Murtha told reporters: "There's a lot of anger out there [towards Democrats],"

[BigBearJohn]

"A lot of people are very unhappy with the Democrats because we haven't been able to get anything done."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20070917/us-iraq/

[soothsayer]

1. Just impeachment.

[Emillereid]

2. That's what I'm seeing here in California -- people who had put all their

hopes in the Dems to end the war and reverse Bush's fascist agenda are simply disgusted and feel betrayed. They are not buying the Democratic spin on this either. They are actually angrier at the Democrats that the Repukes, because they feel so let down. Will they vote Repuke in 2008? No, probably not. But they might not vote at all and probably won't work in the campaign as they did in 2006. I too have all but stop believing that electoral politics makes any difference. When I think about Hillary as our candidate -- I feel totally depressed. Don't think I can even fake any enthusiasm this time around.

[BuyingThyme]

7. You're right. It's going to be difficult to get people to volunteer.

And the prospect of Nancy Pelosi making a keynote speech at the convention by which Dems will likely anoint Hillary Clinton isn't going to help things.

[lostnotforgotten]

10. I Will Never Volunteer Again After The Dems Did Nothing in 2004

To counter the stolen election.

As Bush said, "fool me once, fool me twice, can't get fooled again."

[orleans]

13. pelosi...keynote...? fuck that! n/t

[melody]

17. I'm sorry, anyone who doesn't get on board and fight the GOP, isn't worthy of being a volunteer

I don't care who the damned nominee is -- if someone can't perceive the massive problem facing us and how bad
these GOP monsters are, simply because their anointed candidate isn't going to be nominated and they'd rather sit in the
corner and pout, then they are every bit as much responsible for the further destruction of our country as those who
vote GOP.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. I hope to goddess you're not

in charge of recruiting, and, more importantly, KEEPING volunteers. Way to motivate people dude/ette. And if you think that shoving Hilary down our throats is going to fix our mangled Constitution, just remember the INaction of the current Congress whose popularity is BELOW George Bush's.

Democrats don't have the luxury of pissing off anyone -- your margin isn't big enough.

[melody]

15. I'm in California and I couldn't disagree more

Angrier at the Democrats? Not for a SECOND. Angry at the Democrats, sure, but while they may be monsters,
they're our monsters. The GOP is the land of the damned, as far as everyone I know is concerned. So if any
GOPhers are getting their hopes up that ANY Democrat would vote for the fascist warmongers they're running,
I wouldn't get them up too high. Give me a break -- you honestly think Hillary wouldn't be 1000% better than
the GOP monsters? Hillary isn't my first, second, third or even second-to-last choice, but she has this much
going for her -- she's not a Republican and she has some liberal chops.

[hootinholler]

26. I'm not angry with the democrats, I'm angry with the DLC!

I will work against anyone associated with the DLC and accepting corporate money that is not altruistically given.

-Hoot

[Emillereid]

27. Anger is an active voice - of course, the people I know hate the Repukes.

We put so much hope and energy getting the Dems elected - and they have let us down big time. I raised lots of money and ran a phone-banking operation in 2004 for Kerry and though most in our office were not crazy about him, we sucked it in and worked like maniacs. In 2006, I offered up my house and phones to help get a Democratic Congress. I and others like me have been betrayed. This congress is the do-nothing congress of all-time. They are Bush's enablers. It is the present congress that allowed themselves to be frightened into passing the latest assault on what remains of our constitution. Not only do they continue to fund the Iraq war, they (with Israel by their side) will probably sign off on a war on Iran. I'm tired of the argument that they can't do anything because of their slim majority. Yes, they can -- they have enough votes to hold up every war funding bill for one. They could begin impeachment hearings and expose the criminality of the Bush administration. The other day, Hagel was on Bill Maher's show and he was tougher against the war than many of our candidates.

As many repukes say, my party has left me. Our main possible nominees are nothing like the democrats we used to have -- the DLC and the Clintons have moved the party so much to the right, I don't recognize it any more. Is Clinton better than anyone the Repukes will offer - yeah, I suppose. But come November 2008, the sad reality is that we will have two republican candidates - one right of center and one far right of center. Not much to believe in any more. Personally I have grown weary of always voting for the lesser of two evils.I am fed up with the intimidating argument that if I don't get behind whoever the sorry ass candidate the Dems offer, I am de-facto electing the repukes. Well I've fallen for that argument many times only to wake up the next day and find that it didn't make much difference after all.

BTW, Hillary's so-called health care reform isn't much different from Arnold's. It's a corporate give away too.

Anyway, the political people I know have given up on the Dems -- and are presently in a political wasteland waiting for some new direction.

[Tesha]

21. Why do you think MoveOn is pushing the "betrayed" theme so hard?

There's a message there, but it appears that big-D
machine Democrats are too obtuse to hear it.

Tesha

[calimary]

3. Because you won't IMPEACH THEIR ASSES, John.

Hello? ANYBODY home back there in Invertebrateland?

[babylonsister]

6. Well, there IS that! But hardly anyone will. I just shake my head. Resigned, I s'pose. nt

[orleans]

16. no, he's not home. he's out getting subpoenaed

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=2994828&mesg_id=2994984

[gratuitous]

4. Yep, and there's a simple solution

Get something done. Lay down a deadline. Cut off the funding for the war. Begin impeachment proceedings. The electorate had one stinkin' chance to speak their peace in November 2006, and I have to say we haven't seen an equal commitment from the folks we elected.

[samplegirl]

19. If we cut of the troops funding...

they will blame the democrats for deaths of the troops. So that is really not an option. I believe we must trust our leaders on this.

[Le Taz Hot]

23. It's nice to see all the monies

the DLC has put out for talking points hasn't gone to waste. :eyes:

[bread_and_roses]

25. TRUST our "leaders" ???? ROFL. (n/t)

[babylonsister]

5. Murtha is great, seriously. He spent about 45 minutes talking about

getting out of Iraq, and then took questions. Here's a brief bit:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=1824843

[Skittles]

8. they would have done better if they had the votes

well, I guess I should say I HOPE they would have done better

[earthside]

14. They Don't Need the 'Votes'

The Democrats in Congress don't need any votes NOT to send an Iraq occupation funding bill to Bush.

Yes ... it is that simple.

[KingBob]

9. Just a little ...

Just a little unhappy and very disappointed. The war, impeachment, the rule of law, oversight, spending .... NOTHING done and less attempted.

Get a spine and do what we sent you to DC to do.

[Skip Intro]

11. Did they try is the question.

Did they try?

[spag68]

12. Don't so hard on Murtha, he has been out spoken for two years

and it sure hasn't helped his popularity in the house.he tells it like it is and takes what blame is his. He is really not an anti war dept. guy. However this war is so stupid he cannot take it. He comes from a small pa town and probably got calls Freon half the town. the other half were waiting in the bar. He is friends with my dads uncle up there. and we know him well. the rethugs don't want to get down in the dirt with him as they would be surprised at the grief he would bring them he's played well for the district for a long time ,is viewed as honest forthright so my advice to freepers is give him room and be respectful as he passes.

[babylonsister]

18. Thank you. Murtha needs more respect. He is trying to support the

troops where more might get out alive.

My heart heaves at the very thought of all these people in danger.

[BigBearJohn]

20. I LOVE MURTHA. -- HE "GETS" IT. I WISH HE WAS SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE.

I really like him.

[NewJeffCT]

24. When Republics were in power, we kept our powder dry, but now

when Democrats are in power, the Republics seem to have an endless supply of powder, so never worry about keeping it dry.

How many bills that have passed the House have been held up by the record amount of filibusters in the Senate?

That said, there is no excuse for not having Harriet Miers and others in jail right now for contempt of Congress. No excuse for not dragging Al Gonzalez into Congress on a weekly basis to grill him on his contradictions and lies... no excuse for Condi just blowing off her subpoena, either.