John Kerry smacked John McCain down on MTP and has been leading the effort to end this war

[WildEyedLiberal]

But none of that matters because some disruptive potentially violent dumbass got tasered at one of his speeches, so let's crucify him for being present.

Circular firing squad, commence!

Shit like this is why liberals deserve to lose. ZERO focus or dedication to issues that actually matter, like, oh, that little war going on in the Middle East.

[saracat]

1. Absolutely right on WEL! That and all the silly comments about how this "proves

Democrats are no different that Republicans" .Damn, some people just eat up the whole Rove playbook, and wonder why we don't win!

[BlooInBloo]

2. As long as DU is around, there's no need for freeper sites....

... Because no-one loves ripping on Democrats more that DUers.

[saracat]

10. You are sooo right!

[DURHAM D]

3. I have been a little stunned at the Kerry haters on here tonight.

I noticed that some of them are the same people who never miss an opportunity to bash Hillary. For me it actually answers a few questions about who actually posts on the Democratic Underground.

[Fabio]

4. DU is full of hate in the primary season

[liberalmuse]

12. It couldn't possibly be anything more complex than that.

I concede. The Democrats lose because a few people disagree at DU, not because of a 20-plus-years-in-the making of a Republican facist coupe.

[WildEyedLiberal]

5. ditto...

It ain't Democrats, at least in large part, that's for sure.

[sandnsea]

7. update the ignore list

That's what I use these opportunities for. I think there's lots of trolls out on the internets, in all shapes and sizes. It's just as easy to disrupt and distract from the left as it is the right.

[DURHAM D]

13. I wish we each had personal symbols we could attach to

various posters. I have several categories that I use. Some are as follows:

(1) Obama or Edwards or Clinton supporter - thoughtful/grownup
(2) Obama or Edwards or Clinton supporter who posts everything negative they can find on other candidates. Never has anything balanced to say about other candidates. Thinks this is helpful for their candidate.
(3) Fake progressive
(4) Wanker
(5) Freeper personality type
(6) Didn't get enough love as a child
(7) Wouldn't want to serve on a committee with him/her
(8) Democrat hater
(9) Experienced party or campaign worker
(10) Just angry at the world and taking it out on others
(11) Would like to have a drink with that person

[WildEyedLiberal]

20. LOL "wanker" covers most of em

:rofl:

[DURHAM D]

25. My only problem with wanker is that it has a male bias.

Most of the people who really fit (for me) into the category are female. Do you know what to call a female wanker?

Wankette is too cute. Wankher doesn't get it. Still searching.

[WildEyedLiberal]

29. Most of the words I call them aren't allowed on DU

:rofl:

Yeah there are some really shrill female posters here in addition to the dumb male wankers... and I'm female so I'm allowed to call out their shrieking lunacy...

[karynnj]

30. Nice list - may want to add supports other candidate or still looking

or even Democrat, but not enthused about any.

[yellowdogintexas]

40. or: loyal Democrat, who knows our worst nominee beats hell out

of anything the opposition can produce, waiting in the sidelines for our nominee to surface, saving money for bumperstickers to past over the faded Kerry/Edwards one.

I know lots of those folks.

[sandnsea]

31. lol

I won't be asking for my number. :)

[paulk]

27. actually, it's easier...

:)

[saracat]

14. For some anyone who has ever been actually been "elected "t o anything is bad!

[DURHAM D]

21. How sad is that - but you are right.

The "don't trust any elected official" thing may be an update from the 60s of the "don't trust anyone over 30" thing.

[saracat]

28. As an "elected official" once told me, some people "hate "anyone who "wins! "

It seems to sadly be true!

[sandnsea]

6. When there's a Dem to bash on the war

then we'll get back to that.

[liberalmuse]

8. We deserve to lose because of THIS?

C'mon. Democrats don't deserve to lose because a few people on a message board heatedly discuss a tasering. And it's not just the tasering. It has to do with the Democrats non-action for the last several years, not just this one event. It might have something to do with Skelton's inappropriate threat at the Petraeus hearings last week, too. Why couldn't he have saved that indignation for Bush, not The People? It's all very disturbing. One can't help but question why Democrats aren't forceful with their words or actions these days, especially in defense of our Constitution. The tasering of the guy at Kerry's event is disturbing, because he didn't do anything to warrant it--the police behaved like facist pigs, and you'd think the main speaker of the event could say something like, 'Hey, that isn't necessary. Let the man speak.' The criticism of Kerry is warranted in light of the Democrats continued inaction when it comes to preserving The Bill of Rights. It is a fucking disgrace and embarrassment that this facist display took place at a Democrat's event.

[BlooInBloo]

9. It's ill-us-tra-tive.

[countmyvote4real]

11. Well said. Amen.

We live in fucked up times. Let's survive them.

I promise to attend at least one of my local Democratic Party events.

[WildEyedLiberal]

15. How would Kerry have possibly known that the guy didn't have a weapon?

It's real fucking easy to sit here in our underwear posting on DU and talk about how the cops are "facist" pigs and how Kerry is somehow responsible for what the police do (which is fucking stupid), but what anyone with common sense recognizes is that it's completely inappropriate for a bystander who can't possibly know the full details of what's going on to interfere with the police doing their jobs. NO one could have KNOWN for a fact that the kid - who was being very erratic and potentially violent - wasn't dangerous. You can debate whether tasering him was appropriate, but to criticize a BYSTANDER for not interfering in something they don't have the full facts of is just stupid.

Yes, this incident is a perfect example of the lack of logic that characterizes the leftist movement in this country, illustrating why leftists will never achieve a large-scale electoral victory.

[DURHAM D]

18. I read a post somewhere that he came running into the

hall with a book in his hand and was being chased by 4 or 5 cops when he entered. He had not been at the speech or waited in line - just ran in at the last minute.

[MH1]

23. I'd like to see more about that

The cops were sure right there with him at the beginning of all the video versions I saw, and you have to wonder why that was.

But don't you know the cops are ALWAYS wrong with some folks around here. Facts are completely irrelevant.

[DURHAM D]

16. Wow - that's sure conflating a bunch of things. eom

[sandnsea]

19. he did say let the man speak

The only reason the guy was at the microphone was because Kerry gave him an opportunity to speak, even though he had already called for the final question. And even though it was clear the guy was on a rant, Kerry said to let him go on with his question when he was talking about Palast. It became clear the guy was a disrupter when Kerry tried to answer his questions and the guy wouldn't shut up.

If that had been a freeper disrupting the event of your favorite candidate, you'd expect the cops to remove him and you'd call it a right wing conspiracy if a disruption were allowed to continue.

DU is sorely missing objectivity. And I don't think it's just people on a message board. This is exactly what happened with the swift boat shit. Kerry was attacked instead of the people causing trouble. And disrupting events and hearings is Causing Trouble.

[karynnj]

38. I agree 100%

The posts that somehow saw this kid as a leader or a hero were really outrageous. The funny thing is that most politicians would never have let him come to the mic.

[Vektor]

17. Amen, sister.

It's Jerry Springer politics.

Let's all froth at the mouth because a disruptor got what any other combative person who resisted arrest and tangled with the cops would have gotten.

Shocking.

Can we talk about real issues now?

[WildEyedLiberal]

22. I wish.... but I doubt it

Dumb useless shit like this is more fun than serious issues like the war in Iraq, health care, etc.

[karynnj]

24. Thanks WEL

Nice that we hear nothing of Kerry's speech on Iraq and national security - when he is better on these important topics than almost anyone. The audience was there to see him.

The student, should not have been tasered, but he also should not have acted as he did. Even had he been in the audience, which he wasn't, he should have asked his question and sat down to hear the response. His demand that he was entitled to 2 minutes because Kerry got 2 hours is beyond stupid - I don't think that works anywhere. Can I go to Broadway and demand to go on stage and speak or worse, sing. Does this kid got to class and take over the last couple of minutes?

The kid clearly misbehaved and the police might have been out of line, but there is also a question of whatis important. Frankly what Kerry had to say is likely more important than what this out of control kid had to say. It is also despicable that there is a double standard with Kerry as opposed to other Democrats.

[MH1]

26. Great post, WEL.

:yourock:

[politicasista]

32. I agree. Great post!

WEL: :kick: :yourock:

[paulk]

33. some of the stuff being posted

is just unreal in it's hatred and vitriol.

I do think a lot of these people, as others have mentioned, are probably not "liberals".

[WildEyedLiberal]

34. They're not

They're extreme far-left anarchists. Unfortunately there is more than a small contingent of them on DU.

[karynnj]

37. That's for sure

I really don't get why they are still trying to destroy a man who is working for what they say their goals are. He is not running for President, so it's not that they fear he will baat their favorite.

[babylonsister]

35. I was appalled and amazed that John Kerry got that wrath. No way,

no how, did he deserve it. He has been fighting for US. The people who chose to disparage him in this situation are not worth my time.
And the tasering was over-the-top, though not Kerry's fault.

[WildEyedLiberal]

36. Agree 100% with everything you say

As usual my dear babylonsister :hug:

[ProSense]

39. It's bizarre to watch them build their own conspiracy around the facts. Anyway here's the smack down

Watch Kerry smack down McCain on Meet the Press

[yodermon]

41. How about ignoring those threads instead of starting a new one.

[MBS]

42. BRAVO!

Here's to thinkingliberals :thumbsup::dem:

[RangerRK]

43. leading the effort to end the war?

John Kerry would not tolerate anyone speaking out against the war at the 2004 convention. Bush had been exposed as a liar, a cheater in the debate(obviously wired), and an idiot, but Kerry wouldn't let anyone say anything bad about him at the 2004 Convention.

He is the reason that we still have Bush in office threatening Iran.

This students questions need to be answered...

Why did you concede so early?

If you are concerned about Iran, why not Impeach?

Are you a member of skull and bones?

The third question is the reason that he can't really answer the first two.