By what authority, who's authority does *anyone* have to taz anyone else?

[bridgit]

Go! This I gotta hear...

[ShortnFiery]

1. Hey, I don't like the way you type and I'm "a dog" person. TAZ You!!!

:rofl: :hi:

[bridgit]

7. then cheers & peace on'ya...

i think :toast: oh and...maybe blow me for that matter who knows :shrug:

[MonkeyFunk]

2. Taz does what he wants

[Swede]

3. Policing society prevents anarchy.

It is a necessary evil

[bridgit]

25. Yay! a 'necessary' evil for a change...i like it!!

:bounce:

[Rosemary2205]

43. What's evil about it?

Those men and women put their own life on the line everyday so that I can have some measure of safety in my person and property. I find NOTHING evil about that.

[baby_mouse]

62. Tase the messy people!

Tase the anarchists! Zap! Pew Pew!

No, thank you.

[zeemike]

4. Are you questioning the authority of Big Brother?

Careful now Agent Mike has been snooping around.

[bridgit]

8. perish the thought...

[JVS]

5. If we didn't taze, then the tazer-makers' children would go hungry. Can you live with that?

You disgust me! ;-)

[bridgit]

9. ah yes, it is agreed, capitalism is a cruel, stank misstress...

therefore please step off ;)

[whistle]

6. "By the authority vested in me, I tazer thee!"

...this has been going on for some time now and it has to be stopped.

<snip>
Tuesday, May 10, 2005

Pregnant woman 'Tasered' by police is convicted

By HECTOR CASTRO
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

She was rushing her son to school. She was eight months pregnant. And she was about to get a speeding ticket she didn't think she deserved.

So when a Seattle police officer presented the ticket to Malaika Brooks, she refused to sign it. In the ensuing confrontation, she suffered burns from a police Taser, an electric stun device that delivers 50,000 volts.

"Probably the worst thing that ever happened to me," Brooks said, in describing that morning during her criminal trial last week on charges of refusing to obey an officer and resisting arrest.

She was found guilty of the first charge because she never signed the ticket, but the Seattle Municipal Court jury could not decide whether she resisted arrest, the reason the Taser was applied.

To her attorneys and critics of police use of Tasers, Brooks' case is an example of police overreaction.
<MORE>

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/223578_taser10.html

[JVS]

11. I taze you in the name of Law, Order, and The American Way.

[bridgit]

16. apple pie? Nathan hotdogs? cause i sure hope so...

:dilemma:

[JVS]

17. Hey, if you want to go off and taze in the name of "mom, baseball, and apple pie" go ahead, heretic

[bridgit]

21. we are all heretics in the eyes of the goddess...

time to deal with it ;)

[JVS]

26. oh you are really getting heretical now with this goddess-bullshit

[bridgit]

12. all hail chaos!!

the golden apple of the sun...who can argue with the sun & it's presumed source of reason :thumbsup:

[Toucano]

19. Adorable!

Nobody better taser that 'lil bunny!

[Selatius]

10. I don't know, but I imagine it has something to do with you having a badge and decision-making power

Power over others. That's usually how historic abuses of the dis-empowered begin.

[Cookie wookie]

15. Probably didn't help that the guy was yelling

"Impeach bush, impeach bush"!

[liberalmuse]

13. By the authority of the United Federation of Planets.

Captain Kirk was highly trained in the discriminate art of tasering. The cops in Florida could stand to watch Star Trek, and NOT the Priceline commercials where Shatner gratuitously tasers some poor guy in his own house.

[subsuelo]

14. obviously, interrupting grants that authority

[bridgit]

18. sons of bitches Code Pink motherfuckers!!

they're next!! then maybe you & me :cry:

[TahitiNut]

20. "By MY authority!"

[bridgit]

22. cool, TahitiNut, would you loan me 20 bucks i'm a little short on my bar tab...

thank you in advance :beer:

[TahitiNut]

23. Sure. Here ya go ...

[bridgit]

27. heh-heh, zippity do-dah, zippity eh......

:hi:

[jpgray]

24. Fuck, I didn't even like that they tried to -walk- the guy, despite his being a disruptive asshat

Tasing a guy like that who is all rant and no threat makes zero sense to me. If as reported a cop did get a punch to the chops from him, so what? Without a serious threat to an officer, tasing just doesn't seem at all appropriate. Deciding to remove him from the event is a little less absolute with me, but I still think it could've ended better without any police contact. But we'll never know. Also anyone who knows cops should know you need to cool down and cooperate at least physically or they will overreact. Is that right? Nah, but if you want to avoid a hassle it's the way to go.

[bridgit]

30. now there you go, jp, i thought 'asshats' had their own like you know...

separate little exit sequence complete with a whole different set of thugs & disturbance in attendance :shrug: oh wait...hence the taz'ing i hear you suggesting...ah, then it's all good :hi: i attended UCLA, and h was born & raised in LA so...that it is no longer acceptable to presume that one does not know, that it is not known of what may in either event befall them; especially perhaps in todays climate of a THX 1138 mindset so as to suggest to all with ears that may hear such things, or minds to collate...

strange days have found us

[DemocratSinceBirth]

28. Is This A Rhetorical Question?

I would say law enforcement, whose power is granted by and subject to the pleasure of the citizenry, can use non-lethal force to prevent imminent harm to themselves, the general population, or the subject, when less violent means of deterrence will not work...


Those circumstances seem to be narrow...

[bridgit]

32. there were ample notes regarding the escalation of applicable force...

and engagement...still, someone should have been able to de-escalate the moment at hand perhaps with a 'swarm' of some kind which i know they are want to do, it is their professional duty do to so imo = seek other means, seek other ways; there were some 4 cops there...my question was: why aren't cops taz'ing the 'inappropriate' at bush rallies? they only get traipsed off in t-shirts. who are these people that have done so? wouldn't it be grand to discover that these individuals have done so so as to suggest that dems, by their ill-formed notions of applicable force; are then sanctioning nazi-esque behaviors and are then unelectable...it is too curious to me

[Marr]

29. You're right- he should've been allowed to rant about muffins for another 2 hours, if

he chose to do so. Screw those other people. His freedom of speech means he has the right to hijack any event he likes, and obviously, anyone who disagrees is a fascist. The police should've given him a timeout or something.

When you choose to disrupt an event like that, you have to expect the police to step in. And when they do, you have two reasonable choices. You can either go with them calmly, or you can collapse and make them carry you out. If you choose to physically resist, you have to expect the police to respond. That guy did everything in his power to make the situation spiral down into the use of force.

[bridgit]

33. yeah, fuck that asshole...

:thumbsup:

[MatrixEscape]

31. You are currently living ...

In a military, industrialist, Police State. That means, that almost anything can be done to you as an individual if it can be justified or if the propaganda arm of that State can manage to spin it correctly and not get you to act suddenly and violently in response to the action.

The way this works is gradual and subtle. You should not be able to grasp the encroaching Fascism quickly, easily, or with any sort of critical thought that is based on common resources. It has to come so slowly and methodically that you barely notice it until ... Bam! Boom! You are suddenly there.

Sheesh! I thought this aspect of the tactics involved would be more obvious in light of what we have already clearly seen and experienced. It has to get more refined and subtle and to the point where, if you are not using every fiber of your multi-million-year-old, bio-computer, you simply lose! Isn't that obvious when it comes to the mind and what it has been used for over our entire history?

Use it or lose it. Have your kids use it or they lose it big-time. This is not a time to sit around and take the passivity pill of mindless entertainment, (which includes that form of control and entertainment we now call politics) it is about the visceral and immediate awakening of the natural elements that spell survival when it is clear that survival is certainly at stake.

The biggest mistake any one of us can make, all told, is to think that business as usual has anything much to do with our personal or collective survival as a species. That does not take much experience, spiritualism, or Net browsing, to ascertain if you have an awakened and functioning brain. It is worth the break and the risks that call us to act now before we are unable to do so.

Gee, at least we read about Paul Revere and his one about land, two about sea. We can add that we have, three about media, because that is where our invasion is happening. They mold reality and too many people follow that subjugation of our species without a second thought about how it will impact us, overall.

[bridgit]

34. most assuredly...

:patriot:

[ShortnFiery]

36. Excellent MatrixEscape!

You have truly put my sentiments into words. I've lived in totalitarian police states as a family member of a government contractor. I'm here to confirm that your words ring true. What a beautiful gift you have demonstrated above (persuasive writing) - IMO, you express yourself well. Best to you and yours. :hi:

[MatrixEscape]

45. I am so very moved by your response and I want to thank you!

My words, though they be long and in-depth, try to reflect as much as possible in relation to both what I have experienced, and learned in so many years. That may, or may not, have value to the bulk of Du'ers here, but it is all that I can offer and it can be considered opinion, informed nor not.

However, in one paragraph, you have moved me. That says a lot. I hope that your statement moves others, not because it supports my thesis, but because your response is basic and to the point, (something I may be unable to do) and tells the people in this World what they need to know from the voice of those who actually experience what is going on. The media does not convey that real story and you did.

You express yourself well in the quickest way and that is a good thing!

Thank you and may we hope, together, that what is really going on, personally, will trump was is supposedly going on in media in a persuasive way that clouds anything we might hope to hold as truth.

I truly appreciate the comment and hold it as a very high remark that the readers here should consider taking note of, above and beyond the obvious manipulations that take advantage of their inserted and acculturated ways of acting and thinking.

This is turning out to be more of a revolution of each individual mind than anything approaching what were those of the past. And that maeks perfect sense, considering that the oppent makes full use of sciences and studies that are based on supposing who and what we are, and how we will react.

Does that not tell us that our capacity to be aware of and adjust our reaction is the most important key and salvo in any pertinent response? Adaptation still rules in the rules of the game we are playing!

My best to you and yours, ShortnFiery. You are a salvo of inspiration and a real potential by way of your comprehension.

[WilliamPitt]

35. Probably the state legislature, and then the Federal legislature, per the crime bills.

Towns and counties also have their say...and the voters have their say, as well.

That's the republic for you.

I agree with you in spirit, but I'm answering you with the literal side of my brain. :) And that has merit, too. The people of those districts voted for the people who made tasers acceptable, and if they disagree with it, they'll vote them out next November.

[bridgit]

39. I Want My Face Back Ya'S.O.B.!!!

well...not Raven, but you *know* what i mean ;) and to the republic for which it stands :patriot: fucking tazers anyway, accept of couse when CNN's Rick Sanchez gets tazer'd...cause that's slap stick

[WilliamPitt]

42. Nope.

And that reminds me...did people accuse her of being me at one point while I was away? She mentioned something about it, and the premise was that her internet speed was way faster than the old-ass dialup I'd complained about last year, so it must have been me posting as her.

She has a house now, for the record, with satellite internet that's not terribly fast, but is warp-speed compared to the dialup. Been there for about a year. So that wasn't me. They'll be knocking icicles off the gutters in Hades before she lets me post on DU under her name.

Glad that's clear now. :)

Oh yeah, and I've got your face.

:P

[bridgit]

46. fine, life *is* truly like Burger King, Pope Willy, you *can* therefore have it your way...

don't know much about the rest, everyone knows that, weeeee! just glad things working their way out and oh by the by...i ain't going to the dial-up; i'll storm the bodega' all over my neighborhood in a hot pink tu-tu all around town for lottery tickets & scratch-offs before that happens, though for whatever it's worth

i still like'ya...somehow, even if you don't care for me; just take out maybe, oh, 15% of the verbiage and you'll do just fine :hi:

and i know my darling...we all suffer from The Amadeus Complex!! all of our matters & affairs are already balanced just so, there are no words, or notes that can be removed without it the entire structure must then fall :cry:

love you :loveya:

seriously however, there are no accusations that are of any pith whatsoever, m'dear...imo, i take it you posted that graveyard pic from up in that locale yea? and yes that's 'yea'. peace to the world if i have my druthers...peace dad gummit!!

[MatrixEscape]

49. Having a mind and living in it ...

Is about ALL the verbiage that goes with that state beyond hunter gatherer. We may not like it it or love it, but that is the name ov the very game we are playing today and it matters much. Sorry! Wish it was a very natural, deep, mushroom and herb-enhanced dance with nature. But as you can see, the Dominators have assured us that this will not be the order of the day until we find ourselves again as we truly are, as a people.

We all love ya' bridgit, in any way you want us to and can accept. Get with that program and feel the connections of the vibe. You are truly wonderful as you are, no mistake about it. Can we all be that wonderful and amazing in our realization and overt acceptance? Maybe in a new age?

I have not hope or faith at all! I do not exist in my philosophy. Yet, look at the possibilities that imagination and ideas present in this game of existence at large! For me, this is not happening. And it is clear that there is NOWHERE to go from here at all, in any way. And yet, there seems to be a presence, and and a pattern, and a process, and this awareness notes its progress.

[bridgit]

52. gracias, MatrixEscape, and thank you so...but these...

"I have not hope or faith at all! I do not exist in my philosophy. Yet, look at the possibilities that imagination and ideas present in this game of existence at large! For me, this is not happening. And it is clear that there is NOWHERE to go from here at all, in any way. And yet, there seems to be a presence, and and a pattern, and a process, and this awareness notes its progress."

are to me pretty words

[MatrixEscape]

58. And your response clearly reflects ....

Your real beauty. You see without eyes, and hear without ears. This is THE seeing and hearing. Pretty is what it is without filters and compromises.

Some may show you words and pictures, but your bio-computer has a capacity to sort that out in a way that is most natural, perhaps?

I don't think I have ever heard anyone respond to that particular aspect of my philosophy in way that was so supporting and accepting, really.

Your "pretty words" speaks volumes when most responses, both online and off-line, are askance, askew, and intimations that suggest and oddball with an attitude as opposed to a proclamation of the result of fifty years of sincerely seeking nothing less than the truth.

Will the truth turn out to be what it is, whether we like it or not in the end, or a form of clay that we push and shove and mold into what we merely want it to be? I tend to suggest that holding out for truth, no matter what, is the best way to really seek and find it.

Love ya' totally bridgit!

[WilliamPitt]

50. I like you lots and loads, dammit.

:)

The extensive verbiage isn't going to stop, tho. This is where I do a bunch of my writing practice. Sorry 'bout that. :)

I believe you are referring to this pic:



Got some others, too:









:)

:hug:

Love you back.

[bridgit]

51. eh, then i don't have to tell you: soldier on, Willy, even if that's only part of why we love you...

and yeah that's the pic ;) so wonderful you recalled :hug:

[idgiehkt]

37. powerboy, with all the trappings of might

sitting tight
on your motorbike
so you can chase us all down when the time is right
another white knight

you got a look on your face like you're on top of the world
ain't much room in your world for girls
you're a man, the ultimate man
taze your way out when you get in a jam

:shrug:


that's Powerboy by Tribe8 btw

[bridgit]

40. weeee, ride my see-saw...

:hi:

[BushOut06]

38. Haven't you heard? Torture is acceptable in this country!

It's perfectly acceptable for police to torture civilians. :sarcasm:

[bridgit]

41. wee goody!! god bless ameruika...

[Truthiness Inspector]

44. Why are you fixated on tasers?

Use of force is standard operating procedure on all police departments.

"Force" being the operative word. Force is necessary to subdue combative individuals, and if you think otherwise, you are being unrealistic.

The taser is just another tool and a good one.

Put yourself on the other side of this equation.

As far as authority, it's dependent on department policy. The five or six officers subduing the nutball at Senator Kerry's speech, without tasers, would have been justified in hammering him with PR-24s/nunchucks/other similar weapons which may have resulted in broken bones or worse. Chemical agents in close quarters like that would have affected the other officers.

[bridgit]

47. no it isn't...

there are levels of escalation/engagment...and de-escalation

[Truthiness Inspector]

48. Use of force is in the general orders of all depts

what was your point?

[bridgit]

54. oh sure, that's why they carry: guns, cuffs, 'night sticks', mace...and tasers...

along with an arsenal of weapons & ordnance lethal & (supposedly) non-lethal...but that is a heavy burden to bear, not everyone; simply by wearing a badge is therefore able to dispense these notions of justice that are implied within these various instruments & implements...imo

http://www.lapdonline.org/lapd_command_staff/comm_bio_view/35073

as i'd mentioned up thread, my having attended UCLA, and my husband having been born & raised in LA, we've seen police actions for quite some time, decades, that were no-less than suspect, there is clearly a point, however, beyond which simple dispensation of police protocol is viewed by even the reasonable as gratuitous, extreme

let's just say that this person at the Kerry event had it coming for being a jackass, and call it a day

[Truthiness Inspector]

57. No

Are you called upon to break up fights, stop armed robberies in progess, and deal with the most violent citizens society has to offer?

LOL.

We can't call it a day because you are talking out of your ass. Nobody calls YOU when the shit goes down, all over town, to address everyone's problems day in day out.

Let's just say you underestimate the job cops do, and overestimate how you would deal with these situations.

[bridgit]

59. Ha! what a rube!! my husband was a CHP, that died in the line of duty, after a 'simple'...

traffic stop when the perp popped up with a pop gun instead, he hung on but died within a week...let's just say that you may not fully understand not only the nature, but the parameters within which police services are envisioned, and then dispensed

please do not lecture me as to my understanding, or lack thereof, as to what transpires within, or beneath the umbrella of: police action

it is you my odd friend, that may not have been handed the standards of a taken down loved one with uniformed officers & bagpipes filling the air between the rows of cruisers & motor bikes on a most cloudy day...

think before you key if you would please thank you in advance

[Truthiness Inspector]

60. Your husband has all my respect

I've been to the Memorial in DC for peace officers.

I am a former and soon to be current again peace officer, so please don't assume that you know more. You have never been one. Your husband was one, YOU were not.

God bless your late hubby, you are making it hard to argue with you, but I gotta call you on it. You were not the one out there, he was, and he gave his life. As his wife, I have respect for you, so let's not fight but we need to be realistic.

[bridgit]

65. i find your relationship to law enforcement to be an odd one in the least...

all these comments as to how others are not & cannot be privy to this or that, and that, therefore ostensible...*you*, are the ultimate arbiter of all things that pass before your eyes with a host of lethal/non-lethal means dangling off your utility belt and a badge on your shirt

that's strange, and you may have already surpassed imo your function as a police officer to presume just where it is i have been or have not, but i do agree here...

"As (a widowed) wife, I have respect for you, so let's not fight but we need to be realistic."

[PDenton]

63. cops can get a bad rap on the Left

they have a very difficult, very dangerous job. Sometimes people forget that.

I don't blame the police so much as the university in this case. Clearly the university is fostering an atmosphere that doesn't favor tough questioning and debate, something that should be part of the college experience but increasingly is not.

[PDenton]

53. police are allowed to cause pain

to induce compliance in suspects. In the past that included pepper spray, batons to the large muscle groups, or even in severe cases, choking somebody out. After alot of lawsuits, they are looking into tazers because they believe they might be safer than choking somebody out.

In fairness to the police, imagine if this guy had been some "nutjob" hellbent on killing Kerry. I think that's what they were afraid of, that he was going to try and harm Kerry or other participants. That's why it is important when you are having a discourse like that to keep your passions in check as much as possible, no matter how you feel.

[bridgit]

55. oh yes, this is a serious world & getting more serious by the day...

there's no way around that :(

[ConsAreLiars]

56. Sadists and fascists always use pain to induce compliance.

They will be happy for your approval. Gestapo tactics always get applause from the sheep for using brutality against those they have been trained to fear. "Pain compliance" is just torture under another name. Mass "disappearing" is the next step in the path you endorse.

[PDenton]

61. over the top

Yes, the arrest was probably unwarranted and unlawful, but the mere use of force by a police officer is not unethical or illegal. We pay police to use force to represent the state, it's just their job.

I think U of F is more to blame than anybody because a university should be about asking tough questions. Most of Andrew Meyer's questions were appropriate (though I felt the Skulls and Bones question was perhaps pushing it).

[treestar]

64. What did the cops do before the tazer was invented?

I assume most would not have shot the guy with a gun.

It probably does have the effect of getting the cop to use force too quickly, since it is lesser force, and generally not deadly (yes, I know it CAN be deadly, but it's not a gun).

Would they have wrestled this guy to the ground? Dragged him out with bodily force?

[IndianaJones]

66. Paul Heymans. nt.