"Taser Kid" told them: 'You didn't do anything wrong' -

[2rth2pwr]

GAINESVILLE - Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, "You didn't do anything wrong."...
http://www.starbanner.com/article/20070918/NEWS/70918007/1053/BREAKING_NEWS
..."As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.

Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said said he told them during the ride: "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job," according to Mallo's account.

Mallo also wrote in her report that he asked, at one point, if cameras would be present at the jail.
Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Meyer just before UF Police Tasered him and took him into custody, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone."

This guy is a piece of work.

[calmblueocean]

1. Oh, come on.

The whole point of tasing someone is to make them more "compliant". Let the cops tase you a few times, and see if you don't start feeling a whole lot "friendlier" to them. I know what I saw on the video, and it was totally unnecessary.

[cui bono]

3. Seriously. 6 cops on one guy and they can't get cuffs on him?

Please.

[cboy4]

7. Yes. Those cops better spend a little more time in the weight

room if they had to struggle cuffing an unarmed subject who was already on the ground.

It was an embarrassing display of the lack of even the most basic arrest control hold techniques.

Imagine if the guy had been the least bit violent. They probably would have peed their pants and then gunned him down.

[Cha]

50. That was my thought..

the cops need to buff up and not rely on tasers so readily.

[Richard Steele]

13. Self delete. I apologize for starting a discussion I have no desire to be a part of. My bad. nm

[cboy4]

18. Sorry Dick, I don't buy that six cops couldn't cuff this subject...

especially if he wasn't under the influence or wasn't a big muscular guy.

I'm familiar with situations like this first hand as well, and there are a few control holds that can be utilized to gain pain compliance...not the least of which is a twist lock.

[2rth2pwr]

19. So you think it was a setup? They didn't like the questions

so they gathered together and agreed that he should be tasered, but "first let's act like we can't cuff him." ?

They must be Kerry's Skull and Bones security team.

[cboy4]

20. Sorry. I know you're being sarcstic about something, but

I really don't know what your point to me is.

[2rth2pwr]

26. " I don't buy that six cops couldn't cuff this subject"...-cboy4. nt

[Richard Steele]

21. Self-delete; this was a TEMPORARY post for Cboy's viewing. Please see my deleted post above. nm

[Rosemary2205]

4. It was totally unnecessary alright.

I will never understand why someone's right to deliberately disrupt is more valuable than 100 plus other someone else's right to peaceful assembly.

[girl gone mad]

9. I agree..

The cops shouldn't have caused such a disruption!

[Blue_In_AK]

15. Thank you.

Best response I've read all day.

[JDPriestly]

17. One reason why: the First Amendment.

Each person has the same right as that guy to speak their piece. Most people have nothing to say, so there is no problem. I cannot understand that people on DU are so ignorant about how the First Amendment works. You cannot be arrested simply for being a little loud and speaking too long and making a few gestures that don't hurt anyone. The police lost it. It is not a crime to disrupt a peaceful assembly unless you get violent to persons or property. Code Pink disrupts Congressional hearings, etc. all the time. And we all agree that they have the right to do it. As long as it doesn't stop the proceedings, I think they should be allowed to stay at the hearings.

[cali]

41. He had no right to infringe on the rights of others to speak

He cut in front of others waiting to speak and grabbed an open mike.
Fuck him.

[JDPriestly]

43. He should have been placed on probation, not arrested and tasered.

[cali]

44. No. He should have been arrested for Disorderly Conduct

and removed, though not tasered.

[JDPriestly]

46. Also a possibility.

[Whisp]

47. for cutting in line

if this Andrew guy got, say, 4 shots of tase for cutting in line And grabbing a mic.
how many do you think I should get for cutting in front of others in a lineup to see a movie? 2? 1?

what if I cut in front of John Kerry in the line up? how many? 6, 12?

dangerous precedents are being set here. no excuse ever for something like this to happen and it's quite unsettling to hear so many people think it's okay and even humorous.

Don't you wonder about the fact that the 'rules of law' are becoming harsher and harsher for us peons and laxer and laxer for the top crime bosses?

spelling edit.

[cui bono]

35. That does NOT justify the taser. They could have cuffed him without

using excessive force.

Why is that so hard to grasp?

Your argument is a straw man argument. Allowing him to disrupt isn't the issue, excessive force while removing him from the lecture hall is the issue.

[JDPriestly]

11. The cops are in more trouble than he is. They have good

reason to lie about what he said when he was conveniently out of reach of the cameras. Besides, it's irrelevant. They had no probable cause to arrest him. That's all there is to this. He is a confused kid. He likes attention. He made a scene. Had he not been arrested and tased, the whole matter would not have even made the student newspaper. The other students would have let him know in their way that they didn't appreciate his behavior, and nature would have taken care of it. The evil is in the police officers' over-reaction. In my view, it was the officers who ruined and distracted from the event, not this crazy guy.

[cui bono]

2. And cops never falsify police reports.

Especially when in need of covering their asses.

[2rth2pwr]

16. This is great, accusing the police officers of falsifing

the reports. Do you think all of them even get along with each other much less trust each other enough to do this?

[cui bono]

36. Are you telling me you think every police report ever turned in is true and accurate?

Come on, seriously. That's incredibly naive.

[2rth2pwr]

40. You make some unusual leaps of logic

--There have been cases where police have falsified reports, therefore this report is falsified.

--I think that it is wrong for you to accuse the officers of a crime without any proof, therefore I am saying that police have never done wrong.


How about this- Your arguments are worthless, therefore I will move on.

[cui bono]

49. You are falsifying my claims.

Where did I say these cops actually did falsify the report. I merely don't believe things as naively as you are doing.

[brentspeak]

53. Do you proof that the police falsified the report?

[liberalmuse]

5. I don't care, really.

The tasering of the student was wrong. It was a fucking disgraceful act of unneccessary violence that follows a long line of disgraceful acts of unnecessary violence. I'm sick of people tossing out meaningless strawmen ("he was annoying" "he was loud" "he was a disruptor" "he has a website"). Nothing that kid did at the Kerry event warranted this type of police overreaction. It's really disturbing to see some liberals spouting the same authoritarian bullshit meme as those at Fox News and The Free Republic. I mean, WOW! Some people wouldn't know what facism was if it zapped them repeatedly in the ass.

[2rth2pwr]

10. When police officers instruct someone to leave a facility

and the suspect starts wrestling, screaming and acting unpredictably they should not be expected to handle it mano a mano. There have been physical techniques that subdue people quickly but have been outlawed by the same people complaining about tasers. The choke hold was done away with, after Rodney King many police officers would rather tase than be seen on camera swinging their baton.

Many police officers have lost their lives in the line of duty- look at some of these police shows of traffic stops where suspects pull a gun and fire in a split second.

When you resist you are placing them in a very high risk situation, so first rule don't resist.

[brentspeak]

54. You mean "fascism"?

In any case, if the kid didn't want to be tasered, why did he continue to resist arrest, even after he was repeatedly warned?

[girl gone mad]

6. Let me see if I've got this correct.

Taser boy has no credibility with you and other anti-taser-boy Duers because he was merely seeking publicity. He stridently asked questions which you are certain he intended to be rhetorical after the allotted q and a time was up, then had a little tantrum when his microphone was cut off.

Cops jumped on, pinned down and then tased the guy while he was subdued because they thought annoying taser boy was trying to incite a riot. Discredited taser boy says that those cops were just doing their job and you agree with him.

Does that about sum it up?

[2rth2pwr]

12. your screen name is apt

I haven't said anything about "rhetorical questions", the cops didn't jump on him- they were attempting to lead him out of the room, when he decided to resist and try to stay -they fell. As they tried to subdue him and place cuffs on him he was yelling 'Get The Fuck Off Me!" and pulling his arms away, only one cuff was on when he was tasered.

Are you suggesting that because he didn't want to be led away, they should have backed off and called in a negotiator?

[girl gone mad]

22. I'm just trying to figure out the purpose of this thread.

Does taser kid have credibility or not?

[2rth2pwr]

28. credibility with who?

I think he's a loon. His implication that because Kerry was Skull and Bones he was in on some scam to reelect B*sh is a crock.

I'm surprised he didn't accuse Kerry of being Head Lizard of a secret society 3 miles underground.

[cui bono]

37. So what if he DID accuse Kerry of being Head Lizard of a secret society

3 miles underground?

How would that justify the use of a taser?

[2rth2pwr]

38. David Icke has never been tased.

David Icke

According to David Icke reptilian humanoids are the force behind a worldwide conspiracy directed at manipulation and control of humanity. He contends that most of the world's leaders, from William Jefferson Clinton, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Barack Obama and George W. Bush to members of the British royal family, are in fact related to the 7-foot (2.1 m) tall, blood-drinking reptilians from the star system Alpha Draconis.

According to an interview with David Icke, Christine Fitzgerald, a confidante of the late Diana, Princess of Wales, claims that Diana told her that the Royal Family were reptilian aliens, and that they could shapeshift.<15> David Icke and others have claimed that U.S. President George W. Bush and his family are part of this same bloodline (Icke, 2004).http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reptilian_humanoid

Icke claims, based on his exploration of genealogical connections to European royalty, that many presidents of the United States have been and are reptilian humanoids. In his view, United States foreign policy after September 11 is the product of a reptilian conspiracy to enslave humanity, with George W. Bush as a servant of the reptilians.

He also theorizes that the reptilians came to Earth from the constellation Draco. One type of reptilian entity that people see during alleged encounters resembles reptoids similar to those that are addressed in the studies of John Rhodes and the Reptoids Research Center(s).

[cui bono]

48. You're straying from the point....

but I suspect that may be on purpose.

Now would you like to tell me what difference it would make if the kid was asking about all this? You actually think that would justify him being tased?

[2rth2pwr]

51. I think he could have been standing there silent and he still

would have been run in to trouble if he refused to move away from the mic.

He was not tasered for what he said, he was tasered for resisting arrest.

[cui bono]

52. Yeah, and the use of the taser was not warranted. It was excessive force.

Check out what Jonathan Turley has to say on the subject:

http://jonathanturley.org/2007/09/19/meyer-case-raises-significant-questions-of-campus-speech-and-student-responsibilities/

[2rth2pwr]

55. Great, but let's get past the assertion that he was tased (tazed?)

for bringing up some sort of forbidden topic.

[cui bono]

56. So you agree. Good.

[2rth2pwr]

57. I don't agree that it was excessive. nt

[cui bono]

58. Then I don't understand why you chose your user name.

What does it mean to you?

[Truthiness Inspector]

8. I'm not surprised

This guy was out to make a "statement" and get publicity as a "victim."

He failed. He is a run of the mill sack of shit trying to make cops look bad. Remember, the officer who wrote this report had to undergo a full background investigation to even get hired. The turdball only had to show up and start shit.

The officers involved will (should) be vindicated.

[Name removed]

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[snot]

14. So, has JK ever answered the questions? 'Cause

I'd like to know the answers.

Also, did taser boy break a law -- besides resisting an unlawful arrest?

I'm not trying to be argumentative; I'd really like to know.

[peacetheonlyway]

25. I want Kerry to answer the questions too

the only crime Meyer committed was holding an a**hole that sucked $40M out of the democrats pockets and who CHOSE NOT TO PERSONALLY BIND to the only lawsuit with real evidence of fraud in Ohio, to hold that a**hole (kerry) accountable.

not really a crime that carries a punishment except for us americans NOT HOLDING the criminals in the state's capitol accountable.

my only wish was that he did not have to suffer for holding his politicians for which his taxpaying dollars pays their bills, accountable to doing their frigging jobs.

[baby_mouse]

24. Oh, cool! Can I tase him too, then? NT

[Eric J in MN]

27. So what?

He didn't want his situation to go from bad to worse. He was trying to be nice.

[2rth2pwr]

29. Yeah, you can tell he has a real need to

please people.

[oscarmitre]

30. Kid thinks all cops are Republicans

His comments were probably made in exactly the manner they were reported. Why do I say that? Because the kid's comments neither help nor hinder the cops. They have bugger-all to do with the incident. If the cops used excessive force on him then the facts will speak for themselves and his "you were only doing your job" doesn't mean much. It would certainly not be enough to get the cops off the hook if they were in strife.

So it seems to me that he was there to cause a disruption and to get arrested. He got his wish. He's telling the cops, "look, no hard feelings, you blokes were just handy props".

If they used excessive force then they should be dealt with according to law and any employment conditions.

[Apollo11]

31. Historical perspective

Annie Kenney, together with Christabel Pankhurst, has somewhat of a run-in with Mr Winston Churchill on 13th October 1905 in the Free Trade Hall in Manchester when she posed the question to Churchill and Sir Edward Grey, "If you are elected will you do your best to make women's suffrage a Government measure?".

http://www.iknow-northwest.co.uk/tourist_information/manchester/oldham/saddleworth.htm


Campaign for Women's suffrage continues

On 14 October, two young women decided to go to prison rather than pay a fine for causing a disturbance. Christabel Pankhurst and Annie Kenney were the first to be jailed for demanding the right to vote.

Uproar broke out at Manchester Free Trade Hall, England, when the women demanded to know if a Liberal government would give women the vote. Their protest came at the end of an election address by leading Liberal politician Sir Edward Grey, when Pankhurst and Kenney stood up and unfurled their banner, saying "Votes for Women". Their behaviour provoked an angry reaction from the crowd, who threw the two into the street, where they were arrested by police.

In 1903, Christabel Pankhurst had founded the Women's Political and Social Union with her mother Emmeline Pankhurst, the pioneer of women's suffrage. The arrest marked a new militancy in what would have been a peaceful political campaign.

http://library.thinkquest.org/27629/chronicle/1905.html


Christabel Pankhurst
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Christabel Pankhurst (September 22, 1880 – February 13, 1958) was a suffragette born in Manchester, England.

Along with her mother Emmeline and others, Christabel co-founded the Women's Social and Political Union (WSPU) in 1903. In 1905, Christabel Pankhurst interrupted a Liberal Party meeting by shouting demands for voting rights for women. She was arrested and along with fellow suffragette Annie Kenney went to prison rather than pay a fine as punishment for their outburst. Their case gained much media interest and the ranks of the WSPU swelled following their trial. Emmeline began to take more militant action for the suffragette cause after her daughter's arrest and was herself imprisoned on many occasions for her principles.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christabel_Pankhurst

[cgrindley]

32. Good luck justifying police brutality there, Beria (nt)

[2rth2pwr]

33. Funny, accusing somebody (me?) of being like

Lavrentiy Beria, Stalins' minion responsible for the arrest, torure and murder of untold thousands.

Kind of like Meyer's attempt to imply some evil doing to Kerry because of his Skull and Bones ties.

But not funny- ha ha, the other funny.

[cgrindley]

34. Well, it's hyperbole, isn't it?

skull and bones is pretty fucked up, and yelling insane bullshit about it isn't really grounds to tase someone

[smiley_glad_hands]

39. This guy has a dubious agenda.

I'm not quite sure what it is, but I'm reserving judgment.

[iamthebandfanman]

42. welp, hope she was recording it

cause if not, just his word against hers on that one.
good ole reasonable doubt if theres no proof :P

[IndianaJones]

45. I certainly always believe everything the police tell me. nt.