Orthodox Jew Tapped To Replace Gonzalez

[Purveyor]

President Bush nominated an Orthodox Jew to be U.S. attorney general.

Michael Mukasey, a retired federal judge from New York, is a conservative who has criticized Bush administration policies that have kept detainees from consulting with lawyers.

Democrats have praised Mukasey, and his selection represents a shift from Bush's combative defense of the most recent attorney general, Alberto Gonzales, who resigned last month.

Mukasey's Jewishness became an issue when a defendant in the 1993 World Trade Center bombing filed a motion to remove the judge, arguing that his allegiances to fellow Jews and Israel would create a bias against Muslim defendants. The motion was dismissed as "utterly irrelevant."

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http://www.jta.org/cgi-bin/iowa/breaking/104180.html

[Swamp Rat]

1. I have a feeling this thread will be "dismissed as utterly irrelevant."

[Coexist]

2. hear about O.J. Spears?

caught breastfeeding in Olive Garden!

[Swamp Rat]

3. LOL!

I wouldn't know. I stopped watching TV last week except for Animal Planet and Comedy Central.

[Coexist]

4. I would have a hard time dealing without Comedy Central.

[Clark2008]

11. And the Food Network...and BBCAmerica.

That's about all we watch except for Keith Olbermann.

[daninthemoon]

6. LOL. you seem to have the pulse of DU lately.

[aquart]

10. Really. That would be unfortunate, unfortunately.

[daninthemoon]

34. The thing about oj spears breast feeding, not the original thread.

[aquart]

8. Forgive me, Swamp Rat...

But are you implying that Jews are jackbooted thugs? Since that is the topic of this thread?

Should we not have Jews in the DOJ? Or only the right kind of Jew? What would the right kind of Jew be, in your opinion?

[Swamp Rat]

18. YES!!! JEWS ARE JACKBOOTED THUGS!!!

Just kidding. :D Though, I'm not sure how you construed that from my saying this thread will be dismissed as utterly irrelevant.

Hmm, the right kind of Jew for AG? That would be ME! :D ... except I'm not an attorney. Nevertheless, I think I would do a lot better job than Bushler's pendejo:

[liberaldemocrat7]

42. Swamp rat, would you like our store to sell your art on various items and split the profits

on everything we sell that comes from your art?

Or if you sell your own items now, tell people where to buy it.

Your material looks excellent.

[aquart]

5. Is he an orthodox Jew or a conservative Jew?

Do you know the difference? Why does it matter so terribly to you?

What, exactly, are you a purveyor of?

That question was rhetorical.

[Jim Sagle]

40. Sounds like you know the answer.

;-)

[nolabels]

60. Must be of the conservative bent...........

The forced bowing out of Gonzo was obvious a ploy to gain breathing room and return options. This Michael Mukasey being an orthodox line would obviously put the kibosh on anymore Saturday night massacres wouldn't ya thing :shrug:

[question everything]

7. Your point being?

Yeah, let's removed all the Jews, and Muslims, and others who live by their faith from positions of authority. They cannot be trusted.



:sarcasm:

I am curious: would you post something like that had the person in question been a Muslim or a Christian?

[Purveyor]

22. Certainly you shouldn't think I'd pass up an opportunity to post the same type thread

had the nominee been an 'evanglical armegeddonite'.

After all, I did not find this article on the david duke website, I read it on the JTA. They seem 'quite pleased' and so should you!

[cali]

24. You are ignorant.

I'm not even Jewish, and I know that being an Orthodox Jew does not automatically translate into being an 'evangelical amegeddonite', anymore than being a Southern Baptist translates into being "an evangelical armegeddonite'. Think Jimmy Carter, for example, he's a Southern Baptist.

You might consider educating yourself. Ignorance is at the root of much bias.

[Purveyor]

33. Perhaps I wasn't clear in my post. I didn't equate an orthodox jew with evangelical amegeddonites

at all.

What I'm telling you is, I would have posted the story regardless.

It defined the religion of this nominee as presented for all to read from a Jewish website.

I can just imagine your unconcerning interest about the intent of the post versus the content of the article had the nominee been of Muslim faith...

[cali]

43. Actually, I hammer people who come down on

Muslims, everytime I see it. So shove that someplace...else. I don't like religion or culture bashing. And you're disingenuous to put it kindly. You absolutely did compare an Orthodox Jew to evangelical armegeddontites. It's right there for anyone to see.

Just delightful to see you try and deny what you wrote.

[Eric J in MN]

27. Do you think being an Orthodox Jew means yearning...

...for Armeggedon? It doesn't.

It means keeping kosher, and three prayer services per day, and not turning on lights or driving from Friday night to Saturday night.

[cali]

30. The OP doesn't seem interested

in any facts that conflict with his biases.

[AlCzervik]

29. "They seem 'quite pleased' and so should you!" omg what? next thing you know

we might even be accepted as part of society.

[porphyrian]

9. It's OK, he'll only order illegal wiretaps through a hole in a sheet.

Yeah, sorry.

[rockymountaindem]

That sex through a hole thing is a fallacy n/t

[porphyrian]

15. Maybe, but it makes a really funny Upright Citizens Brigade episode. - n/t

[AlCzervik]

12. as a jew i'm getting quite a kick out of this thread.

[Swamp Rat]

20. LOL!

See #18 :evilgrin:

[cali]

13. So?

Just out of curiosity, why did you feel it was important to post this?

[Purveyor]

25. For the same reason I would have posted it if the christian broadcasting network

had announced a "Evangelical Baptist Tapped To Replace Gonzalez"...

Of course, I would have placed that in BN and would have probably received 44 recs by now...

/chuckle

[cali]

26. Please read the post in which

an orthodox Jew is not necessarily a right wing wacko, anymore than all Southern Baptists are right wing wackos.

You should be ashamed of flouting your ignorance.

[daninthemoon]

14. Just hearing the name I assumed he was Italian. Thought it

sounded like Don Lucchese. Then when I saw pix of him with Giulani, I figured he was a capo.

on edit:

Is this posting AS offensive as the original thread, LESS offensive, or MORE offensive?

[NV Whino]

16. So fucking what.

Jehova H.

[w4rma]

17. This is as good a pick as there is going to be, it would appear. (nt)

[Name removed]

19. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[cali]

21. Don't feel inclined to answer

any questions about your need to post this, huh?

Interesting.

[MonkeyFunk]

23. Wait....

if they let Jews in the Justice Department, next they'll wanna be on the Supreme Court!

Thanks for alerting us to this menace.

[question everything]

31. Of course, Ruth Ginsburg and Stephen Breyer

have been holding the tide against the "Scalias and Thomases" but now we know that as Jews they should not have been nominated.

[in_cog_ni_to]

37. But, but, but......

are they :scared: ORTHODOX :scared: JEWS????!!!!!!:scared:

[cali]

46. LOL!

We better find out!

[Richardo]

54. It's all the fault of that troublemaker Brandeis ....

:grr:

[cloudbase]

51. And then, before you know it,

Hollywood will be crawling with them.

As an orthodox Jew, he should have a very good grasp of right and wrong.

[cali]

28. Maybe he's an AIPAC stealth candidate

and hey, Chuck Schumer sent his name to bushco as an acceptable candidate. Someone on a thread about this appt., pointed that out. Maybe it's all part of an AIPAC scheme to get their man in.

That makes about as much sense as your explanation that he's akin to a fundy whacko.

Ooh, an Glen Greenwald had some good things to say about him; isn't he Jewish too?

[rockymountaindem]

32. I don't understand why everybody's getting on the OP's case

If the new AG is an Orthodox member of any religion, it means it's an important facet of his life. Since he's now a public figure, that's something we should at least be aware of. The article in the OP is from a Jewish source and isn't judgmental in any way.

And, for the record, I'm Jewish.

[Eric J in MN]

35. He proceeds to compare Orthodox Jews to "'evanglical armegeddonite(s)"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1830415&mesg_id=1830623

[whoneedstickets]

48. He did nothing of the sort...

..he said "HAD" the nominee been....

So his point was "had the nominee presented any type of distinct religious viewpoint that might be relevant to understanding his ideology", a post would have been relevant.


There seems substantial evidence to indicate he's a Neocon of some sort (supported the patriot act, gave money to Lieberman, but not a social conservative). He may not be a direct intellectual descendant of Allan Bloom and Leo Straus (like Wolfowitz) but there is a distinct strand of conservative thought that closely ties Jewish theological orientations and public policy positions. A similar theology-ideology linkage pattern, but with a different style, is evidenced in evangelical Christians.

Somehow pointing this pattern out means one is bordering on anti-semetism. Which is complete knee-jerk nonsens because it is equally easy to make the point that Jews have been an integral (if not leading) part of American liberalism for Generations. From William Brennan to Noam Chomsky we owe them all a debt of gratitude. However, I find the Neocon position insidious, unpalatable and frankly a bit un-American in its rejection of much of liberalism and modernity (at its Straussian heart)

[cali]

49. That's drawing a comparison. Duh. n/t

[whoneedstickets]

50. No, he drew a parallel. He did not compare one with the other.

You are as dense as he claims. He did not say, "just as I would if the candidate were a Satanist (or whatever) " he said "HAD the nominee been a Satanist". There is a distinct rhetorical difference that appears above your linguistic capacity to recognize. YOU made the inference. He did not make the implication.

[cali]

56. LOL

How many angels are dancing on that pin of yours? How thin is that hair you're so laboriously trying to split? Talk about dense. Too funny.

[MonkeyFunk]

38. Because the headline

as written indicates that his religion is the most important thing about him.

Not "New Yorker appointed AG". Not "Retired Judge appointed AG."

I think it's very disingenuous to pretend not to see the problem.

It's like the old joke:

Two old men are sitting on a bench. One of the me sighs loudly.

"what's the matter, Ollie?" asks the one man.

"Well, for 30 years I built the best boats in this town. Do you think they call me Ollie the Boatmaker? NOOO!!! I raised 5 kids and have 12 grandchildren and 9 great-grandchildren. Do they call me Ollie the Patriarch? Noooo.... But you suck ONE cock..."

[cali]

39. This comment, for one thing:

Certainly you shouldn't think I'd pass up an opportunity to post the same type thread
had the nominee been an 'evanglical armegeddonite'.

As you're Jewish, you certainly know that just because someone is an Orthodox Jew, that doesn't make him/her a fundy nutjob.

[Purveyor]

44. To continue to misrepresent my equating an orthodox jew with a evanglical armegeddonite demostrates

your faulty spin of the subject at hand but it is well demonstrated, that is 'what you do'.

Carry on ole poor one. I explained my motive for posting the article, title intact from a Jewish news source.

Make what you can from it and enjoy.

[cali]

45. Yeah, like I'm the only one here on this thread who's challenged

you on it. Pitiful. Just pitiful.

[OzarkDem]

36. Will he be willing

to maintain his independence from the Bush administration and follow up on the criminal investigations of the Bush administration?

I don't care about his religious preferences as long as he is committed to doing his job.

[Jim Sagle]

41. EEEEKKK!!!!!!!! Waiter, there's a JOOOOOOOOO in my government!!!!!!!!!!!

:scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::scared::beer:

[HughMoran]

47. That's interesting but irrelevant

Kind of like "E" entertainment news on DU with a possible side of trouble-making.

[bemildred]

52. The ENTIRE OP is taken straight from the JTA story.

So if anyone here has issues with orthodox Jews, it the writer at JTA, not the poster of the OP.

[cali]

55. so what?

Why did the OP feel this was important to post and how do you justify this remark by the OP?

Certainly you shouldn't think I'd pass up an opportunity to post the same type thread
had the nominee been an 'evanglical armegeddonite'.

After all, I did not find this article on the david duke website, I read it on the JTA. They seem 'quite pleased' and so should you!

The OP can claim he wasn't comparing Orthodox Jews to fundy nutjobs (and yes, evangelical armegeddonists are fundies) till the cows come home, but this is clearly a comparison. It would be like stating that such and such a nominee is a Southern Baptist and thus someone not to be trusted. Of course Jimmy Carter is a southern baptist.

And why would someone point out the man's religion? What's the point.

It doesn't matter that JTA wrote the piece he quoted. The JTA piece was written with a sense of pride that someone from their community had been nominated. Do you think that's the reason the OP posted it?

[Purveyor]

57. Keep on 'grasping'...that is pretty much all you have left. Thank you to the posters that actually

understand the reason for the article post and its context.

I remain...

[cali]

59. Grasping?

I hate to break this to you, but many, if not the majority of the posters on this thread, found your "reason" for posting, dubious... to say the least. Most on this thread made fun of you. But keep dissembling. You seem determined to dig that hole as deep as you can.

[sleipnir]

53. A Jew! Run!

Well, I doubt he'll get confirmed from the 30% that bush has left in his favor.

He is a smoke-screen for the real nominee.

[nealmhughes]

58. Defendents argue everything they can when in a bind.

Whether the judge is Jewish or not is immaterial -- he was the one that fought DOJ for them to have attorneys!

So, what's the worst? No late court on Friday night? But he can work on Sundays!!!

[MadBadger]

61. Whats your point?

[Purveyor]

62. You go first. What's yours? eom

[cali]

63. LOL!

YOU posted the OP, and the poster you're responding to asked you, as the OP, what the point of your posting was, and you respond with "you go first"? You probably can't even recognize the irony in that.