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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:20 AM
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If Bush attacks Iran, we might just have a revolution on our hands.
I don't think this will happen from the Left, either. I think Bush is counting on "his" military to back him up if he decides NOT to vacate the office of President, and if he "does" Iran and turns the entire WORLD against us he thinks they will be loyal to the country and therefore loyal to him.

I think he is making a huge mistake.

The military is tapped out. We didn't have the juice to pull off the Iraq conflict and we neglected Afghanistan until the the Taliban is ready to become the new Mujahadin.

In plain language, the resources, which were sketchy to begin with (if you exclude dropping the "big one") are now largely depleted, and since Bush has engaged so many forces on the ground in Iraq, if the New Tea Party happens, he's got nothing on hand to back up his regime.

This should surprise no one who is really paying attention. So many of the other symptoms are present:

The search for "Mystic Salvation" ("deus ex machina") is going NUTS to the point of trying to make the military an arm of their cause,
The attempts to "circle the wagons" in the party with their stalking horses like Patraeus set out to take the heat,
The Party Faithful are not budging on the issues to buy time for the "boss" to get his house in order for "B" Day,
And the Opposition are so impotent to stop any of it that the Republicans might as well still be in the majority.

The PROBLEM is the same one that the FAR Left has been bucking for YEARS: ALL of those GUNS out there. Now I don't think that there will be a coup because I don't think the military will support one, but if Bush is crazy enough to try it and there are enough of those "Evangelist" Troops at the time, there could be a very serious insurgency here.

The problem is that it doesn't have to roll down in any similar scenario to throw the country into complete chaos: as Abbie Hoffman said once of New York City (to paraphrase): shut off the water, the power and stop the food trucks coming in, and in a day or two just watch the fun.

I don't want ANY of this to happen, but I don't see how I can stop it.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:22 AM
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1. Attacking Iran won't be done by the Army or ,Marines..
The Air Force and Navy are still in very good shape, they will be the ones attacking Iran.

The AF in particular is very neocon Christian..
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:24 AM
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2. You Can Bookmark This Post
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 07:25 AM by DemocratSinceBirth
Bush* will leave office having never attacking Iran...He will leave that problem to his successor, just as he will leave the problem of exiting from Iraq to his successor...
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:27 AM
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4. Bush and Cheney both are quite irrational..
I wouldn't make any bets on what they will and will not do.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:27 AM
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5. I hope you're right...
But now even CENTCOM Adm. Fallon is out there beating the drum.

I think we've got less than a year.
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DemocratSinceBirth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:29 AM
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7. Don't Worry ,Amigo
I have a good track record...

I saw Gulf War Two a mile way...
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:37 AM
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9. Who the hell didn't ? n/t
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:37 AM
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10. So did I....
But I was on a Broken Arrow Team at the time.
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hang a left Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:28 AM
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6. I think that you are right.
There would be world wide economic destruction. That IS NOT was this administration is about.
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:38 AM
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11. Super Rich People make money no matter what is happening.
They walk to the bank and to church over streets paved with the crushed bones of the poor and middle class.

What do they care from Depression?
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Tyler Durden Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:26 AM
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3. Bush needs the ARMY on the ground HERE to support any thing he wants to pull.
Doesn't matter WHO hits Iran, The Navy and Air Force can only drop munitions if they try to control our country at Bush's order.

That will not go over well with the NRA.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:32 AM
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8. Pre-Emptive Strike To Provoke An Iraq Invasion
Cheney wants to bottle up as much Iraqi and Iranian Oil as he can. The only Iraq oil that will flow will be from Kurdistan while the rest stays in the ground and keeps the prices high. Iran's a problem since they want to sell oil using Euros and undercut the big oil boys...just like Saddam threatened to do that really led to the '91 and '03 invasions. Now that Iraqi oil has been neutralized, the next step is to take out Iran and that's what I think the root of all the sabre rattling is about.

Previously I didn't believe this regime had the stones to launch a strike against Iran, but now I see it as a "hail Mary" this regime will use to "show us" whose in charge. Also if it feels its losing a grip on events. Turmoil with Iran forces the military to remain engaged in Iraq for years to come which ensures both the big contractor dollars and keeps those big ticket military goods rolling from the "Military-Industrial" complex.

Since many of the main Iranian oil installations are located within close distance to the Iraqi border, taking them out and keeping them out won't be difficult. Yep, the AF boys have targets galore. It's the same tactic Hussein used in the 80's. Remember, we sided with him just to ensure the Iranian oil industry was kept on its heels.

A "pre-emptive" strike is sure to lead to an Iranian attack on US forces inside Iraq...and then the mess will get even worse. This is like the Cambodian escalation...except the escalation will come to our forces, not the other way around.
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