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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:44 AM
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Hillary says we should have the same care as goverment gets..I agree with THAT.
Federal health premiums to rise only slightly
By Karen Rutzick krutzick@govexec.com September 19, 2006
http://www.govexec.com/story_page.cfm?articleid=35053&dcn=health

In January, federal employees will see their health insurance premiums rise an average of 2.3 percent -- a much smaller increase than in years past.

Individual enrollees in the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program will pay an extra $1.45 every two weeks for a total of $58.45. Those with family plans will pay $3.13 more for a total of $131.64, on average.

And in the biggest plan, Blue Cross Blue Shield, premiums won't go up at all. They will even decrease under certain options. More than 50 percent of the 8 million FEHBP participants belong to Blue Cross Blue Shield. Local plans, such as those operated by health maintenance organizations, will get more expensive.

Officials at the Office of Personnel Management, which oversees the FEHBP, said the primary reason for a lower premium hike this year is a more liberal use of reserve funds. Those are taken from participants' premiums each year and hoarded to cover unexpected medical costs.

OPM Director Linda Springer said at a press briefing Tuesday that the insurance companies themselves first floated the idea of dipping into reserves this year, and her financial team found the circumstances were right. OPM will use $500 million from an $11 billion pot of reserves -- less than 5 percent.

"Performance was good enough, and didn't have to build" the reserve, Springer said.

But Jacqueline Simon, public policy director for the American Federation of Government Employees, said the reserves are being used improperly.

"What we know is true is that enrollees' premiums will go up by more than the government's premiums," Simon said. "And the reason for that is that OPM manipulated the allocation of the so-called excess reserves to give themselves a greater subsidy."

The government's contributions will go up 1.6 percent next year. That's smaller than the enrollee increase because of a technical matter involving timing differences in calculating the two portions, according to Nancy Kichak, OPM's associate director for strategic human resources policy.

Last year, enrollees had a 10 percent average premium increase, while the government's hike was 5.2 percent. Premium increases peaked in fiscal 2002, when they reached 12.7 percent between employees and the government. The last time they were this low was in 1997, when there was a 1.6 percent hike divided between enrollees and the government.

Federal employees and retirees will be able to pick their insurance plan for 2007 during open season, which starts Nov. 13. About a week before that, OPM will post brochures on its Web site detailing costs and coverage in each plan.

For the first time, current and retired federal employees will be able to choose supplemental vision and dental insurance during the open season. Biweekly premiums for family dental plans range from around $20 to $55 and feature 100 percent coverage for preventative dental work and varying coverage for other procedures. Family vision insurance will range from about $8 to $16 every two weeks. There is no government subsidy for the dental and vision insurance.

Also for the first time, OPM is publicizing specific insurance plans that meet its standards for cost transparency. The 18 companies will let enrollees get cost information for certain procedures including cataract repair, caesarean birth and knee replacement to allow participants to shop for the best deal. OPM will feature the companies during open season.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:45 AM
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1. Did she say you would get it at the same cost? n/t
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:47 AM
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3. We should hold her to that promise.. and hey..if big spenders like they are
get low costs, why should the "little guy" have to pay more :evilgrin:
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:49 AM
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4. She didn't "promise" anything other than you have access to the same PLANS
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 09:50 AM by antigop
>>
If you have a plan you like, you keep it. If you want to change plans or aren't currently covered, you can choose from dozens of the same plans available to members of Congress, or you can opt into a public plan option like Medicare.
>>

Where did she promise you would have the same costs as members of Congress?

<edit to add> How can you hold her to a promise she didn't make?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:54 AM
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6. SIgn up for her webcast and ask her yourself. It is tonight
She has a live webcast on health care tonight 8pm

People can sign up and submit questions

Read the plan and RSVP for the webcast:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/healthcare
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:55 AM
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8. There's no need to ask. Besides, I don't REGISTER for for webcasts. n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:02 AM
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13. I have no doubt that the biggest haters and complainers
will not participate. They really don't want answers.

They just enjoy the squack and squee too damn much
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:02 AM
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14. I repeat. I DON'T REGISTER FOR WEBCASTS! n/t
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:55 AM
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23. Yes, I understand much better when you use all caps. Thanks
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 01:26 PM
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26. Shouting does not make you clearer.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:33 PM
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27. Well, sometimes people can't (or won't )listen otherwise n/t
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 07:34 PM by antigop
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 07:35 PM
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28. My, my, I must have upset some people about pointing out you have to REGISTER for the webcast. n/t
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:46 AM
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2. Hmmmmmmmmmmm, where
have I heard that before:yoiks:
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rodeodance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:52 AM
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5. Edwards proposal would cut off health care for the president, Congress and all political appointees
Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Edwards proposal would cut off health care for the president, Congress and all political appointees
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1828014#1828014
1828014, Edwards proposal would cut off health care for the president, Congress and all political appointees
Posted by rodeodance on Mon Sep-17-07 04:15 PM



yup!


Forum Name Political Videos
Topic subject John Edwards - No Excuse for the Pres and Congress to Have Health Care When America Doesn't Have It
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x55057#55057
55057, John Edwards - No Excuse for the Pres and Congress to Have Health Care When America Doesn't Have It
Posted by jsamuel on Mon Sep-17-07 03:03 PM

The campaign of fellow Democrat John Edwards, which has already put out a detailed a health care plan, will up the ante Monday during a speech to the Laborers' International Union of North America in Chicago, Illinois, campaign sources said.

The Edwards proposal would cut off health care for the president, Congress and all political appointees in mid 2009, if a universal health care plan for all Americans has not been passed by then.

Edwards is expected to outline "basic principles" the health care plan would have to meet, the sources.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/09/17/health.care/?iref=mpstoryview

"The cost of failure 14 years ago isn’t anybody’s scars or political fortune, it’s the millions of Americans who have now gone without health care for more than 14 years and the millions more still crushed by the costs.

"So I’m glad that, today, the architect of the 1993 plan has another care proposal - and if imitation is the sincerest form of flattery, then I’m flattered.

"But unless Senator Clinton’s willing to acknowledge the truth about our broken government and the cost of health care reform, I’m afraid flattery will get us nowhere."

http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/edwards_rips_hillary_on_health_care.php

http://www.actblue.com/page/du-presidential
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:54 AM
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7. Good move by John, but Congress would have to pass it.
What are the chances the leadership would even bring said proposal to a vote?
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durrrty libby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:57 AM
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9. She has a live webcast on health care tonight 8pm
She has a live webcast on health care tonight 8pm

People can sign up and submit questions

Read the plan and RSVP for the webcast:
http://www.hillaryclinton.com/healthcare


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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 09:59 AM
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10. Yes, a webcast that you HAVE TO REGISTER for. n/t
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:12 AM
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16. And I'll bet they'll be logging IP addresses,won't they? n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:15 AM
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17. I have submitted questions before.The odds of your question being answered are
not great.That being said, it is worth a shot.But if someone doesn't like to register , I can understand.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:17 AM
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18. Exactly. So why bother? n/t
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saracat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:24 AM
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19. Well, I am not a Hillary supporter but I do try to listen to what she has to say.I listen to all the
candidates.I want to know what they think.
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antigop Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:26 AM
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21. That's fine. No problem. But you shouldn't have to REGISTER for what they have to say. n/t
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:01 AM
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11. And guaranteed, with oversight by our elected representatives...
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 10:02 AM by Orsino
...rather than relegating it to private insurers. You think we "should" have this Senator, or are you willing to carve it in stone and dedicate your career to being our watchdog?

No, I suspect you'd like to sign a piece of paper and never hear of it again.
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tularetom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:01 AM
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12. Those are the plans for employees - what about congress?
I'll bet the plans for senators and congress persons are a lot more inclusive and 100% paid by the taxpayers.

I don't want the plan government employees get - I want the same plan elected government officials have.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:04 AM
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15. I looked and looked, but never found that one, spelled out
Someone once said their was complete 100% coverage for about $30 a month.. but i cannot prove it..

Maybe someone needs to do some sleuthing and try to find a congressperson willing to show us the goods, so we can see what they actually PAY for their share of the RollsRoyce coverage they have..

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Bluerthanblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:31 AM
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22. that is what John Kerry campaigned on- and what
I support-

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Johonny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:26 AM
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20. I disagree
we should not have private for profit insurance companies as the gate keepers to medical needs.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:02 AM
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25. I am in favor of single payer, BUT if she's pushing the insurance' version
Edited on Tue Sep-18-07 11:03 AM by SoCalDem
and if it's what we're gonna end up with.. I wan HER plan for the same money :)
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jwirr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:59 AM
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24. My problem with her health care plan is not with what we get but
how we administer it. She is hooked into the idea that it should be provided through insurance companies.

I have a little experience with Social Security Plan D which is administered by whatever insurance plan you chose. My daughter is severely disabled and requires very specific care to maintain her life. We have had to fight for many things including several fights over the use of dilantin. First they would not give us 100mm pills because they wanted us to use 30mm - which meant that a woman who has trouble swallowing had to take many pills instead of several. Then they refused to pay for dilantin unless it was the generic form which does not work with her. They also changed her face medicine which controls her sinuses also and she suffered for months until we finally got them to listen. Her health is very fragile and they ignore the doctors advise - a doctor who has known her for 25 years - and play God with her life.

If the insurance company is involved at all it should merely be as the programs bookkeeper.


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