Meet Kerry's heckler

[ProSense]

He brags about heckling baseball player Ken Griffey Jr and says 'I am a born heckler'...

I pissed off Ken Griffey, Jr. Before I explain how, let me repeat that for a second: I pissed off Ken Griffey, Jr. So here’s what happened: I went to see the Marlins play the Cincinnati Reds on May 31, 2004, and sat eight rows behind home plate. My real seat was way up in the upper deck, so I was practically forced to sneak into a better section.

< snip >

Now, you have to know this about me: I am huge Marlins fan, and a born heckler. My purpose in life is to badger, jeer, and cajole professional athletes. I have angered two other All-Star baseball players, Bobby Abreu and Odalis Perez, on separate occasions. I have booed singers that mess up the national anthem. Heck, I’ll even heckle other hecklers if I don’t care for their stuff. What happened during this particular game was destined to be, the paths of Griffey and I on a collision course.

<snip>

"WALK CASEY TO GET TO GRIFFEY!" I shouted at the top of my lungs. "WALK CASEY TO GET TO GRIFFEY!" I now not only had the attention of my entire section, but Griffey himself turned an eye in my direction, and began to stare. I was on my feet, and he spotted me immediately.

<snip>

There was no question about it now. Griffey was staring me down, angry. Instantly I realized what I had done. I had twisted the lion’s tail, awakened a sleeping giant, rousted the dragon from his lair. . . .

Just before Monday's scuffle started, Meyer asked a woman to tape his exchange with Kerry. One officer said the woman was "there to film him" and that Meyer asked, "Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?" before beginning his question.

Another officer said the 22-year-old woman said she was in line to ask a question ahead of Meyer when she was asked to tape, but she did not know him.

<...>

An officer, however, said in the police report that Meyer's "demeanor completely changed once the cameras were not in sight" and that he was "laughing" and "lighthearted" on the way to jail.

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[american_typeculture]

1. He's got Al Queda written all over him.

Send him to gitmo.

[daninthemoon]

23. If this was a bushler and co event, he'd be half way there already

[LisaM]

2. Not only a line cutter, but a seat stealer!

Yikes! I have to wonder about his parents. He does seem a bit histrionic.

[Bonobo]

3. It"s not about the KID. It is about OUR rights. OUR RIGHTS!

Do it to this kid, do it to all of us.

[TomInTib]

8. About OUR RIGHTS to throw a punch at a cop?

That is what got him arrested.

[daninthemoon]

29. That was pretty clear on the video. He resisted.

[Bonobo]

32. You're wrong.

[TomInTib]

41. So it is OK to punch a cop?

I would not recommend it.

[Bonobo]

52. Not ok to punch a cop. He didn't punch a cop and it wasn't what got him thrown out.

Cops were all over him way, way before things got out of control and they got out of control because of the cops. You are blaming the victim.

[peace13]

15. Many here do not understand your point.

You are absolutely correct. Some actually have to feel the boot to the ribs to realize what we have lost. Peace, KIm

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[ClassWarrior]

21. I think most here understand shades of grey.

The cops were wayyy wrong, but apparently the kid was no saint himself. What's wrong with understanding that?

NGU.

[Capn Sunshine]

42. Not like the loss happened this week. Missippi State, Kent State ...they fired on us for less

and to let this publicity hound stand on their graves to get his fifteen minutes, seems wrong somehow.

[LittleClarkie]

31. We have a right to heckle?

What about the right of the audience members to hear what Kerry had to say without the heckler.

And this pretty much proves his wasn't there to merely ask a question. He was there to cause a scene. Well, he did. Sounds like he was pretty happy about it too.

[Bonobo]

37. Ridiculous. We have a right to freedom of political speech.

[LittleClarkie]

45. So, does this right have a time limit? What about the right of the person next in line

not to have their time taken up by a rambling rant?

[Cookie wookie]

74. Excuse me -- we're now supposed to be tasered and arrested if we take too

long at the microphone.

Get this clear: he wasn't breaking any law, unless in Fla it's against the law to be an a-hole, in which case half of Florida's government officials would be candidates for jail.

To excuse what happened is to not understand the implications & meaning.

That Kerry stood by and let it happen is inexcusable. He could have said, wait, let him finish, it's okay. He had the mike & the power. He stood by, probably as surprised as anyone and not expecting the drama that would be played out, but nevertheless, he wasn't able to react quickly enough to diffuse the situation or to help the kid (and the police for that matter, since they were over-reacting.

For the kids to applaud the boy's being accosted by the police was extremely disturbing as well.

Sure it made everyone think twice about getting emotional or taking too long at the mike afterward, that is if anyone stayed. If anyone has video of the audience I'd like to see it.

[LittleClarkie]

77. Most of the people I've seen who thought he was a jerk did not think he should be tasered

Two different issues.

[Capn Sunshine]

63. and you have the right to the consequences

no one owes you anything, if you want to be a disruptor, mazel tov, but be prepared for consequences.

Often, exercise of a right involves confrontation with someone who doesn't want you to do it. You may have noticed this. The constitution doesn't guarantee your freedom of speech pro tempore, it says that your rights to it (free speech)shall not be infringed. It doesn't say anything about the consequence of the act of exercise.

[Cookie wookie]

79. That's why we have laws, so everyone can be clear on what the limits

are on our behavior.

If someone can come up with the law he broke, I'd like to see it. We might say, okay, he fought with the police. In the video, when he realizes what is happening, he raises his hands above his head, but is clearly frightened and disturbed, knowing he hasn't broken any law, and obviously from what he's yelling, frightened of what is happening. If the police will arrest him when he didn't break any law, what will they do to him. He had a right to be frightened and to try to escape their control. By the time he was at the back of the hall, he was saying, let me go and I'll leave. Instead they wrestled him to the floor and tasered him.

[SayWhatYo]

71. Honest question then.

If he went in there spewing some right wing talking points, would you still be defending him and his right to be as disruptive as he was? Where are the limits? Should anyone be able to shutdown anything they want without being thrown out?

*I would like to point out that I think the cops were out of line for whipping out the taser, but not for trying to get him out of there.

[datasuspect]

94. yes, the first amendment protects heckling

that's what freedom tastes like.

[cherokeeprogressive]

44. EVERYBODY has the right to SPEAK HIS/HER MIND. NO ONE has the right to be HEARD.

Show me in the Consitution where it says you have a right to hijack a discussion because you want to be heard.

[LittleClarkie]

47. Good point. Doesn't say anything to a right to an audience and a microphone

does it.

Or a right to be disruptive while you're practicing your free speech.

[cherokeeprogressive]

51. Not at all. n/t

[moodforaday]

106. So when Bush's people

set up "free speech zones" at his events, effectively corraling protesters, you're okay with that?

And where can I get a complete list of questions that are allowed at Kerry's events, please? Or Hillary's or Obama's? I'm allergic to tasering, you know.

[SayWhatYo]

72. What happens to people when they are disruptive here at DU(or most other places)?

[TheUniverse]

116. This is a private forum

And police do not taze the hecklers here. You can't compare the two.

[blm]

86. Well - what HAPPENED exactly after he pushed and shoved all the OTHER STUDENTS

who were waiting in line ahead of him to exercise their right to speak?



Ted Donaldson (Rollins) wrote
5 hours ago
"If you want to hear it from someone that was there:

The disturbance did not begin with Andrew asking the question. He caused quite a scene by bursting into the room in the middle of Q+A, rudely interrupting Kerry answering another question (what was supposed to be the last one), and demanding to be heard. The cops followed him in (I have the feeling he had been giving them a hard time outside as well)

John Kerry responded by asking him to calm down and wait his turn, that his question would be answered next.

As some of the videos show, his question was long and rambling without much focus, less of a question if you will than an outburst. John Kerry remained calm, tried to guide him to the direct question he would like answered, but Andrew continued. After Accent cut his mike off, the cops tried to guide him out and as you can all see the real event began.

I was sitting in the back row of the auditorium- less than 5 feet from where he was restrained and ended up being tasered. (you can see my green shirt next to my friend in the striped shirt on most of the videos) He WAS NOT handcuffed yet when they did it. He was still attempting to get up and resist the police officers and would not put his hands behind his back.

Within close range, I have to say that I didn't feel it was the safest situation. I did not feel like they had him under control at all- and was scared that if he did manage to get up- he would have started getting riled up again. I personally was in a location that if he had started flailing around again- I would have been at risk.

Now- my opinion- I think Andrew had intentions to be disruptive and was not going to leave peacefully. I am by no means a proponent of violence, but the way the UPD handled this situation was completely appropriate."

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Post #2Erin Decker (UF) wrote
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Thank you for posting that. I was also at the forum and completely agree with that account of the incident. I also felt unsafe because Mr. Meyer was being excessively aggressive and violent. I am thankful that UPD was finally able to control the situation and think they acted properly.Reply to Erin
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Post #3Chris Agard (FIU) replied to Ted's post
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I'd like to also thank you. I wasn't as close to him, but agree that his actions were meant to disrupt, and make a scene. He deserved what he got and UPD did what they had to, and had they not handled it as professionally as they did, they wouldn't be doing ther jobs. Being that it was Sen. Kerry the police also had to act accordingly.



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[TomInTib]

4. And he swung at a cop.

Swung at a cop.

Clipped him right on the chin with his right fist.

If that had happened in Houston, they would probably be doing an autopsy on the idiot right now.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

12. Well, if I swung at a cop...

I wouldn't be surprised if I woke up with a PR-24 up my tookus. ;-)

[TomInTib]

19. I was telling our Town's Motorcycle Cop (MotorMike)just the other day.

I have committed just about every brainless act that I can think of doing.

But one of the reasons that I am alive today is that I have never resisted arrest (and I have been arrested on multiple occasions).

[truckin]

59. Punching a cop was really stupid. But that only happenned after

he was dragged away from the microphone for just asking his questions (albeit obnoxiously). They should have just cut the mike off and give him some time to move on. The cops were on him way too quickly, IMO.

[eleny]

14. Handcuffs

That's a situation for handcuffs not tasering. Just because Houston may be a police state doesn't mean today's tasering was right.

This situation made me think of how I felt about the ACLU defending the skinheads in Skokie years ago. I didn't like the skinhead, nazi message. But I understood why the ACLU took their case.

Democracy is messy or uncomfortable sometimes and it's always fragile.

[dailykoff]

26. I'm sure his new friends will make it worth his while.

This if FLA don't forget.

[eleny]

28. I don't understand your point

Sorry, I just didn't get it.

[dailykoff]

39. A talented amateur just turned pro.

I'm guessing one of Karl's proteges spotted and recruited him or maybe he's been a plant-in-training all along.

[dailykoff]

43. p.s. the point is that swiftboaters get paid for their trouble.

Not always well or faithfully, as I recall, but when has the RW ever treated their employees with respect?

[eleny]

46. And because you believe this, it's okay for him to have been tasered?

[dailykoff]

54. I don't even know that he was tasered.

Nothing is as it appears in the GOP swamplands, but if he WAS tasered, I'm sure he was well prepared, as professional actors usually are.

[dailykoff]

55. "Are you taping this? Do you have this? You ready?"

This was not a prank and he is not just a crazy kid.

[girl gone mad]

81. So, he wanted his question to Kerry taped.

So what? He wanted to post video of himself asking Kerry pointed questions up on his blog. BFD.

What is it that you think this supposedly proves?

[eleny]

56. And when it happens to one of "us", then what?

Perhaps you're reserving your outrage for the deserving. I see now. I disagree with your point of view but thanks for your clarification.

[dailykoff]

60. It's been happening for years, yes, and been in the news,

which is where they get their ideas. Like hijackings--first they're real, then they're fake. :tinfoilhat:

But as far as tasering goes, yeah, it's a problem, and it's going to get worse before it gets better. This one may well have been real, I don't really know, but the point is that it was staged and I'd be very surprised if the guy didn't get paid for his troubles.

[eleny]

61. You're supposing too much for my taste

I'll wait for all the facts. But no matter who he is, I don't ever want to get so used to tasering that I begin to accept it for people with whom I disagree. Six cops, one guy who is just flailing. No thanks to accepting tasering under those circumstances. I refuse to be "tenderized" to violence against citizens.

[dailykoff]

65. Yes, I should have added IMHO,

sorry about that. This is entirely my opinion, absolutely, and I agree with you that tasering is brutal and inhuman and this was a fine display, but then they'll do anything to splash a little disgrace on Kerry, not that it ever sticks. :)

[eleny]

88. I understand

Take care and :pals:

[dailykoff]

102. thanks eleny

you too! :grouphug:

[dailykoff]

62. IMHO. (n.t)

[Goldfish]

93. You may be right.

I was very upset when I saw the film clip this morning and was
very sympathetic toward the young man being tazered.  I did a
lot of channel surfing to find out more about the story.  I
think it was on NBC that they showed a clip of Meyers a few
months ago when the last Harry Potter book was being released.
 Meyers was standing on a street corner holding a book and a
sign that read "Harry died" or something like that. 
People driving by were upset because he was trying to get
their attention and spoil their anticipation of reading the
book to find out for themselves.  I'm not a Harry Potter fan
so I don't know if this is how the book ended, but I thought
it was an asshole thing to do and my sympathy for him
evaporated.   I think he is an attention-seeker and a bit of a
drama king.  Don't get me wrong.  I am against the use of
tasers, especially if the situation is not life-threatening. 
There have been too many deaths that have resulted.  Just my 2
cents.

[parasim]

34. Huh. I missed the roundabout. Could you point me to where in the video...

... he "swung at the cop"? I seemed to have missed it after watching it a few times.

If it is true that he was tasered, then in my opinon, whether he was a professional heckler, freeper plant or just an idiot, there was no need to taser him.

But then again, I'm opposed to public torture. Are cops not taught how to deal with people "taking swings" at them without pulling out the portable torture machines they seem to all carry with them nowadays?

I suspect that nobody is going to get in to a place where a senator is speaking with any sort of weapon, so why did they feel the need to taser (or threaten to taser) him? Can't five or six officers control somebody like that?

Now, if it turns out that he was indeed not tasered, and he was just play-acting for attention or whatever, then that's a different story.

[eleny]

49. I watched for it, too

With he sound off so I could concentrate. Maybe someone will post a link to such a video. Perhaps in his flailing he connected with the officer.

But I agree with you. I'm counting six officers holding him down. It just played on Dan Abrams program. Six officers and they couldn't just put the handcuffs on him? Not a proud day for the police, imo.

[Bassic]

111. I think it was in the police report.

So it's gotta be true right?

[Cookie wookie]

82. If those screams were fake, he'd be a great actor.

But it is obvious to me from the various videos that they weren't fake. In one you can hear the taser buzzing while he screams!

[Robb]

92. Well, tasers hurt.

...Having been hit with one, I can say it smarts more than you can imagine. He didn't get much juice if he could still scream, though. It's kind of like jumping into really cold water, hard to draw a breath right away.

That said I'd rather be zapped than hit in the head with a club, although I'm relatively healthy and therefore more likely to survive the taser without needing someone else to tie my shoes from here on out.

[ddeclue]

5. One of those jocks (maybe O.J??) will pound him into the ground one of these days...

Doug D.

[KAZ]

6. Taser him. Now!

[saracat]

7. What a piece of work! I said it initially and I still say he is demented!

No one first reaction is "Is everyone watching this? followed by " police brutality" to being escorted out.The cops initially were nice to him.I saw the video.He was a jerk!

[onehandle]

9. But...he was just an innocent kid asking important questions!

DUers crack me up sometimes.

[daninthemoon]

36. I haven't seen the beginning of his questioning. At what point did

he refuse to yield the mic, and did he get answers to his first questions? What exactly started the fracas? I understand Kerry was willing to keep talking to him. Is that correct?

[LittleClarkie]

50. Yes, according to Kerry's statement.

Here it is.

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of answering him when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted."

[Supersedeas]

119. yep....sure does

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

10. Definitely A Mentally Unstable Irrational Asshole. He's Got All Sorts Of Issues.

[ClassWarrior]

40. You mean like this?

"Just Gotta Ask: Who Else Here Is Giddy As Fuck That OJ Might Finally Get His Ass Thrown In Prison?"

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1840122&mesg_id=1840122

NGU.

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

58. Oh Get Off It Already. Sheesh! LOL

Talk about bad analogies. :crazy:

[american_typeculture]

78. People are "assholes" and events are "stupid" with you.

I've read about two dozen of your many posts and you haven't said a god damn thing. Do you have anything 'real' to say?

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

83. He Was An Asshole. He Was A Total Asshole. A Monumental Asshole Even.

I just simply speak the truth about things. Don't like it? Ahhhhhh well. :hi:

[U4ikLefty]

98. Takes one to know one. n/t

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

101. So That Makes All Three Of Us Assholes Then, No?

Me for calling him an asshole, and you for surmising that I am.

But then, I guess that makes me a double asshole cause I'm pointing to him and you.

Hmmm. That's ok. I can live with that.

:rofl:

[U4ikLefty]

105. Ahh, but I never stated that I knew you were an "asshole", so HAH!!!

I just stated that "It takes one to know one".

I never said what "one" was, or even that YOU were "one". It could've been an anonymous WalMart-shopper, or an SUV-driver or an anti-choice thug...I dunno.

...but it's nice for you to admit to your assholishness...as if THAT was a secret. :rofl:

[AnotherGreenWorld]

117. I agree, and I don't say it to be rude to the kid.

But he did say he thought the cops were going to give him to the government and kill him.

[spooky3]

11. Hmm, of whom does this little sociopath remind you?

[IndyOp]

13. Taser - Bad, No excuse. None. And, this guy was not just another student

who wanted to ask tough questions - he was setting this up to get attention, not to learn something new or to inform people in attendance.

It seems to me that Andrew is not the hero of democracy that some are making him out to be around here.

It is too bad that the officers did not videotape his demeanor on the way to jail -- I am suspicious of his being "lighthearted" so soon after being tasered.

Still, I am reading this event differently after hearing about his personal history of heckling - this was reported on AAR today during Randi's show. I was surprised that she did not modulate what she was saying after hearing about this.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

16. I Read His Blog

I liked his 04 entry when he said he was glad Shaq was coming to Miami...

Outside of that he seems like a putz...

[napi21]

17. He well may be a professional heckler, and deliberately looking for

trouble, but the cops were way over the line here! My first thought was that they were taught by Shrub's goons and this is the only way they know how to act!

Verbal assaults don't hurt anyone, and Kerry appeared to be handling the situation just fine. ALL politicians must be able to deal with opponents, and unless there seems to be a physical threat, the cops should stand down!

[liberalmuse]

20. And so the Bill of Rights is suspended for hecklers?

I'm...not...following the line of whatever you call this. In my defense, I don't watch Fox News.

[Peregrine Took]

22. I agree. What is with this weird Kerry defense team out in force today? We

know what we know and we saw what we saw.

Regardless of who the kid is -he was brutalized by the cops and Kerry stood by like a slug.

[ClassWarrior]

24. Yes, because the best opinions are based on a lack of information...

...and no understanding of circumstance or context.

:eyes:

NGU.

[brentspeak]

27. The answer to your question: Because people are sick & tired that Kerry gets slandered

and smeared and lied-about. Like he's been smeared today, for no reason.

Hope that helps.

[dailykoff]

25. And another actor struts his hour upon the stage.

Hope he enjoys his thirty pieces of sliver.

[Maine-ah]

30. I don't care if he's a "heckler"

he asked questions that many of us on here have wanted answers to.

[ClassWarrior]

33. Questions that he apparently didn't let the Senator answer.

For that reason alone it's helpful to have this context.

NGU.

[Enrique]

53. Kerry's answers are beside the point

he wasn't asking the questions because he cared about the answers, he asked questions he thought would be provocative and would get people to look at him. So when Kerry started answering reasonably, he had to become disruptive and make a stink.

[girl gone mad]

90. What do you mean...

didn't let Kerry answer? The cops jumped him before he was even finished asking his questions.

[LittleClarkie]

35. Then he should have asked them in a non-disruptive manner

It's pretty clear he came to start a ruckus. Well, congrats to him. He did it. Hope he's enjoying it.

[fedupinBushcountry]

38. Yeah

and you might have gotten the answers if the kid wasn't a heckler and just stood in line like everyone else and asked. Kerry said he would respond, what part don't you get ?

[Lorien]

68. True. Personally, I don't view his questions as a form of heckling at all

his delivery wasn't great, but I wasn't much of a public speaker at age 21 either, so I won't judge him for the shrill urgency of it. I suspect that if it had been a repug at the podium the responses here on DU would be very different from what they have been, which makes me rather fearful for our party and our future.

[rocktivity]

48. STILL no reason for FOUR cops to taser him

When they could have just bum-rushed him out the door.

:headbang:
rocknation

[cadmium]

66. very few are defending the tasering. The rest of the is falling

between whether he was disrupting a public event and refusing to stop -- depriving other stu[dents to hear more q&a or whether he was some hero. he seemed more like his intent was to disrpupt because he dask a question and then Kerry was startig to answer he morve forward toward the Senator asiking another question --not listenting tot the first answer. He could have been removed peafully llllllllllllllll by he fought four small cops. He didn tneed the taseriinb possibly a additional larger cop coul d have subdued him adequelauy by hadn. Thsi is how some escalated sotiations see to end == behing phhysoca; restraint

[globalvillage]

70. Agree

Certainly, from his statement and from his comments at the time of the incident, it's clear Senator Kerry would rather have answered the guy's questions than to have him tasered. I've seen Sen. Kerry handle difficult questioners, and I'm pretty sure if he could mop the floor with McCain like he did on Sunday, he's more than capable of answering questions from this kid.
Of course, Mumbles McCain may not be the best example.

IMO, the tasing was over the top.

[SayWhatYo]

73. I really wish the cops didn't taser him.

It would have made this whole thing far less of a mess.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

80. Oh, there'd still be plenty on DU moaning and crying.....

....and buying right into this wannabe Andy Kaufman's game.

[SayWhatYo]

84. Well, I gotta admit that I see some of myself in this guy....

I don't feel sorry for him though. I think he got what he wanted. This is just gonna be another notch in his belt when all is said and done....

[onenote]

118. seems to me that they tried to get him out the door and he kept trying to break away

[Enrique]

57. this guy was cruising for a bruising

crazing for a tasing.

[Malikshah]

64. Wow-- great priorities... a professional asshole vs. unfettered authority

of cops..

And folks wonder why the criminals are going guns ablazing down here in Florida...getting bolder and bolder...

[SayWhatYo]

67. This news makes me like the guy...

I was indifferent before, but now I'm a fan. :D

[Buzz Clik]

69. Yep, he's a total prick, and I called the staging of his act this morning.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=55357&mesg_id=55366

Someone should remind this asshole that cops taser pricks who resist arrest, and tasers sometimes kill.

[Cookie wookie]

85. Killed for being a jerk. That sounds like a great way to run the country.

Unless one has occasion at times to be a jerk themselves.

[Buzz Clik]

89. I can run out in the street and lay there for 5 minutes. Would I "deserve" to die?

Well, not really. But I sure as hell would be flirting with death lying in a busy road in the middle of the night.

This dick did the same thing -- he knew the exact consequences of his actions but did it anyway.

That's just plain stupid. Real stupid.

[Cookie wookie]

96. The kid didn't run out in the street. He commandeered a podium,

and politely asked questions, becoming a jerk only after the police tried to stop him from standing at the podium, and then defending himself from their assault afterward.

I posted this on another similar thread, but it bears repeating, lest anyone be confused about what happened at UF"

The following quote was taken from testimony in Congress in 1966, in the Subcommittee on Migratory Labor. The bold emphasis is mine.

"ROBERT KENNEDY QUESTIONS KERN COUNTY SHERIFF, 1966

Sheriff: Well, if we have reason to believe there's going to be a riot started, somebody tells me there's going to be trouble if you don't stop them, then its my duty to stop them.

RFK: You go out there and arrest them?

Sheriff: Absolutely.

RFK: Who told you that they were going to riot?

Sheriff: The men right out in the field that they were talking to said if you don't get them out of here we're going to cut their hearts out. So rather than letting them get cut you remove the cause.

RFK: This is a most interesting concept, I think, that you suddenly hear talk about that somebody makes a report about somebody's going to get out of order, perhaps violate the law, and you go in and arrest them, and they haven't done anything wrong. How do you go arrest somebody if they haven't violated the law?

Sheriff: They are ready to violate the law,in other words... just like these labor people out here...

RFK: Could I suggest in the interim period of time, in the luncheon period of time, that the sheriff and the district attorney read the Constitution of the United States.

http://www.paradigmproductions.org/voices/voices.html#a...

The film of this testimony is in the movie, "Bobby."

[onenote]

104. he was a jerk when he commandeered the podium

(Or, more accurately, when he barged into line, cut off another questioner and demanded to be heard).

He started off as a jerk.

[Buzz Clik]

108. The only people who agree with you post here at DU. And we're split.

He wasn't polite, and he acknowledged on his blog that he wanted to create a scene.

You are wrong.

[KurtNYC]

114. You have a more generous definition of "polite" (and "kid") than I

This doesn't seem polite or reasonable to me. Does he expect to get "2 hours" because Kerry did? He is condescending and doesn't care about the rules or the other students attending this event.


Kid being anything but polite:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIYTJ75U4NU&mode=related&search=

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

75. Someone should follow this asshole to his next public display of idiocy.....

....and throw a pie in his face or dump a bucket of water over his head. See how he enjoys the public forms of humiliation. He deserves the Anorexic Annie treatment.

I also hope K Griff homered in that at bat.

[paulk]

91. I think his next public display of idiocy is gonna be in a

courtroom... when the judge reads him his sentence.


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nice pic of Shirley, btw.

[girl gone mad]

76. So??

What does this have to do with anything?

[SayWhatYo]

87. It means probably had every intention on making scene.

Perhaps not tasered(which I think most agree was most likely out of line), but he was looking for this...

[The Count]

95. And the law he broke was? He still asked my questions - for which I am grateful

And Kerry still isn't able to handle a Q&A, or show concern for someone abused by police in front of him.
No matter how much you drag this guy through the mud, it doesn't make Kerry look any better. He saw what I saw and didn't give a damn. You can't change that.

[wisteria]

99. I have been to several events where Kerry handled Q&A beautifully.

And, there were disruptor there too. Only difference was that they had a point they wanted to make and Kerry listened and answered. This kid was after attention.

[wisteria]

97. I wonder if all his serious supports will be please with this account of the aftermath.

Of course this won't get any air play and the RW are just ROFL. We should insist people like Rhodes and Malloy get this information and people call them out on it.
I think that Student needs to be expelled. This just sucks. Senator Kerry doesn't deserve this kind of treatment from anyone. And, now to find out this kid did it on purpose. I am glad he got tazered-he actually did deserve it.

[wisteria]

100. Those who have been attacking Kerry should apologize to him after reading about

the real motives behind this students actions. But, they won't because they aren't big enough to admit they were mistaken and taken in by a brat looking for attention.

[HughMoran]

103. I'm bored

Is this the only crap we have to concern ourselves with tonight?

The cops overeacted to a kid who overeacted - what else needs to be said?

Did Kerry taser the kid? I didn't think so - calm down people.

[baby_mouse]

107. Being a Silly Chap is NOT suitable grounds for Electrocution, my dears.

REPEAT. MEMORISE.

[youthere]

I can't believe no one posted this yet but: CALL CONGRESS RIGHT FUCKING NOW!111!!!!!111!111!!!!

[youthere]

109. Delete_Dupe

[pampango]

110. Attacking the messenger or the message? n/t

[ProSense]

112. No pointing out he admits to being an intentional disrupter!

Is he attacking himself?

[followthemoney]

113. Welcome to the new and improved America.

It is legal to torture to make people say what the government wants them to say.

And legal to torture when they say something the government doesn't want them to say.

And habeus corpus shmaybeus morphus.

[Bluebear]

115. YOU meet him >>>>>>>>>>

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1848386&mesg_id=1848386