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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:18 AM
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Poll question: Do you believe bush will declare martial law
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 AM by cali
and cancel elections?
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:18 AM
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1. No. n/t
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:19 AM
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2. Not if he values everything near and dear to him
n/t
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atreides1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:43 AM
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11. And what does he hold near and dear????
The man went golfing with his father and brother when one of his daughters was having surgery, what is there that is so near and dear to him that he wouldn't try to take power?

Bush has no values, and he values only that which can make his legacy last.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:48 AM
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16. His money for one
His neck for another
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:19 AM
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3. I don't believe he will, but I don't rule it out as a possibility.
Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:42 AM
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10. I'm with you . . .
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:19 AM
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4. he will proudly hand the crown to hillary
pomp and circumstance fanfare and such
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:20 AM
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5. No, Bush is quickly losing his grip on power..
if he hasn't already lost it.
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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:17 AM
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22. power or reality? nt
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:18 PM
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25. Reality, a long time ago, the power is just recent..
although it's debatable how much actual power he ever possessed. I often wonder who in actuality has been calling the shots. I think Cheney was managing him with a very heavy hand, and now Poppy's faction has stepped in to get some control of the situation.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:20 AM
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6. I believe he would, but I have no idea whether or not he will.
I suspect no one here does, either.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:30 AM
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8. There are many comments here
to that effect. Thus the poll.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:28 AM
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7. No. The system is not under threat.
There is no indication that any substantial change will occur under the Democrats that will affect those who hold real power.
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AllyCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:45 AM
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13. That's a good point. This Congress has been, on the whole,
ineffective at stopping him at doing anything he wants. Sure, there are a few investigations and some real soldiers in there trying to change things, but ultimately, they will roll over and do whatever he wants.
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cdb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:35 AM
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9. Tin foil hat time...
I vote yes, with a false flag gulf of tonkin/911 event
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MorningGlow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:44 AM
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12. He'll try; he'll fail
Their time is past. Fool me once...can't git fooled agin!
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:48 AM
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14. since 9/12/2001 ...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:55 AM
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17. Huh?
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zbdent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:05 PM
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24. I've believed that Bush would put this country under martial law
since at least 9/12/2001 ... maybe even earlier.

I also feel that, had Gore been the recipient of the decision of the SCOTUS 12/12/2000, we wouldn't have had the terrorist attacks on 9/11/2001 ... because Osama bin Laden would have been watching CNN International coverage of the "courageous Republicans" fighting a civil war because of the "illegally installed pResident" Gore occupying the White House ...
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wildhorses Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:04 AM
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19. bingo!!
we have been under monarchy rule from that day. the crown will pass from bush to clinton. that is the plan. so far, everything is proceeding according to plan.
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rjones2818 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:48 AM
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15. 50/50 with odds in favor increasing if we hit Iran.
:grr:
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american_typeculture Donating Member (227 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:55 AM
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18. Doesn't have to.
He has already installed an ersatz martial law without people realizing it.
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clixtox Donating Member (941 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:13 AM
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20. Shhh...

Absolutely true! The land of the free and the home of the brave sank into fascism without making even a ripple.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:15 AM
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21. Eeeek!!


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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:19 AM
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23. Where's the i don't believe nutt'n button?
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PRETZEL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 12:55 PM
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26. no way
this little pissant can say anything he wants. who could possibly even try to enforce it.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:13 PM
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27. Absolutely not
Absolutely not. He is nothing more than a lame duck and his allies realize that and by doing so, are divesting themselves from him, from his policies, and from his actions-- for all intents and purposes, he has no left on his side and lacks the political muscle to get even the smallest of his interests noted, let alone something on this scale.

It's a nice wet-dream for the post-apocalyptic, my-gun-is-bigger-than-your-gun crowd, but in all practical terms, he blew any chance he might have had to pull something like that off.
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warren pease Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:36 PM
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28. Reasonable chance, not a given though... (longish)
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 01:38 PM by warren pease
I'd say keys are the TopOFF/Vigilant Shield O8, coming Oct. 15 to a city near me. TopOFF is a multi-agency simulation (one hopes) of the detonation and response to an attack by a low-yield (the old "suitcase bomb") nuclear device. Vigilant Shield is an exercise that simulates (one hopes) imposition of martial law as one facet of the official response to the suitcase bomb. There will be thousands of troops, guardsmen, local enforcement agencies, FBI, FEMA personnel here, all under the watchful eye of Michael (gut feeling) Chertoff.

So... a couple of worst-case scenarios: This exercise may be blamed on Iranian Islamic radicals and used as the catalyst to galvanize public opinion for an attack against Iran (possibly using "tactical" nuclear weapons). Or it may be used to impose control of the population if Iran has already been attacked and the public isn't falling into line behind the official story.

The second possibility assumes TopOFF/Vigilant Shield is another of those fantastic coincidences in which training exercises -- such as the 9/11/01 NORAD redeployment/stand down, along with the false blips that appeared on FAA radar screens to confuse air traffic controllers as to which planes were real and which were electronically simulated -- have magically morphed into the exact, real-life situation that the exercise was intended to simulate.

Same thing happened on 7/7/07 in London, where MI-5, possibly MI-6, local paramilitary cops, and possibly CIA advisers were running an exercise that involved bombs blowing up three tube stations and an off-course bus. Suddenly, as the simulation was in progress, these exact events magically occurred, right on script and right on schedule. These events included destroying the off-course bus and setting off explosions in the only three tube stations that were part of the exercise.

Forensics has since proven that the bombs in the stations were mounted under the cars, not carried on by the alleged Islamic perps. Because the explosions blew holes in the floors of the cars and curved the metal surrounding the holes upwards, physical evidence proves the bombs were placed under the cars and not brought on in the designated patsies' backpacks, as the official story maintained.

So, the zillion dollar question: Would BushCo do it? Physical evidence and dozens of ignored protocols and other procedural anomalies suggest they already have.

What about their respect for human life? Evidence of more than a million dead Iraqis, as many as four million Iraqi refugees, 3,836 US troops killed or MIA at latest count, along with an estimated 27,004 seriously wounded in action (brain damage, loss of limbs, third-degree burns over more than half their bodies), suggests human life is just another disposal commodity to this administration -- useful to achieve objectives, useless when no longer capable or required.

Do they have the skill to pull it off? Well that's a tough one. On the one hand, they seem to screw up everything they touch. But on closer examination, they've been highly successful at implementing their core agenda -- more money for war contractors, more money for petrochemical companies, further transfer of remaining wealth from the bottom and middle to the top, ruining the economy and setting up a situation in which the top few percent can buy huge amounts of property cheaply from owners desperate to sell before foreclosure, piling up massive debt as an excuse to kill off the few remaining social programs, keeping much of the population in a state of constant fear which is by far the best social control mechanism around, and following to the letter the PNAC plan for "full-spectrum dominance" laid out so plainly and publicly in their 2000 manifesto, "Rebuilding America's Defenses." Could be time for another "...new Pearl Harbor."

The only circumstances that mitigate against this dark scenario are the possibility that Congress will finally acknowledge that they're not dealing with rational people and use whatever tools they have left to put the brakes on these runaway lunatics.

Or maybe the public starts listening to the "conspiracy nuts" and creates such a stir that BushCo can't get away with another false flag op without risking serious the kind of massive outcry that could lead to legal sanctions -- like arrest, charges of high treason, a very public trial in which long-buried truths are forced into the public consciousness by a suddenly vigilant mass media (which is simply hedging its bets, of course, and hasn't suddenly converted to the practice of actual journalism) and stiff sentences which include a provision that at least a dozen of the co-conspirators be handed over to The Hague so the rest of the world can have a little fun, too.

Or BushCo decides that public acceptance of war with Iran and domestic compliance with "necessary restrictions on travel and other activities" -- except for shopping and going to work -- is going so well that the logistical problems of imposing martial law aren't worth the bother.

Or, finally, those of us who subscribe to some version of the above as at least a possibility worth considering are all, to the last man or woman, absolutely out of our fucking heads and should be institutionalized immediately for our own good and for the good of society.

Personally, I'm hoping for option one or, at worst, option four. I'd love to see congress act as if something besides their upcoming campaigns is on the line. I'd also prefer to be completely off base about every single doomsday hypothesis I've noted above.

Let's hope that's the case. The alternative is too horrible to deal with.


wp


Edited because why use a couple of paragraphs when a thousand words will do?
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sutz12 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:40 PM
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29. Voted no.....I think 2006 may have given us a reprieve.
However, his continued abuse of the military raises the specter that if he does try it, would the military back him and follow orders, or depose him and turn the government over to Congress?

It seems that they have a goal of weakening the military, and in particular the National Guard, to the breaking point. IMO, the military might be our last hope if the authoritarians get desperate and try something.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:49 PM
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30. Nope. I guaranTEE you.
He'd rather have his own personal, precious hide stay free of lead.
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Prisoner_Number_Six Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 02:04 PM
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31. "Now watch this drive."


He would will, in a hot second. No doubt about it.
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