TIMELINE: B52 incident / deaths / suspicious events.

[tailwind]

FEEL FREE TO CLEAN THIS UP AS IT NEEDS MORE WORK.

5-24: Air Force and Boeing give 80 million for upgrades on B52s / work done at Minot Air Force Base in Barksdale.
http://www.kxmc.com/t/air-force/126273.asp


6-5: Colonel Eldon Woodie / Commander at Minot Air Force Base and B52 bomber wing / retired and now runs ROTC at a HS in AL-says it's his way of giving back to the military / Colonel Bruce Emig from South Dakota took his place
http://www.kxmc.com/t/minot-air-force-base/129879.asp


7-3: Adam Barrs / airman from Minot Air Force Base / died in car crash / was responsible for troubleshooting communication and navigation mission systems on B-52s / his myspace page:
http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=8815695


7-4 Crash on outskirts of Minot kills man.
http://www.kxmc.com/t/minot-air-force-base/140790.asp


7-19: Weston Kissel / B52 bomber pilot at Minot Air Force Base; 23rd wing / died in motorcycle accident on leave in TN
http://www.kxmc.com/t/minot-air-force-base/145017.asp


7-31: Jeffrey Eberts / 23 yrs. old / died after being pushed off building / body found on 23rd in Minot


8-9: B52 simulation of a preemptive or planned attack / Minot Airforce Base
http://www.kxmc.com/t/minot-air-force-base/151366.asp


8-30: billion dollar 'bin laden trades' placed on NYSE


8-30: B52 'accidentally' carries nukes.


9-8: Rep. E. Gillmor (R-Ohio) / Arlington, VA / died of blunt head and neck trauma
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/07/AR2007090702384.html?hpid=sec-politics


9-8-: Capt. John Frueh/ US Air Force Captain from FL/ in Oregon for wedding/ body found in Washington state / last heard from 8-30


9-10: Todd Blue / was assigned to the unit that provided security for the B52 that had the accidental nukes / Minot Air Force Base / died on leave in VA
http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/2007/09/ap_minotairman_070912


9-13: Jennifer Dunn / R-WA/ died at her home in Alexandria, VA from pulmonary embolism.


9-14: Stand down of air defense


9-15: Husband and wife die in motorcycle wreck / from Barksdale Air Force Base
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070915/BREAKINGNEWS/70915012


9-15: starting August 15, 2001, Army limits public access to bases near Washington DC.


9-17 - 9-18: WASHINGTON, DC -- US military bases in the continental United States (CONUS) will go on special lockdown between September 17 and September 21 under the auspices of Solid Curtain-Citadel Shield '07.

[Richard Steele]

1. K&R

[Ice4Clark]

2. Article on Jeffrey Eberts

7-31: Jeffrey Eberts / 23 yrs. old / died after being pushed off building / body found on 23rd in Minot

found this article in the Bismarck Tribune online to go with this snippet

http://www.bismarcktribune.com/articles/2007/08/03/news/state/137201.txt

Minot man's death investigated - Witnesses have said Eberts was arguing with his girlfriend in the hallway of the building at about midnight after she didn't allow him inside her apartment, Sundbakken said. Eberts had apparently been drinking, police said.

[alofarabia]

3. I don't understand

why most of these would be under the heading of "suspicious". The Air Force awards a contract to upgrade 45 year old B-52s; the commander at Minot retires; some airman dies in a car accident two months prior to the incident (there are thousands of young airmen in Minot); a motorcycle acident (they are usually so safe). And has anyone previously linked either Gilmore or Dunn to this? Was the pulmonary embolism induced by the CIA? While I agree that there may be something suspicious about the carrying of the nukes, this looks like just a collection of unrelated events.

[farmbo]

5. Plus Rep. Gilmore was 68, overweight, and a Bush lackey

How the hey does he weigh into this "conspiracy"?

[tekisui]

7. Originally, it was reported heart attack, then blunt trauma to the head

he reportedly "fell down the stairs". I remember reading something about Gilmore and a reason he should be silenced, but I can't find it. Anyone know what I'm looking for?

[WHAT]

22. I think he was investigating "put" options...

that stuck in my mind. Don't have the info handy. If that was the case, it seems pertinent.

[tekisui]

24. I think you;re right.. i'll try to find it

[The Doctor.]

39. Well... falling down stairs can cause blunt force trauma, but if we're talking

'massive myocardial infarction', the blunt-force would be a secondary concern and not cause at all.

[KaptBunnyPants]

31. The lackeys are the ones who know where the bodies are buried.

I'm not saying this is true as I just heard about this today. But it's the loyal foot soldiers who are the most dangerous to any conspiracy. Remember John Dean...

[hootinholler]

6. These are all people who have been mentioned in various CTs about the flown nukes.

I think the OP is to provide the timeline in context.

-Hoot

[cascadiance]

20. On the July deaths, could they be a cover-up that WORKED before?

Perhaps there was an earlier shipment of nukes that we never heard about, and these individuals were killed to cover it up too.

Now, they could ALL be coincidences. And without any solid information to indicate otherwise, we should just be looking at them as potential pieces in the puzzle. But with all of those happening around July, that itself also looks a bit suspicious too. Maybe we should try to track what could have been news of other "shipments" around that time too as a way of connecting the dots further!

[SoCalDem]

4. Minot is in ND..Barksdale in LA

:)

[hang a left]

37. But the nukes flew from Minot to Barksdale...

that is the significance. Not saying that I am down with the whole CT. I just am taking a good long look.

[cali]

8. Wasn't Jennifer Dunn, a former Rep, in her late seventies?

Why is that suspicious?

[lumberjack_jeff]

25. 66. Retired two years ago.

[Pawel K]

9. How to get to the greatest page on DU...Gather up a bunch of unrelated random events

and then imply some crazy theory from those random unrelated events. Way to go buddy, you've figured out the system and you only have 41 posts. Congratulations.

[Junkdrawer]

10. Something very, very exceptional happened Aug.30. And the 'explanations'...

to date are, to put it bluntly, rather transparent lies.

Some are saying that there's an unusual clustering of death surrounding this event.

Maybe. Maybe not. Seems to me this warrants investigation.

[TwilightGardener]

13. Show me exactly where any folks that died had a direct relationship

to the nuke incident. There's no deaths "surrounding" the event.

[snot]

11. Question --

Regarding the item, "9-15: starting August 15, 2001, Army limits public access to bases near Washington DC." Why is this dated "9-15" -- or is "August 15" supposed to be "September 15"?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

12. Oh. My. God. This. Is. Too. Silly.

:wow:

:rofl:

[onenote]

14. Yep.

MY guess is that a lot of folks taken in by this haven't spent much time around air bases. Young men, speed demons, motorcycles -- accidents are sadly all to common. More than 40 members of the air force and another 40 army soldiers typically die each year just in motorcycle accidents.

[TNOE]

15. Suspicion & Doubt are Healthy in a Democracy

Regardless. I remember some of these exact same comments when Paul Thompson was preparing his timeline for 9/11.

[onenote]

17. fact checking is a good thing too.

Sadly, there are some here at DU who blindly accept conspiracy theories without doing the basic fact checking. Such as posts on this topic that suggest that six airmen from Minot involved in the nuke transport screw up have died when, the links supporting that assertion show five not six fatalities, only three of which involved Minot airmen, two of which occurred in July. One of the allegedly Minot airmen deaths was a airman from Florida who apparently was in Oregon for a wedding at the time of the nuke incident, and the other was an airman from Barksdale who died along with his wife in a motorcycle accident.

[cascadiance]

21. Hey, I think if the person basically states that these are NOT necessarily connected...

... but POTENTIALLY connected, that's a healthy way to investigate something.

As in any investigation, you look at all pieces of information that have some sort of connection to an event/crime. Most of them might be completely useless, and later found to be just coincidence. But to dismiss them up front because there is "no proof" is falling in the same trap that we have when the neocons dismiss the Valerie Plame case as "There is no guilty party, therefore all of these different 'conjectures' are useless".

No, we cannot say that "Look at ALL of these weird events and somehow make that out to be a conspiracy right at the beginning". The nuke incident is suspicious enough, and is enough in my book to start looking in other areas for connected events. But we should neither dismiss things as useless without some proof that they are, nor should we make them an integral part of the conspiracy unless we have proof that they are.

Assembling a timeline of these sorts of events (and document as well as possible what connections they have to the suspicious event, the nukes) is a good way to start analyzing this.

I think that we just need to be very careful how we label such "timelines" so that people don't conclude up front that this is *proof* of a conspiracy, and yet I don't want to feel we can't talk about it either.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

18. Absolutely. But This Is Not Reasonable Suspicion And Doubt.

What this is, is a bunch of wildly unrelated events compiled into a list that puts forth one of the wackiest and irrational conspiracy theories I've ever seen here. That is not by any means healthy.

This list is so hilarious in what it is attempting to do. To call it a stretch would be a monumental understatement, and I'm embarrassed that such a list putting forth such a concept is even posted here for all to see. It is beyond silly and makes us look really loony. Sorry.

[iaviate1]

33. I work for a large Corporation

With well over 10,000 on site and many of them drive motorcycles and are in much worse shape than these airman. Yet, we don't see people dying like this within my Company and I suspect something may be behind it.

And on an un-realated note, does it break other people's hearts to go to the myspace pages of soldiers who have died? I'm emotionally numb, but melt when I go to these pages. We've got to stop this culture of war.

[onenote]

35. is it so bad at your company that 3 years ago they began a campaign to promote motorcycle safety?

Equating the employees at the "large corporation" where you work and motorcycle-riding airmen -- young men with a penchant for speed and danger is pretty silly. Motorcycle accidents are, and have been, a mini-epidemic for the armed services and the air force in particular. How bad is it? Bad enough that in 2004 -- three years ago -- the air force (in a story bylined from Minot AFB) reported that during a period entitled "101 Critical Days of SUmmer" 16 airmen had been injured or died in motorcycle accidents.

I'd bet that there are a higher percentage of motorcycles on the typical air force/army base than in the parking lot of your "large corporation."

http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123008294

[iaviate1]

38. I'm sorry I'm just not a big coincidence theorist.

And my corporation's service doesn't involve the maintenance of nuclear secrets... at any cost. Sometimes things are worth dying for, but when a number of questionable events occur around the same time, it's intelligent to question what's going on.

[onenote]

42. not coincidence. just routine life.

sadly,as pointed out, motorcycle and car accidents happen all the time. Trying to link accidents involving other air bases, occuring weeks and months previously to the nuke screw up isn't really very intelligent.

[me b zola]

16. k&r

[progressoid]

19. 9-18: My cat vomits and it looks just like Osama bin Laden

[defendandprotect]

23. Right -- and that equates with 6 nukes being flown out unofficially and unknown to Pilots -- !!

[trusty elf]

41. Too bad it didn't look like Jesus.

You could have made a lot of money on eBay.

:evilgrin:

[greiner3]

26. Word to the wise;

I eat a lot of garlic and I've never been attacked by vampires. Hounded, yes! Attacked, no!

[TwilightGardener]

27. 28 recs for a list of unrelated events. If I post my

resume--which is essentially another list of unrelated events, LOL--how many rec's could I get? DU'ers, are your brain cells AWOL?

[progressoid]

29. Post it and see!

Add something about working for SAC or having a friend near ground zero on 9/11 and they'll swarm all over you.

[TwilightGardener]

30. I've already embellished my resume enough, thanks!

[FourScore]

28. Ver-y interesting.

:tinfoilhat:

[Baby Snooks]

32. Those bin Laden options...

Whoever placed them is going to be out of a lot of money if it was tied into the possibility of an attack on Iran since the attack would have to occur on Wednesday or Thursday in order to cause a crash in the European markets. Although some are watching the European market very carefully. Especially the banks.

If something sinister were being planned, most likely it has been put on hold. At least for now.

But with the two spawns from Hell in the White House, who knows?

[fenriswolf]

34. suspicous

those deaths are red herrings

this is what i find suspicious

*that the nukes were transported in the way they were
on the wings of a bomber
with warheads attached

*the fact that they were "accidently transported"
when the chain of command makes accidents impossible
(except if your darth)

*that the party line was that they were gonna be decomissioned
they don't decommision them at barksdale
barksdale is used as a jumping off point
for military missions to the middle east

*the fact that i know it would put a warm glow of a lump of charcoal that cheny uses for a heart to have nukes in the theater

[SaveOurDemocracy]

36. tailwind, aren't you that poster that jumps on JoeForClark ...

accusing HIM of posting baseless information? Uh huh ... I thought so.

[tailwind]

40. NOPE !

And who exactly is JoeForClark ?

[tailwind]

43. EXTRA INFO.

LOTS HERE:

http://www.legitgov.org/minot_afb_nukes_oddities.html