Did anyone hear elizabeth on the "View" dissing the ACLU?

[againes654]

This may have been discussed already. If so, disregard this.

I don't really watch the view much anymore, but I wanted to see Whoopi. Yesterday they were talking about how the ACLU is actually defending Sen. Larry Craig. Now, I think what Larry Craig did was morally wrong (IMO), but what law did he break? The ACLU is defending his civil liberties. Everyone deserves that. I am looking for a clip, but haven't found one yet. Elizabeth was dissing the ACLU for people that they have supported in the past that she didn't like. NAMBLA was one.

I wanted to pull my hair out, but wanted to see what everyone else thought if you saw it. I will keep trying to find the clip.

[soleft]

1. Morally wrong because he was unfaithful to his wife?

[NaturalHigh]

19. Morally wrong because he was on a booty call...

where kids might walk in to use the restroom as it was intended.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. And Whoopie let Elizabeth have a free pass?

:wtf:

[Gato Moteado]

3. isn't nambla a bunch of old horny pediphiles?

i thought it was a group of men that likes to lure young boys into having sex with them.

if so, they have given up their rights IMHO.

[Ian David]

5. The ACLU wasn't defending their right to be pedophiles or molest children,

They were defending the constitutional principals that were violated in particular cases in the course of prosecuting the pedophiles.

Those are rights that non-pedophiles need protected, too.


See:

Why did the ACLU defend NAMBLA?
In representing NAMBLA, the ACLU does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children. What we do advocate is robust freedom of speech. This lawsuit strikes at the heart of freedom of speech. The defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. For more information, please read the ACLU's press release.
http://www.aclu.org/about/faqs/index.html#3_4


Also:


ACLU Statement on Defending Free Speech of Unpopular Organizations (8/31/2000)

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.

What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.

It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
http://www.aclu.org/freespeech/protest/11289prs20000831.html

[MaineYooper]

8. you have nambla right-

... however, ACLU defends their right to write, believe, and express certain thoughts, not their right to break the law.

[Ian David]

4. The ACLU also defended drug-addled gasbag Rush Limbaugh and Rev. Lonnie Latham. n/t

[YOY]

6. She's cute, blonde, and pregnant therefore always right!

Psycho FReep b*** can say what she wants.

Wouldn't want to upset her...:sarcasm:

[gatorboy]

7. Pfffff, who cares. The new girl thinks the world is flat.

The. New. Girl . Thinks. The. World. Is. FLAT.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/18/new-view-cohost-sherri_n_64864.html

[againes654]

14. No...

she said she didn't know.:sarcasm: When I heard her say that I was like, "she hasn't ever seen a picture of the earth from space"???

I think I have to stop watching the f'n view

[momster]

16. Hey, a table can be both round and flat

Maybe the earth is a table?

Maybe the new chick on the View is just dumb as a stump...which can also be round and flat.

I love how she states she's never bothered to think about the roundness/flatness of the earth but has apparently considered deeply the evidence for and against evolution and decided on 'against'.

[againes654]

17. Yeah, I think

she tends to follow Elizabeth's lead. The other day they were talking about HBO's new show Tell Me You Love Me. "The new girl" acted like sex was the worst thing ever, and that we should not teach our 12 year olds how to protect themselves. Yesterday she was talking about how she runs around naked in front of her 2 yr old son and shakes her b**bs in his face. Now even I think that is going to far, but a show on HBO that comes on late night is over the line.:sarcasm:

[MaineYooper]

9. Elizabeth "dissing" anything should be taken as a compliment.

She's not really capable of complex thought of her own, in my experience. Just very good at regurgitating talking points....

[Blaze Diem]

10. Is Elizabeth the new Kelly Ann Fitzpatrick??? GOP blonde bimbo mime

for 2007/8.

[0007]

11. In my view soliciting a police office for sex isn't exactly an everyday

act that would go unnoticed. I don't think the Police Officer made the story up.

[againes654]

13. But still

even if he didn't make it up, what did the arrest him for???

[0007]

22. Mr. Craig wasn't busted for taking a straight up and down dump was he?

What did Larry Craig plead guilty too? You figure it out!
I hope the 'Guilty is overturned' I want to see it go to court. I want it in the media as long as possible.

[againes654]

23. He still has civil liberties

whether we like what he did or not. People go to night clubs all the time looking for sexual partners. He happened to be in a bathroom looking for an adult male sexual partner. Do you know for a fact that he was then going to do the DO in the bathroom?

[redqueen]

24. There's a great deal of difference between a night club

and a public restroom in an airport.

[againes654]

25. What

the smell? So it is ok to look for sexual partners in a night club but not a bathroom, because they are "different".

[redqueen]

26. No, because one place is for adults only

and is well-known as a place to seek out a companion.

One is for everyone, and is for going to the restroom.

[againes654]

27. What about the grocery store

or even church, or the freaking street. He wasn't soliciting children, and was in a closed bathroom stall. Even if a child had been in the bathroom, I doubt that said child would have known what was going on.

[redqueen]

28. Yeah, sorry, but this really isn't a burning issue.

Just agree to disagree.

[yardwork]

21. How exactly did Craig solicit the police officer for sex?

Were you aware that foot-tapping was a solicitation for sex? I wasn't.

[the other one]

12. He pleaded guilty to disorderly conduct, didn't he?

I hope they let him withdraw his guilty plea and take him to court on the original charges. Now that would be entertaining.

Also, I believe he attempted to use his position as US Senator to convince the officer to forget the whole thing. I don't know if there is a law against that, but there should be.

[Dollface]

15. Too bad that everyone gets to have civil liberties... What a "moran".

What will she think when she finds out about the Nazis in Skokie?

(Card carrying member)

[truebrit71]

18. When is that pregnant sow going to squeeze out her new pup?

Shouln't she be home, bare-foot and pregnant cooking her man his chicken pot pie? I am sick to death of hearing the inane right-wing bullshit spewing from her vapid head...

[backscatter712]

20. Larry Craig's crimes are hardly worth mentioning.

He played footsie in a men's bathroom. The worst he did was sexual harassment in the form of peeping through the stall door. Creepy, but trivial.

I wish there was more focus on the high-scale crimes, like the crimes that resulted in 1.2 million DEATHS in Iraq, for example.