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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:13 PM
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Nancy w/ DCCC is asking me for money again.
here is my response:


September 17, 2007
DCCC
430 South Capital, SE
Washington DC 20003

RE: DONATIONS

Dear Speaker Pelosi,

By my count, I have received 12 requests for donations from your organization. Prior to the November 2006 elections, I was easily convinced that funding the DCCC was not only a worthy cause, but something I could and should do. And I acted accordingly.

I no longer feel that way. Ever since you “took impeachment off of the table” I have taken away my support of the DCCC. It will remain that way until and unless you change your position on the impeachment of the two biggest criminals in Washington, Dick Cheney and George Bush.

Either you support the US Constitution, with all of its clauses, obligations, powers, and responsibilities accorded to members elected as Article One parties, or you should resign from from the speaker’s office, as well as your congressional office. In case you have forgotten what the Constitution requires of you,

“THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES SHALL CHUSE THEIR SPEAKER AND OTHER OFFICERS; AND SHALL HAVE THE SOLE POWER OF IMPEACHMENT”

This is not described as a “political” decision, weighing the travesty that affected Bill Clinton and his administration. This is not a suggestion to be discussed over tea while flying back to San Francisco. This is not some intellectual curiosity to be ignored. According to Section 4 of Article 2, the president and the vice president SHALL BE REMOVED for treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors.

This White House illegally spied on you and me. This White House is guilty of war crimes and of torture. This White House has held its own citizens in prison, without allowing counsel to speak with them, without charges, and without a speedy trial, in depraved and deprived conditions so horrendous that Jose Padilla is now mentally insane. This White House lied us into a war, and continues to lie and have others like General Betray Us life for them.

If ever there were a litany of reasons supporting impeachment, they clearly exist here and now.

Shame on you for failing to take up your responsibility and doing your duty. Shame on you for daring to ask for money, just as you fail to do your job. I repeat, NOT ONE PENNY MORE until you do what is necessary, in fact, REQUIRED by our Constitution.

Very truly yours,
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proud2BlibKansan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:14 PM
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1. My reply:
End the war.

Put impeachment back on the table.

Then you'll get my money.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:17 PM
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2. I stamped it with the US flag stamp, upside down, signifying
distress and danger
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:06 PM
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19. Perhaps add a printout of this image to drive the message home!


I got that email yesterday too. I'm hoping they send a self-addressed stamped envelope with something in the snail mail. Then I'll feel better about them paying for the delivery of my message (minus cash). If enough of us do that, perhaps the bean counters at the DCCC will also start noticing too!
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:20 PM
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3. my reply
I will not work for or give money to any democrat (except Dennis) until impeachment is back on the table, Iran is off the table and the Iraq occupation is no longer funded.
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:40 PM
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13. yes, yes, and yes.
What does it take for them to get the message?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:26 PM
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23. apparently they do not give a shit what we think
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 03:26 PM by leftchick
only the corporations to which they are beholden will get their attention.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:26 PM
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4. She took impeachment off the table in May on 2006
In your letter you state that you donated money prior to the November 2006 elections. That means that if you donated between May and November of last year you were giving money while impeachment was 'off the table.'
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:28 PM
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5. but the DCCC letters were not from her, and
she was not speaker, and I did send them money.

I am not proud for doing that, but on the other hand, having a GOP majority right now would be even worse.
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:09 PM
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20. You were then giving money to Rahm Emanuel.. About the same difference!
I've held back money from the DNC too recently too. But I'd be far more apt to give to them than the DCCC. I even hung up on the DSCC when they called me when I was waiting for an important call from my vet during an operation that might have been asking permission to put the cat down. Saying "No money until impeachment's on the table!" was a nice quick way to send the proper message and end the call quickly for more important things then!
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:31 PM
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6. I find it interesting
That so many of us from all walks of life feel very strongly about this. So strongly, in fact, that we are willing to let go of affiliation with the Democratic party or refuse material and man-hour support for Democratic elections.

There are millions of us, too. I've heard it from former Republicans, moderates, and left-wingers. No one will vote for and work for a coward.

But what do we hear from the party wonks?

We hear that they don't have the votes and that we don't understand political reality.

The political reality is that the Democrats will LOSE SUPPORT in a critical election because of their refusal to act on this critical issue (and the war, and healthcare, and just about everything else that is squeezing average Americans into poverty and despair). Making excuses and chastizing their supporters for not accepting those excuses is about the dumbest political move I can think of. Meanwhile, the country heads straight down the shitter.

I submit that the jerks who say that we don't have the votes are the same jerks who told us that it would be a good move to vote for the Iraq war, and that Kerry actually lost the election, and that we have to appeal to the center, and that we must condemn Moveon for an effective message, etc.

The one thing party wonks have been consistent about is coming up with a losing strategy and then making the rest of us swallow it in the name of "winning".

Anyone else notice this pattern?
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:34 PM
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9. yes I have noticed it
for several years now. No more sweat or treasure from me.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:38 PM
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12. I've noticed it since 1994.
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:17 PM
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22. Yes, and I hope you send the DCCC that message
You describe reality very well.
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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 04:02 PM
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24. Yup
There is no way I am going to fund Rahm Emanuel's vision for "leadership" in the party. Many of his choices to run in 2006 are the reason we "don't have the votes".

I have dried up all of my Democratic funding....only going for individuals now. Not that I can afford donate much.
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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:31 PM
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7. The House of Reps shall "choose" not chuse....thanks..
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:33 PM
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8. That's how the original document reads: "chuse"
Edited on Mon Sep-17-07 02:35 PM by rateyes
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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:37 PM
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11. My copy is in the original text, it clearly says CHUSE
along with other unusual spellings (for us, at least, not them).

My local bar association sends one out every year, and I spread them around, sometimes sending a copy to my congresscritter. My senators, Obama and Durbin, know what it says.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:36 PM
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10. ERROR: You've already recommended that thread.
:kick:
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:41 PM
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14. Perhaps a minor point, but you misquoted Art. II, Section 4:
It states

The President, Vice President and all civil Officers of the United States, shall be removed from office on Impeachment for, and Conviction of, Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors.


And as you noted, the House has the authority to choose its Speaker. If they feel Speaker Pelosi has abrogated her responsibilities in her position they can replace her. Likewise, if the voters in her district feel similarly, they can elect another Representative to replace her when the seat comes up for election. I doubt either course of action would result in articles of impeachment being presented to the House. And in the event of an election loss in the district, the new Rep. most definitely would not be Speaker of the House.

I know impeachment is a contentious, lengthy, hotly debated - and political - issue. Yet I fail to see the value of attacking the DCCC, which is by design focused on building our Democratic majority in the House in the *next* elections in House districts across the country.

A better tack may be to encourage the Progressive Caucus - already in office - among others, to revisit impeachment with the Speaker.

Just my two cents. Thanks.

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ChairmanAgnostic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:48 PM
Response to Reply #14
15. or perhaps, to have a progressive RUN for
speaker of the house.
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pinto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:58 PM
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17. That's another tack. Next Speaker election will likely be the start of 111th Congress, in Jan. '09.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 02:52 PM
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16. K&R -- and here 's to true DEMOCRATS and down with WAR PARTY "Democrats"!
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Wiley50 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:00 PM
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18. DCCC= Do Congress Critters Care? n/t
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vanboggie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-17-07 03:11 PM
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21. Glad I'm not the only one
These begging letters from Nancy always stir me up. I went to the DCCC site contact form and left the same comments I have the other times these emails have come from her. I told them that till Nancy stops making nice with Bushco and starts impeachment proceedings, I will continue to send my money to John Edwards because he KNOWS the criminals won't compromise.

Keep writing, people. I'm disheartened that there have been no changes, though so many of us have let them know over and over again that there will be no donations till they start representing us and stand strong against BushCo.

But we gotta keep trying....
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cascadiance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:38 AM
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25. The DCCC just called me for money today too!
I gave them a nice long lecture about how there's no money from me until "impeachment is BACK on the table!"

When he said that this was about making the congress "Democratic" again, I told him that no it is NOT. It is NOT a football game where you are strategizing just putting this party in power. I told him that it is about what they DO that counts. Like impeaching these criminals, not letting folks like Tom Kontogiannis "vacation" in Greece under supervision by some secret government organization without the courts knowing about it that he's under bail restrictions from, getting Henry Waxman to have Sibel Edmonds testify before congress, and to stop the corporate money train that Rahm Emannuel helped facilitate with the DLC and put in place public campaign financing.

I ended by saying I couldn't afford it either, after all of the vet bills I racked up with my cats last months with cancer and hypothyroidism which arguably might be caused by an inadequate FDA not policing our food and other products sufficiently. While he was calling I had a fresh case of vomit I had clean up from my cats that I hope isn't a recurrence of their ailments again. I felt like throwing that vomit at them!

Anyway, I hope these folks get a lot of calls like mine so that they know that the progressive "money train" has STOPPED until they listen to us as the constitution directs them to instead of corporate America!
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