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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:37 AM
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Sweet Jeebers, we're running Iraqi reeducation camps..
What in the FUCK??? :wow:


The U.S. military has introduced "religious enlightenment" and other education programs for Iraqi detainees, some of whom are as young as 11, Marine Maj. Gen. Douglas M. Stone, the commander of U.S. detention facilities in Iraq, said yesterday.

Stone said such efforts, aimed mainly at Iraqis who have been held for more than a year, are intended to "bend them back to our will" and are part of waging war in what he called "the battlefield of the mind." Most of the younger detainees are held in a facility that the military calls the "House of Wisdom."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/09/18/AR2007091802203.html
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:38 AM
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1. Learned from the Saudis, I tell you.
The Saudis brag about how it works for them.
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hobbit709 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:39 AM
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3. Was that before or after 9/11?
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Kagemusha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:56 AM
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7. I only heard of it personally after 9/11.
Hey, the Saudis actually have a religious mandate to do this. So even if I'm no fan of the Saudis, I can understand, it is their religion.

Now, for Americans to get into the act, well, that's just creepy, speaking as an atheist/ former Catholic.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:32 PM
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13. "Re-education Camps"
I believe it was the Chinese that made this an art form in the '50s.
Back then, it was called "Brainwashing".

"The House of Wisdom"...:scared:
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:45 PM
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19. And it goes on today..
they are called "Laogais". The Stalinist Russians also were quite fond of them.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:38 AM
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2. Probably better than getting tortured?
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 08:41 AM by The Stranger
I am assuming they are voluntary? No, wait, these are "detainees," and if they are "irreconcilables," they are "put away" in "permanent detention facilities."

Like political prisoners.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:22 AM
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11. I bet they are tortured, too
To "soften them up" to receive "the true message of god"

:argh:
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:35 PM
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14. bending someone to YOUR will
IS torture.
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The Stranger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 01:51 PM
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23. You make an excellent point.
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Lars39 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:41 AM
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4. irreconcilables
good grief
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:41 AM
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5. Oh, that ought to work well.
Stone described a sort of religious insurgency that occurred at one detention facility on Sept. 2. "We had a compound of moderates for the first time overtake . . . extremists. It's never happened before. Found them, identified them, threw them up against the fence and shaved their frickin' beards off of them. . . . I mean, that is historic."


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TechBear_Seattle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:43 AM
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6. You sound surprised
"Re-education camps" are a standard tool used by tyrants and dictators. That these are "religious enlightenment" only proves the statement that the US is on a crusade (choice of word deliberate.)
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:00 PM
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12. Agreed, this should come as no surprise...
...and don't forget, while we are approaching "killing fields" numbers of deal Iraqi civilians, that Pol Pot also had a penchant for "re-education"...
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:56 AM
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8. Every day I'm surprised that my country is doing even more disgusting things in my name.
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Ezlivin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:10 AM
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9. Here's my candidate to "teach" in these camps:


Ted Haggard. Who better than him to lead others in getting reeducated?

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nashville_brook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:51 AM
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10. "threw them up against the fence and shaved their frickin' beards off"
from the article:

"...threw them up against the fence and shaved their frickin' beards off of them. . . . I mean, that is historic."
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:36 PM
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15. "How we doing. Any converts today?"
Not a one Nay Nay Nay
We’ve flattened their fingers
We’ve branded their buns
Nothing is working
SEND IN THE NUNS

The Inquisition (What a show)
The Inquisition (Here we go)
We know you’re wishing that we’d go away
So come on all you heathens and you Jews
We got some good news for all of yous
You’d better change your point of views today
Cause the inquisitions here and it’s here to say.

http://imgred.com/
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:37 PM
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16. recruiting or converting them for Christianity perhaps
yup, it's a crusade alright.
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Cheap_Trick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:43 PM
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17. House of Wisdom?
sounds like Room 101 to me. religious enlightenment is an oxymoron. i hope the detainees escape and burn that shit hole to the ground.
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libodem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:44 PM
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18. It only seems logical
After you kick in the door, tear up the house, terrorize the mother and children, you drag off the father and older son. You NEED a concentration camp to learn 'em some manners. Then you have them join the Police or Army, to die for their new beliefs. Get it?
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DrunkenMaster Donating Member (582 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:45 PM
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20. House of Wisdom = Ministry of Love
Is it fascism yet?
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Jeffersons Ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:50 PM
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21. While there is nothing to laugh about when it comes to matters like this...
I've come to enjoy camping...

Since identity theft struck me hard, I'm a veteran without the means to afford a roof over my head, so I live in the National Forest, much of the time.
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Virginia Dare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:57 PM
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22. WELCOME BACK!!!!
as Barb Bush would say..at least you had someplace to go..hope you stay a while!



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