carolina]

52. no it's not

If there are no celebrities because of her,
the show loses ratings.
If the show loses ratings because of her,
either it or she will get canned.

Manilow countered her in a very good way -- financially.
He doesn't need an appearance on The View to make money,
but The View needs people like him (broad popular appeal) for ratings
If more celebs follow his lead, the lost ratings, and ergo revenue, will make that vile and dangerous wingnut toast

[Diane R]

98. I totally agree with you.

[tilsammans]

113. Agree totally . . .

Go, Barry! :applause:

(Of all the bubble-headed beach-blonde ding-a-ling Valley Girl wingnuts on TV, EH is by far the most insufferable. And she probably gets the most airtime, unfortunately.)

[Horse with no Name]

140. Exactly.

When we finally stop giving these fascists a voice, they will shut up. Rush, Hasslebeck, Hannity, O'Reilley, et al...When advertisers stop advertising and guests stop appearing on guest shows because of their lies, maybe things will get better.

[mitchtv]

217. Precisely

Thank you

[OzarkDem]

63. Ooops!

Sounds like you're on the wrong forum, hon! This is the "Democratic" Underground.

[devilgrrl]

127. Yeah, you're so right....

[LynneSin]

141. I wish more people were like Barry Manilow especially some of our politicians

we should not be catering to these conservative nut jobs. I'm glad that Barry took a stance against Hasslebeck and I think more should do the same. Personally I don't care that there is a conservative viewpoint on 'The View' but Hasslebeck attacked another person (O'Donnell) and I think that is so wrong.

Hell get rid of Hasslebeck and bring back Star Jones

[JeanGrey]

153. I agree it is stupid.

Is this a publicity stunt?

[Maraya1969]

166. Any person that justifies bush's actions on 9/11, (sitting in that classroom for 7 minutes)

by saying "he didn't want to scare the children" should not be on TV. If she was sitting in front of the same children and someone whispered in her ear that her family was just in a horrible car accident do you think she would sit there like a stump because she didn't want to scare the children?

Those kind of stupid things she says are dangerous. I'm sure there were people who just accepted her explanation of that day as just another way to not hold this president responsible for his behavior.

Not only that she would not support Rossie when Fox insisted that she said our soldiers were terrorists. She obviously agreed with Fox. And to imply that Rossie O'Donnell says our soldiers are terrorists is dangerous not to mention ignorant and mean spirited.

She is a right winged whore and I would love to see her fired.

[BlueEyedSon]

195. See, even you don't know where the MIDDLE is anymore.

Hasselbeck is a moronic lying shill who deserves NO airtime.

[scorpiogirl]

2. Love it!

Elisabeth is a vile and sub-human P.O.S. I agree with Barry!

[monmouth]

3. Dear Barry, I love you more today than yesterday....Is that a song????

[BOSSHOG]

12. But not as much as tomorrow

[AlCzervik]

4. i can't wait for Colbert to cover this.

[Libby2]

49. Me either. n/t

[Laurab]

154. Barry Manilow will be on TCR on Tuesday

I'm not a fan, but I have to say, this gives me a new appreciation of him! Anyone who will appear on Colbert twice, and refuse Elizabeth is ok by me. My sister loves him, and I'm always making fun of her, but it appears there's more substance to him than I thought.

[Beausoir]

5. Wow! Barry Manilow? Good for him.

[Toucano]

6. Strange

Why would he "pull out" rather than not agreeing to it in the first place.

Weird.

[americanstranger]

39. It's likely that management booked it as part of a full itinerary...

...and submitted to him on the eve of the publicity tour. These things are generally not approved one by one, they're booked as a full tour and the artist reviews it and scotches the ones he doesn't want to do.

- as

[Toucano]

50. Ah, that explains it. n/t

[babylonsister]

7. If more people took a stance, maybe she wouldn't be getting the

airtime she does. I cannot watch her.

[pollo poco]

185. Barry is right

If no celebrities appear on FOX, then no one will watch. Some say that Barry should nail the Neocon Bimbo to the wall, but he's a singer, not a TeeVee personality. These days, to be interviewed you have to yell. Why would Barry want to do that?

People who want to support the restoration of our democracy should not appear on FOX. Celebrates who want to raise the standards of TeeVee debate above that of a stupid schoolyard shoutfest should not participate in these programs. It's a trap.

We pressured the dem candidates to stay away from FOX, because we do not want to legitimize our enemies. If Manilow has (correctly) identified FOX as the enemy of our nation, or (correctly) as the enemy of his friend O'Donnell, then he should not appear there.

Its called integrity. If people would show some, FOX would be over. And on that subject: why are we watching FOX? Why are we helping them with their evil empire? Show some class, like Barry. Refuse to participate.

By the way, I have never been a big fan of Manilow, but I know two people who have toured with him (a musician and a wardrobe technician). They both speak very well of him. It seems integrity is personality trait that Manilow actually possesses in abundance. His public stand is consistent with the way he runs his organization, and the way he treats people. I'm sure the same is true of Hasselbeck. No one should talk to her at all until she learns some manners. No one should listen to her either. One poster is complaining that not tuning in will stifle the debate. But that poster watches too much TeeVee. The View does not offer debate. What it does offer- a fake debate, framed by a fascist network, for the express purpose of promoting fascism - should be stifled, once and for all.

Friends don't let friends watch FOX.
Go Barry- you make me proud. I'll buy your record, just like I bought the Dixie Chicks'!

[toadzilla]

8. haha awesome!

[graywarrior]

9. I just became a fan.

[Maccagirl]

10. Good for you, Mr. Manilow

I totally agree-even Whoopi can't save the show while Hasselbeck is around.
I guess it's time to start a "Favorite Barry Manilow Song" thread.
Mine: Weekend In New England.

[CatWoman]

11. He writes the songs...........

:)

[rsdsharp]

22. All except that one.

Bruce Johnston wrote it!

[shanti]

25. hee hee!

:hi:

[CatWoman]

59. would you please tell Sharpe we don't care who wrote it

that song is Barry's, ALONE!!! :)

:hi:

[Lex]

13. Elizabeth is a nut bucket & Baba Walter's husband (the producer of the show)

is Elizabeth's biggest fan, and feeds her all sort of Fox News-esque crap to say on the air.

Barry Manilow is right to say no thanks.

[LiberalHeart]

14. I didn't know Babs is married. What's the hubby's name?

[Lex]

16. Bill Geddie.

Maybe they haven't officially married but they are couple from the impression I've gotten from what I've read. (PS, I've been wrong before, so . . . )

[LiberalHeart]

20. Oh my. I just googled him. What a piece of work he is. Neo con to his bones.

[Lex]

27. When Rosie found out Geddie was "coaching" Elizabeth

behind the scenes, that's when she dumped the show before her contract expired.

[earth mom]

33. Wow, thanks for the info! Guess that's why Sherry Shepherd was hired-she has rethugish views too.

:puke:

[Diane R]

99. Yes...they were feeding EH her words in her earpiece on Rosie's last day during the feud.

[meowomon]

190. Mr. Walters

[Zodiak]

48. Thanks

I was waiting for someone to mention that Hasselbeck is not spouting her own opinions, but those provided for her every morning. Rosie can tetify to this.

Hasselbeck is a propagandist....not an woman with a "view".

And that is why Barry Manilow is right and the poster above who doesn't like what Barry is doing is dead wrong. No one should treat a paid propagandist as an honest debator.

[DesertRat]

135. Barbara Walters is not married

And not with Bill Gedde who is at least 30 years her junior. I've watched the View for years and have never had the impression that they are together. In fact I think he's married.

[Lex]

137. He's a neo-con and close business partner & associate of many years of

Barbara Walters.

I thought they were a couple.

Turns out they are a couple--a couple of jackasses.

He feeds Elizabeth Hasslebeck her neo-con spew on air. Barbara lets it him do it. Yuck.

[Mad_Dem_X]

15. Good for Barry! n/t

[yardwork]

17. Good for Barry Manilow!

[jumpoffdaplanet]

18. Wish Whoopi had the same guts

When I heard she'd agreed to join it was so disappointing.

[driver8]

23. Elizabeth isn't "dangerous".

She might be a right wing crackpot, but she certainly isn't dangerous.

Manilow should have gone on the show and hammered her with facts. Let her spew her bullshit and look like the idiot that she is.

On the other hand, I don't think I would be able to sit there and listen to that dipshit without losing my temper. Maybe he's trying to prevent a potential problem.

[MonkeyFunk]

26. Yep

he should go on and fight her. That's what you do with people like that - you don't hide from them.

[azmouse]

32. otoh... if everyone refused to go on that show because of her

they would have to take her off the air or cancel the show. It's a good way to shut her up.

[MonkeyFunk]

53. Why should she be forced off the air?

Just because you disagree with her?

Like it or not, she represents the views of a fair number of people. We need to show them a better way.

[truebrit71]

82. No we don't. Fuck 'em. Fire 'em all for spreading lies and hatred....

...besides how can you debate a parrot? That bubblehead is incapable of forming a rational thought without being spoon-fed her opinion first...

I'd really like to take the high road with you, but I am sick and tired of playing by the rules when all of the loudest mouthpieces simply spew right-wing propaganda and we 'traitorous un-American liberals' get to turn the other cheek...

Fuck that.

That time has passed.

[Binka]

123. Love You

:hi: :loveya:

Liz the parrot. Fuck that bird indeed.

[stillrockin]

147. Amen to that.

I'm with Barry on this one. I can't stand the sight of her. I agree that she is a dangerous demagogue, spewing her fear-based propaganda.

[frylock]

192. word up!!

too many people around don't understand that you cannot talk to these people; they won't LISTEN!! It's dog eat cat, and people need to stop pretending the other side has any intention of fighting fairly.

[Maccagirl]

115. They've been shown a better way time and time again

and they not only choose to believe what they believe-they choose to demonize and denigrate in the extreme anyone who doesn't agree with them. I've had it and I'm not taking it anymore. Debate and dialogue hasn't worked and so the only other choice is to simply ignore.

[SidDithers]

38. I couldn't agree more...

debate her and let the world see her for the nutbar that she is.

Sid

[Diane R]

102. But there is no 'debating' her....she simply starts talking and won't take a breath.

[Generator]

64. Not personally of course but propaganda

and outright lies (I've watched her on and off for a few years) are dangerous to the mind and soul. She NEVER in all my years watching has EVER had an opinion that deviated from the talking points of the day-she is basically a very pretty Sean Hannity.

I'm sure his point is mine-it's just yuck on your soul to be around those that influence millions in an unhealthy way. Lies are unhealthy. They have helped to ruin this country. So define dangerous-without people like her making propaganda acceptable, it wouldn't be. I also don't think ANYONE should ever go on FOX news. I mean anyone. Imagine if voice after voice said no, I will not legitimize your state approved propaganda. It is dangerous. Without it-Bush wouldn't be president.

[Dr. Strange]

79. Propaganda and lies may be dangerous to the mind and soul,

but unchallenged propaganda and lies are far, far worse.
Be an adult, Barry, and take a real stand!

(Okay, I never thought I'd be saying that to Barry Manilow, but there you go.)

[JVS]

126. Imagine the ignominy of being told out debated by Barry Manilow!

[stanwyck]

184. Yes, she is.

Giving racism, sexism, anti-intellectualism, religious intolerance, and homophobia a benign blonde presence is dangerous. Elisabeth is a bigot who isn't Bubba. She's not fat. She's somewhat educated. She dresses well. And she gives her intolerance a certain acceptable glamour.
That's what is dangerous.
You think she's just a stuffed animal, sitting on the bed.
She's not. People pay attention to her and repeat her comments as "news". "I heard on the news...". No, you heard a blonde bigot spewing lies through her sorority girl facade.

[in_cog_ni_to]

24. Barbara would be wise to get rid of that little Psycho worshiper. When guests refuse to appear

because of her, she's got a problem.

Go Barry!

[Lex]

29. Yeah, but her co-producer, Bill Geddie, is a right wing nut

and adores Elizabeth and feeds her half of the BS she spews.

[Cameron27]

108. Yeah, I read your post upstream,

that's just offensive to Rosie. RW talking points from Babs' main squeeze ick.

[BattyDem]

30. I have ADORED Barry for years ...

and now I have yet another reason to love him! :loveya:

[RavensChick]

114. You're not alone!

Good for him! He can promote his CD elsewhere (Ellen would be a great place to start), and as for the View--what view? All I see are 5 women with nothing else better to do in their careers getting together on national TV and spewing all kinds of garbage. That's why I'm glad I'm at work every day so I don't have to see that mess!

[lpbk2713]

35. WTG Barry

Barry doesn't just talk the talk. He has given his time and money to Dem causes.

Link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/30/politics/main523692.shtml

[earth mom]

36. Go Barry! More celebrities should follow his lead!

:applause:

[2rth2pwr]

41. I'm surprised. Barry always seemed like such a tough

guy.

[Cha]

205. And turns out..

he is.

[UnyieldingHierophant]

42. jesus christ

what a tool

[Bluebear]

65. oh DO go on and enlighten us beyond a couple words?

[Binka]

125. They Are EVERYWHERE BB

They are so articulate to boot.

[Bluebear]

159. So how's DU's favorite son doing?

[Puglover]

168. And this thread

is crawling with them. :scared:

[earth mom]

202. A tool? You're referring to dangerous and offensive Elisabeth of course.

:evilgrin:

[Cha]

206. I know...elizabeth fucking hasselbeck

is such a fucking tool! It's just wants to make ya call the savior's name.

[Arugula Latte]

45. I'm kind of glad he's pointing out her suckiness, but

it would have been better if he'd just said a few things to her face.

[pattymcq]

131. well....

He can't do that now, remember she is pregnant, so she gets away with spouting her lies no matter what. He would be the BAD GUY if he did that. My sister calls me all the time now and tells me she HATES that Elizabeth, and my sister is not political AT ALL. She is worse than ever this year in my opinion, anytime Bill Clinton is mentioned she gets this UGLY expression on her face....it's awful. If she could only see herself. I love Whoopi but the show is NOT the same as last year. Oh well. Ellen is MUCH BETTER!

[Longhorn]

150. Welcome to DU!

Yes, Ellen's great! :hi:

[Cha]

207. I see you've been here a

couple a years but Welcome to DU, patty!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

47. I respect his right not to deal with the rabid little wingnut.

Not everyone wants, nor has the patience, to deal with such people in a public setting.

If he thinks it's best that he not address her on The View, I can respect that.

I'll take it a step further, if every celebrity who disagrees with her were to refuse to go on the show, it would go off the air. They bank of her being controversial.

[truebrit71]

54. Wow!!! Excellent!! I hate that little bushbot breeder...

..anyone that fucking stupid shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a microphone...

[soothsayer]

55. i hated her on survivor, and hate her more now. and her husband is the sucky brother

[janetle]

70. of our Seahawks quarterback

Is this what you were going to say? Matt is a bushbot, too.

[Diane R]

104. Yes...Matt Hasselbeck is a bushbot, too. He gave gwb a Seahawks jersey and Seattle fans were livid.

[Castleman]

193. yes, but suckiness and being a loser goes with being a SeaChicken fan...

and the only reason Matt has the job is because he's got pictures of Holmgren blowing a goat...

[Hand]

60. Colbert's going to have fun with this!

Right after he finishes blasting Tony Bennett for beating him out for the Emmy (not to mention Jon Stewart)! :rofl:

[Laurab]

155. Manilow is going to be a "surprise" guest I think tomorrow

Colbert will now have double fun I think!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

68. Sherri Shepard isn't much better- she changes the subject from politics and is a total bubblehead.

"When they were talking politics she interrupted and said "Let's not talk about that people don't want to hear about THAT - let's talk about something pleasant instead" the subject was then changed to some b.s. topic. She seemed like a total bubblehead.

The rest of the show was turned into some nice little "dumbed down" ladies tea party - which is what Babs wants to have from now on - I guess.

In fairness, I only watched once when she was on. She actually disgusted me more than Elizabeth - because at least Elizabeth wants to speak about some important issues - misguided as her opinions are.

[Cha]

213. Maybe Barbara should

rethink that whole hiring Sherry thing?

[earth mom]

215. Sherry made a snide comment about Gore and that's when I knew she was a thug.

I was pissed off when they dissed Rosie so badly but decided to watch the show again when Whoopi came on. However, when they hired Sherry a few days later-there was no way in hell! :puke:

[Mike Daniels]

77. IOW, Barry thinks the publicity generated by this stand will sell more records

than if he went on "The View" in the first place.

I guess Barry got tired of only being remembered by the general public when the term "washed up hack" was used. With this one simple statement Manilow has already up-ed his short term visibility 100-fold to what it would have been if he had appeared on the show.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

81. ROFLMAO

:evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin: :evilgrin:

:yourock: (Something BM never did! haha)

[Name removed]

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[Bluebear]

83. You are SADLY misinformed on this one, Mikey.

Manilow has been selling out at the Las Vegas Hilton and is far from a "washed up hack". Also, his "The Greatest Songs of the Fifties" CD debuted at number ONE on the Billboard charts.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

87. Didn't he also win an Emmy or something - Colbert always talks about that.

n/t

[Bluebear]

93. He won Emmy's back in the day. Here's his body of work since 2000:

In the beginning of the new century Manilow had two specials, Manilow Country and Manilow Live!, taped over two consecutive days at the Tennessee Performing Arts Center in Nashville, Tennessee. On April 11, 2000, The Nashville Network (TNN) aired the two-hour Manilow Country, which featured country stars Trisha Yearwood, Neal McCoy, Deana Carter, Jo Dee Messina, Lorrie Morgan, Kevin Sharp, Lila McCann, Gillian Welch and Jaci Velasquez singing their favorite Manilow hits with a "country" twist. Manilow performed as well. The special was TNN's first high definition broadcast and became one of TNN's highest rated concert specials.

In June 2000, DirectTV aired the two-hour concert special Manilow Live! where Manilow had his band, a 30-piece orchestra, and a choir. This HDTV special documented his most recent concert tour with the greatest hits of his career and was released to video.

In 2000 he also worked with Monica Mancini on her Concord album The Dreams of Johnny Mercer which included seven songs Manilow wrote to Mercer's lyrics.

Meanwhile, Manilow's record contract with Arista Records was not renewed due to new management. He then got a contract at Concord Records, a jazz-oriented label in California, and started work on the long-anticipated concept album, Here at the Mayflower. The album was another eclectic mix of styles, almost entirely composed and produced by Manilow himself.

Whilst at Concord Records, The Barry Manilow Scholarship was awarded for four consecutive years from 2002 to 2005 to the six highest-achieving students to reward excellence in the art and craft of lyric writing. The UCLA Extension course "Writing Lyrics That Succeed and Endure," taught by long time Manilow collaborator Marty Panzer and each student received three additional "master class" advanced sessions as well as a three-hour private, one-on-one session with Mr. Panzer. Scholarship recipients were selected by the instructor based on progress made within the course, lyric writing ability, and the instructor's assessment of real potential in the field of songwriting.<34>

In February 2002, Manilow's recording career bounced back into the charts when Arista released a greatest hits album Ultimate Manilow. On May 18, 2002,

Manilow returned to CBS with Ultimate Manilow his first special at the network since his 1988 Big Fun on Swing Street special. The special was filmed in the Kodak Theatre in Hollywood, California and was nominated for an Emmy in the category of "Outstanding Music Direction".<35>

Produced by Manilow, Bette Midler Sings the Rosemary Clooney Songbook was first released on September 30, 2003. It was the first time that Bette Midler had worked with Barry in more than twenty years. Instantly successful, the album went gold and they worked together again on a 2005 follow-up album entitled Bette Midler Sings the Peggy Lee Songbook.

On December 3, 2003, A&E aired A Barry Manilow Christmas: Live by Request, his second of two concerts for the series. The two-hour special had Manilow taking requests for Christmas songs performed live with a band and an orchestra. Also on the special were guests Cyndi Lauper, Jose Feliciano, and Bette Midler.

2004 saw the release of two albums. These were, consecutively, a live album, 2 Nights Live! (BMG Strategic Marketing Group, 2004), and Scores: Songs from Copacabana & Harmony, an album of Manilow singing his musicals songs were both released in 2004. Scores was the last of Manilow's creative project with the Concord label.

During his third appearance on The Oprah Winfrey Show on September 15, 2004, Winfrey announced that Manilow is one of the most requested guests of all time on her show. On the show he promoted his One Night Live! One Last Time! tour explaining it wouldn't be his last performance, but the last one where he tours six months on the road with trucks and buses, but he will still come to the big cities. On his final tour he played at sold out venues in 22 cities in which he performed for 250,000 fans and promoted his then latest album. It was around this time period where Manilow appeared for the first time on the mainstream FOX program American Idol in which his back-up singer, Debra Byrd, doubles as voice coach on the series. It was also during this period that several in the media felt the meteoric rise of Idol runner-up Clay Aiken and the constant comparisons of him to Manilow caused the revitalization of Manilow's career in the mainstream with a lot of younger music listeners learning of Manilow by way of the comparisons of Clay Aiken to him. Manilow appeared on Aiken's TV special, A Clay Aiken Christmas. It was reported that Manilow often introduced himself to younger audiences as an older Clay Aiken. Typically introducing himself like this: 'I'm Barry Manilow...this is what Clay Aiken will look like in 30 years'.

Las Vegas Hilton executives in a press conference with Manilow on December 14, 2004 announced his signing to a long-term engagement as the house show.<36> In March 2006, Manilow's engagement was extended through 2008.<37>

Manilow returned to Arista Records under the guidance of Davis for a new album of cover versions released on January 31, 2006 called The Greatest Songs of the Fifties. Manilow said he was blown away with the idea, which Davis presented to him when he visited his Las Vegas show. "When he suggested this idea to me, I slapped my forehead and said, 'Why hasn't anyone thought of this idea?'" Manilow said. "But of course there is only one Clive Davis. I feel honored and terribly fortunate to be working with him again after all these years. It's like coming home."<38> The album included classic songs from that decade, like "Are You Lonesome Tonight?" and "Unchained Melody". It was an unexpected hit, debuting at number one in the Billboard 200, marking the first time a Manilow album debuted at the top of the album chart as well as the first time a Manilow album has reached number one in 29 years. It was eventually certified Platinum in the U.S., and sold over three million copies worldwide.

In March 2006, PBS aired Barry Manilow: Music and Passion, a Hilton concert taped exclusively for the network's fundraising drive. Manilow was nominated for two Emmys, winning for "Outstanding Individual Performance in a Variety or Music Program".

A sequel album to his best-selling fifties tribute album, The Greatest Songs of the Sixties was released on October 31, 2006 including songs such as "And I Love Her" and "Can't Help Falling in Love". It nearly repeated the success of its predecesor, debuting at #2 in the Billboard 200.

In January 2007, Manilow returned to his hometown of New York City for three shows at Madison Square Garden. One highlight was the showing onscreen of Manilow performing in one of his first television appearances while the "live" Manilow played along onstage. In July 2007, it was revealed that Manilow will release a CD spotlighting the decade he became a super-star: the 1970s. The Greatest Songs of the Seventies is set to be released September 18, 2007.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Manilow

[Mike Daniels]

100. I'l admit that sales figures indicate that Manilow apparently still appeals to a certain market

but I'm reasonably sure that those are the people he'd reach anyway by appearing on The View. The very fact that he was booked to appear to begin with shows that publicists for his label feel that their target market watches that progrm.

I'll stick by my statement that by issuing this statement Manilow has already increased awareness of his product well beyond anything The View would have accomplished.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

109. Agreed.

I spent my younger days seeing groups like The Rolling Stones, The Who, Crosby, Stills, Nash (and Young), Bruce Springsteen, etc. I even saw Elvis, but he was definitely "washed up" by that point. :( Barry Manilow just wasn't high up on most college kids' list of "must see."

I didn't like BM's music back then, and I certainly haven't changed my opinion.

[Bluebear]

112. So this is all about his music, not his "stifling debate"?

[spoony]

96. precisely.

People here are rightly quick to condemn the way media manipulates people, but so many have fallen flat on their faces for a publicity stunt. If it was genuinely felt, he wouldn't have been lined up for the show in the first place.

Next thing you know he'll be in a flame war with Trump.

[midlife_mo_Jo]

107. Good one!

[AlCzervik]

90. welcome to flamewar 3,456,900.

[orleans]

91. i agree that bitch is "dangerous and offensive"

then why was he on with her before? wasn't she dangerous and offensive last year?

[AlCzervik]

97. maybe he was on before the Rosie dust up and maybe he decided after seeing it

he was all done?

[porphyrian]

92. I don't know how dangerous she is, but kudos to Manilow for not being a whore. - n/t

[spoony]

101. btw, if her conservatism is so dangerous, why is he supporting Ron Paul?

[AlCzervik]

111. he's all over the place with his political contributions.

go figure.
http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=CA&last=manilow&first=barry

[Laurab]

156. He's supporting Ron Paul, Hillary, Obama, Biden, and Edwards

Ron Paul doesn't have a chance, so he's apparently just trying to give the only somewhat sensible repuke support. He gave the maximum to all of the above candidates. He also frequently contributes to Barbara Boxer.

I never did like Barry Manilow and I doubt I'll ever be a fan of his music, but it's nice to see that he has some substance - I never would have guessed.

[AtomicKitten]

116. "I write the songs that make the whole world cringe."

[depakid]

119. Now THAT'S what we need to hear more often- from many people

My own personal thoughts (that I've expressed to people over and over) is that I won't even sit on the same train or eat in the same restaurant with some of these people- and indeed, there's a particular local media whore who I saw at a nearby table and walked out (after apologizing to the waitress).

Fortunately, my SO understood and we went somewhere else and enjoyed a nice meal.

[Raine]

120. GOOD for Barry

he has certainly gone up in my opinion of him. :thumbsup:

[Crabby Appleton]

122. Yay Elizabeth - I'm for anyone that can keep Barry from "singing".

you go girl!!1!1

[MasonJar]

124. I have only watched the program a couple of times on DU videos

and I must say that she was not only obnoxious, but also pervasive. She did not let anyone get a ward in and since I disagreed with everything she said, I found the program a dud. I would be happy to give The View another chance some time if they get rid of Elizabeth.

[John Kerry VonErich]

128. Barry Manilow is a hypocrite

If he can be on the show with Hasslebeck twice before, he can do this. Plus, once again his reasoning is a political KKK style tactic that I never liked in any wing (don't mean to call for a flame war, but I have to say it) that if someone doesn't like their opinions, they refuse to be around them.

[Bluebear]

145. yes, when I think of Manilow, I automatically think "KKK"!

:silly:

[John Kerry VonErich]

160. Note I didn't say KKK in general as in racist

I said , meaning keep em seperated. I just thought it was dumb to think like that.

[Tarheel_Dem]

151. Another "newbie" heard from......

It's like an infestation.

[John Kerry VonErich]

161. And you are judging me because of my post count?

nt

[Quantess]

208. Yep. Almost all the old timers judge the newbies by their post count.

I was treated with suspicion, too. It's like being jumped into a gang, LOL.

But the suspicion is often well founded. When you see SO many new DUers get their tombstones before they reach 100 posts, you really can't blame us! You start thinking "how long will this one last?"

[Tarheel_Dem]

216. thanks for verbalizing much better than I could.....

I am very suspicious these days because there's been a large influx of newbies lately. And usually they're bashing one Democrat or another fresh out of the gate....

[John Kerry VonErich]

225. Never meant to sound too harsh.

I just wanna know if we are people of inclusion or are we seperatists. I don't mean to sound suspicious, but I never believe that someone should take the ball and go home because someone has a different belief system. Thats all I was trying to say. Sorry for being harsh there.

[Quantess]

229. We were all newbies at one time.

I haven't been here that long compared to other DUers. I remember being called a troll or a freep a couple of times because someone misread my post. You have to choose words carefully when you have a low post count, so that you aren't misunderstood or misjudged.

[Forkboy]

232. I'm a seperatist that includes others.

It's DU...be harsh all you want. :)

[uppityperson]

133. Who the heck is "Elizabeth"? nt

[goodhue]

134. woo hoo

way to go barry

[tishaLA]

136. "Barry Manilow" and "Pulls Out"....

What are two phrases you never thought you'd see in the same sentence, Alex?

[Bluebear]

158. Could you explain??

[femrap]

138. I hope he starts a trend....

I quit watching the View because of her....she is just TOO Righty Tighty.

Good for Barry!

Believe it or not....but her parents are hippies....let's hope her children become a thorn in her side!!! lol.

[Horse with no Name]

139. I have a confession

I have always LOVED Barry Manilow. :loveya:
I knew there was a reason I was still buying his music after all these years.

[LynneSin]

142. I have his greatest hits CD on my player

I love his music

[DesertRat]

157. My daughter and I went to see Barry in concert

He puts on a fantastic show. :)

[ShortnFiery]

164. Yes, my husband just loves his songs. I make fun of mainstream, but it's *true* Barry Manilow

is a National Treasure.

We need our mainstream, but highly talented singers and bands to help us feel "good inside" when we're low.

Like "Air Supply," a band my husband loves, they are NOT "my thing" but I smile and admit that they are highly talented.

You're alright by me Barry Manilow! :applause: :grouphug:

Like "Hey man, he makes the songs that make the whole world sing!" :P

[MadBadger]

144. This is stupid.

I'd have more respect if he went on there and debated her, showing why she is dangerous and offensive.

[Cha]

214. Oh I'm sorry..

who cares?

[mitchtv]

218. maybe he,s not a debater

He wants to sell records. Maybe he's no wonk , but he knows enough about showbiiz to not let her on the stage with him

[MadBadger]

221. I dont like the kind of person to make an accusation and not have the balls to back it up.

[mitchtv]

230. let her share the Kleeg lights

with Kelsey Grammar ,or Patricia Heaton. Sorry Barry doesn't meet your standards. Accusation? more like fact. He finds her offensive- his right, dangerous? well , his right.He made the conditions Walters couldn't meet them.

[Maat]

146. Go, Barry!

I approve of your decision wholeheartedly!

[Festivito]

162. RW spewers are dangerous. Look what they've done to our country.

And it is very difficult to answer their randomly picked rants, because they lie, they word them strangely, and no human can keep abreast of everything.

Dealing with someone being fed talking points is like going to a knife fight only to find the opponent is packing several different guns. They may not know how to shoot straight, but with enough pot shots you might get hurt, and you'll certainly look bad.

An example: Back to Al Gore. RW talking points had Gore lying three times. All three so-called lies were naught, but with three pot shots by some RW "journalist" and his RW talking points some Dem fell for it and WE ALL regret what was said after that. Especially now knowing what has happened to our America.

Indeed, RW talking point spewers are dangerous.

[B Calm]

165. Right on!

[ShortnFiery]

163. Good for Barry!

Looks like "he made it!" (His statement Re: Kool-aid Drinker Elizabeth) ;) :applause: :thumbsup:

[youthere]

169. Oh Barry…Well you won’t sit with Hasseltwit talkin’...

Oh Barry…Well you won’t sit with Hasseltwit talkin’
Well she drove you away oh Barry
That “View” chick needs to pack and start walkin'
And I need you today Oh Barry.

[crikkett]

171. I feel all smug

because I don't know who the heck 'Elizabeth' is!

[stubtoe]

183. Me neither. I'm smiling ear to ear

because this is one of the funniest and silliest of threads I've ever read.

[Cha]

209. You're actually lucky..but

the point is Democracy and whether the fascists are gonna take over or NOT.

I've never seen the View when the idiot is on but I read DU extensively and Barry Manilow is rfo, imo.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

173. "At the Cuckoo, Cuckoo Bananas..."

:silly:

[Catchawave]

174. I read this morning he didn't want to be *interviewed* by her

any of the other ladies were fine, but the producers refused his request. I think he specifically requested Joy Behar because they're old friends.

I'm going to order his album now :evilgrin:

[Buns_of_Fire]

175. Who'd have imagined that a Barry Manilow thread on GD would've been so popular?

Barry. Da MAN! :thumbsup:

Of COURSE I agree with him! Life's too short to spend any portion of it around dipsticks like Lizzie.

[shaniqua6392]

176. I am going to order his album right now.

Elizabeth is the only reason that I will never watch that show. I hope she goes on maternity leave soon and never comes back. Maybe then I would give the show a try. Way to go Barry Manilow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[defendandprotect]

178. Agree -- Eliz is the right-wing propagandist here, shutting everyone else off ---

I would have tuned in now and then to see Rose and to see if anyone was succeeding in having any liberal comments actually aired!!!

I would tune in to see Goldberg . . . . but you can't hear anything because of Eliz --

This WOULD be one of the few places where you could see women making political comment, but they keep trying to turn it into a right-wing crossfire zoon.

Geddie . . . huh? No wonder!

[eppur_se_muova]

181. Never liked his music, but will happily toast to him as a conscientious democrat. nt

[Jeff In Milwaukee]

186. 185 Posts on a Barry Manilow thread...

strange days, indeed!

[Buns_of_Fire]

223. Yeah, ain't it neat?

Who knows, maybe Barry ("Da MAN!") will do a cover of "Strange Days" when he releases his next "Hits of the 70's" album! (Well, if Pat Boone can cover "Stairway to Heaven", why not?) ;-)

Strange Days have found us
Strange Days have tracked us down
But please don't be scared
I've stood there, too
Between survival
And The Right Thing To Do...

(Boy, if that combination doesn't jerk your brain around!)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

187. I Applaud Barry Manilow....

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is the anti-Christ –the top five reasons why!

Elizabeth will be the reason America is attacked in the future
1) She has the life experience of a dust ball
2) She is the reason Americans support terrorist 24 hours convenience stores
You too –we all pour money into these stores – I mean Wal-Mart doesn’t have as many employees as these tiny stores –wake up people
3) She is the reason why many people still support Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez’s gas stations –even as he just changed the name of many of them knowing we American sheep are so arrogant and secure that we won’t notice
4) She is the reason why China poisons our children’s toy’s and food and play’s mock war games at sea with Russia and opens stores for research in every American neighborhood
5) She is the reason why all the above is ignored while non- threatening African Americans or made the enemy – when was the last time they formed a coop?

BONUS - 6) -She is the reason global warming is ignored in this country
Elisabeth sits on a deck in a meticulously manicured suburban yard sipping wine by the water unaware of the big picture as she host yet another garden party!

[budibudinski]

188. Manilow Pulls Out....Doesn't Like The View..

of Hasselback.
or Hassels back.
or Bassels hack.

I don't like her either, Barry Manilow.

[Beelzebud]

191. Good for him. No one has to visit with people they don't like.

[Forkboy]

194. "Kick ass" and Barry Manilow are two terms I thought I'd never see together.

But for Barry to do this kicks ass. :)

And what's with all the yobbos on this thread? DU needs to clean up the mess that it's becoming.

[Cha]

226. "yobbos".. seem to think

that Barry Manilow is "chicken" but he's one of the least chicken of all.

Barry Manilow :patriot:

[Forkboy]

231. Give it up for the B. Man.!

:D

[AngryOldDem]

197. And everyone laughs when I tell them I'm a Manilow fan. n/t

[Carrieyazel]

199. I understand Barry's correct "view" but please: Elizabeth Hasselpuke?? Who cares!

[Cha]

204. Sorry, but you have to "care"

about dangerous rush robots with a national mic.

[hisownpetard]

211. Over 200 posts! Who knew? n/t

[tigereye]

220. I think she is awful

good for him!

:thumbsup:

[JerseygirlCT]

224. Dangerous gives her way too much credit

She's an idiot, and I doubt anyone takes her seriously.

[Liberalynn]

227. Way to Go Manilow!!!

Hey I loved Mandy! ;)