So The Cops Never Actually Tased That Asshole? He Was Acting The Entire Time

[KittyWampus]

You can plainly see the cops have a hold on the guy. IF they tased him, they'd have gotten the same massive jolt.

Tasing is done at a distance. So the person discharging the weapon (yes, it's a weapon) doesn't get hit as well.

IF they actually tased him, he wouldn't have been saying "ow, ow, ow" while it happened.

It was all pretense by someone who's sole intent was agitating for attention. Someone who used the event with Kerry and the subject of election fraud purely as a pretext.

Some DU'ers pointed out the guy was acting manic. Now we know it wasn't mania. It was someone acting the entire time.

Tasing is done at a distance. So the person discharging the weapon (yes, it's a weapon) doesn't get hit as well.

Edit- at this point, I hope at least some DU'ers will realise they've been duped.

The overuse of Tasers is a serious subject, but this case is not the one to use to prove that point.

[Bluebear]

1. So the University President is all wet for having suspended the cops?

Pending an investigation?

"Now we know it wasn't mania. It was someone acting the entire time." - case closed eh?

http://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/09/19/news/uf_administration/machen.txt

[KittyWampus]

5. Facts speak for themselves. Something many on DU didn't bother to seek out on this subject

And the President is being responsible.

[Bluebear]

Your OP is contrary to every published description of the event.

[KittyWampus]

24. Actually, I'm finding out some good info. Apparently there are dual modes. Almost

certainly, ,the guy was tased (yes, I was wrong in OP) using 'Contact Mode'.

Which is different in kind than what others have called 'full-on'.

so how strong a charge was it?

Do you know?

Do you care?

All your posts would indicate you don't even think that's relevant, I'm pretty sure.

[Bluebear]

28. You've called the guy an asshole & now you're sure about what I think

so why go on? :)

[KittyWampus]

33. I was wrong in the OP but am now learning a lot about tasers.

[Bluebear]

36. Serious quesrtion: Do other countries use tasers? Canada, for example?

I would love to know that.

[TX-RAT]

42. I don't know.

Wouldn't surprise me if they did. Tasers are a great tool for law enforcement, but must be used properly and only when absolutely necessary. Before i retired all we used were batons and mace.

[Bluebear]

44. I asked on another thread, what about this campus police force?

Everyone mentions "the cops", what level of LEO's were these folks? Did they receive proper training in the use of the weapon?

[TX-RAT]

47. Not sure about that campus.

But the one we have here at our local college have to be state certified peace officers.

[Bluebear]

48. Thanks! cheers

[KurtNYC]

38. It may be advisable to research BEFORE making strong blanket statements

about DUers being "duped"

Just a thought.

A study on use and safety in the field (inclduing input from those who Insure police departments against lawsuits):
http://www.policeone.com/police-products/less-lethal/taser/articles/120718/

[KittyWampus]

40. Good point. But I don't mind admitting or being wrong.

[Enrique]

2. someone said you could hear the taser

[TX-RAT]

3. You are mistaken.

Most tasers have a dual operation. You can either fire it from a distance or hold it against the body with out discharging the darts. the one used in the student tasing was pressed against him.

[KittyWampus]

8. So you are saying IF they tased him, it wasn't full strength?

[TX-RAT]

21. Not at all

The voltage is the same. When pressed against the body the voltage passe's between the 2 fixed pressure points, about an inch and a quarter apart. When the darts are fired it may have a span of as much as 2 feet.

[KittyWampus]

26. So it's the exact same physical effect on victim as if fired from a difference?

Same voltage?

Same incapacitation?

Same pain?

[TX-RAT]

37. Not really.

Same voltage = yes

Same incapacitation = no

Same pain = no

You actually get a better more effective response from the fired darts. Not only do you make better contact, due to pierce skin, but you also distribute the charge over a wider area. A contact tasing ( pressure ) is probably the least effective. Due to clothing, you may not make as good a contact, plus it affects a smaller area.

[SoFlaJet]

4. are you sure?

tasers can be used up close

[fasttense]

6. Does a taser really give a big enough jolt to travel through

several people? How do you know? Do you have a link?

Still, the guy shouldn't have been dragged out just for being annoying.

[Kazak]

7. Bullshit...bullshit...

You could hear the taser going off in the video...

[KittyWampus]

13. Could you see the cops getting charged too? And maybe I'm wrong. But I'm open to being told so.

Maybe the taser wasn't full stength.

[TX-RAT]

25. An officer can get shocked if he makes contact with the fired dart wires.

[nebenaube]

9. are you...

really that ignorant with regard to the physics of current flow? Do you know how a taser actually works. I would say not. Why don't you volunteer to get shocked and see just how much you can protest and scream between charge cycles while spotters hold you to prevent a head injury as you collapse to the ground.

[KittyWampus]

16. According to several posts on this thread, there's a dual mode. Apparently, the one used wasn't

the painful, potentially lethal mode???

edit- I would like to find out what the actual difference is between modes.

[Heidi]

10. Yes, he was Tasered. The University of Florida admits it, and the two officers

involved have been suspended with pay.

http://www.alligator.org/articles/2007/09/19/news/uf_administration/machen.txt

[lateo]

29. Nice link

Thanks.

[Romulox]

11. I don't know much about tasers, but you're wrong on a key point...

"Tasing is done at a distance."

A Taser brand weapon may work that way, but a standard stun gun works at touch range.

E.g.:



I suspect this is an example of using a well-known brand name for a class of objects, in the same way many people ask for a "Kleenex" when they want a tissue.

[KittyWampus]

17. Thank You.

[paulk]

12. I think what they used is called a "drive stun"

Some tasers can be used that way, rather than fired from a distance - it's used to cause pain, rather than completely incapacitate, like when fired from a distance. Meyer didn't show the effects of a full on tasering.

[Marrah_G]

14. DU is filled with gullible folks desprate to be outraged

Jump on Kerry, jump on the cops, cheer when the cops are suspended (who gives a shit about their families right?)and side with a little disruptive asshole out to get his 15 minutes of fame. Compare him to ghandi, MLK, Jesus..... Compare his actions to Kent college and Tinamin square. Hold him up as a glorious beacon patriotic first amendment rights... Use this glorious beacon to further destroy the reputation of a good liberal senator.

Oh wait... it was all a lie.

Some days I really hate this place.

[BostonMa]

20. You\'re hysterical.

[baby_mouse]

34. Chin up, darling. Kerry condemned the tasing too.

Which, if you read the rest of this thread...

[A HERETIC I AM]

15. There are Tasers that are contact type devices though....

I actually have very little sympathy for this guy, however. It seems he has set himself up as a professional agitator and he was intentionally rude and obnoxious and he did resist arrest.

Free speach is one thing. Being an asshole is different.

[KittyWampus]

19. Thanks.

[Rob H.]

30. Is it wrong that I think that thing looks pretty cool?

Not that I would use one, but aesthetically it appeals to the science fiction nerd in me.


Edit: oops, extra "it". :blush:

[A HERETIC I AM]

32. LOL! "Available in an array of pleasant pastels!"

It is pretty cool looking, yeah.

[NashVegas]

46. You're Supposed to Think It Looks Pretty Cool

It's the consumer model. Very affordable, too, IIRC.

Just imagine the fun we could all have if everyone owned a Taser.

[Dora]

18. I was once advised NOT to buy a taser

I was considering buying a taser as a personal defense weapon. I had a repeat peeping tom that the police would not help me with. I was worried and afraid, and I called a gunshop to see if they sold tasers.

After talking with me on the phone about my situation, the gunshop owner advised me NOT to buy a taser. He said the problem with tasers as defense weapons is that they require the user to be right next to the assailant in order to use it - not a situation I wanted to be in. He advised me that the best weapons for my situation were those that could be used at a distance - guns or pepper spray. He recommended the pepper spray.

[melody]

22. I don't know much about crowd control contact devices but it sounds more and more like this

Set to stun, of course.


Sorry, I hate to make light of this, but I'm FAR more concerned about what Bush is doing behind closed doors
than I am these distractions to try to splinter Democrats, moderates and liberals.

[parasim]

23. Not so if you watch this video

A couple of people (including Eric Estrada) get tasered in this video. When Estrada gets it, there are clearly two officers holding on to each of his arms as he's being tasered. They didn't sem to get any of the jolts. Plus the sound of the taser in that video sounded just like the one in this recent tasering video...

check it out: http://youtube.com/watch?v=UncMrAt5gE4

edit to add: not only that, it certainly is possible to be yelling ow, ow, ow while being tasered.

[KittyWampus]

31. That video shows a woman getting something subtantial getting shot into her back

not just an electric charge.

[Tyler Durden]

27. From the TASER website:

snip

MUST THE PROBES PENETRATE THE BODY TO BE EFFECTIVE? No. The electrical current will "jump" up to two inches as long as both probes are attached to clothing or skin. At most, only the 3/8-inch needlepoint will penetrate the skin. They have less energy than a spring propelled BB.

snip

http://www.taser.org/q-and-a.html

What was said was correct: if there was any law officer within two inches of the subject, then you get TWO "Tased" for the price of one.

I haven't seen the video, but any non-lethal electric discharge weapon WILL travel to a second individual if there is contact: it is the nature of the type of electrical discharge. Think static electricity with a wallop.

[parasim]

43. Well, then the video I linked to above is fake...

Which is entirely possible... it was a "reality show"... but if the tasing there was real, there are certainly people in contact with the taseree and they're are not getting shocked.

[librechik]

35. I saw one of the security guards move his hand away quickly as if stung

and was reminded that they can't touch him while the taser's on.

[KittyWampus]

39. apparently, there's a dual mode. Where person firing won't be shocked unless they touch

the wires generating current.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

41. Keep spreading this BS. Two of the cops were suspended. eom

http://wdef.com/news/police_taser_florida_student_at_john_kerry_event/09/2007

[TX-RAT]

45. Suspended with pay, if i remember correctly.

Which is standard operation if an investigation involves unnecessary use of force. It just means there's an investigation, it doesn't imply guilt.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

50. Click on the police report. He was tasered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1848386&mesg_id=1849061

[Buzz Clik]

49. Paid administrative leave. The University is throwing a bone to the froth-at-the-mouth set.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

51. Police report. He was tasered.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1848386&mesg_id=1849061

So I will reiterate, the OP was spreading BS.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

52. Click on the police report. Meyer was tasered. Period.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1848386&mesg_id=1849061