Official thread # 2 Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2

[rodeodance]

Official thread # 2 Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2

1st thread at:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1844926&mesg_id=1844926

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Webb amendment just starting on cspan2 (McCain will counter)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1844926#1844926
1844926, Webb amendment just starting on cspan2 (McCain will counter)
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Sep-19-07 10:22 AM

[rodeodance]

1. Lindswy G. has been DROONING on and on.

[TwilightGardener]

2. Lady Lindsey says talk of drawing down is killing troop morale--

they want to win! Too bad they're in an unwinnable conflict--if that's not the ultimate in cruelty, I don't know what is--to hold out that carrot that they will never get. Sick.

[rodeodance]

4. and pouring gasoline on people. says we can NOT afford to LOSE this war.

[valerief]

5. She drives me crazy. nt

[rodeodance]

7. Har har.

[bdamomma]

42. what a jerk Lindsey is.

[0007]

61. .....above and beyond, 'BITCH' is more fitting for that little two-footer

JOhn McCain is an idiot.

[AlCzervik]

3. Vitter? wow they'll let anyone in these days.

[trashcanistanista]

8. Why is Vitter not in jail?

Remind me someone?

[rodeodance]

12. You know Craig showed up to voted yesteday (no to DC rep. and NO to habeus corpus today)

[AlCzervik]

17. of course, public humiliation is worth toeing the line.

[trashcanistanista]

20. I know.

Pervert. He should be gone too by now.

[rodeodance]

6. a few RECS would be nice folks. thanks.

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. done. n/t

[AlCzervik]

14. K&R for you and i'm waiting for my barf bag.

make it happen please.

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Webb's up now. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

10. Warner and Vitter--why the FUCK should anyone listen to Vitter?

I hope he's freshly changed and powdered for the cameras.

[coco77]

11. Thats right Webb,,,

tell these assholes a thing or two..

[rodeodance]

18. Good--Webb set MCCAIN straigt who had brough up that Hagel was retiring-trying to diss his comments!

[TwilightGardener]

15. Webb points out that re-election has nothing to do with Webb and Hagel's position.

[trashcanistanista]

16. K&R for this

Thank you. Tuning in late so I was able to cach up with these threads.

[rodeodance]

19. keep up the thread folks I have to leave for a bit but will be back.

[TwilightGardener]

21. Webb--points out that in Korean war they were sending troops into

battle without being trained--Congress successfully stopped Prez and SecDef then.

[AlCzervik]

22. bah, what does Webb know about the military, thats just crazy talk!

[TwilightGardener]

24. The nerve of him.

[TwilightGardener]

23. Zinger--Webb just said Chimpy didn't have an exit strategy, because

he never intended to leave.

[AlCzervik]

25. unfortunately he ain't wrong about that.

[bdamomma]

46. of course, they want to stay indefinitely.

big money is being made, they do not give two craps about our troops or the Iraqi civilian population.

[TwilightGardener]

57. Yup. It's widely acknowledged that we didn't go in with enough troops, but

instead of correcting that situation early on in the war, we've continued to perpetrate that mistake by relying on the same small number of volunteers, over and over again. All for money and oil.

[rodeodance]

72. yeah----said seeing it now in action

[TwilightGardener]

26. BWAH! Warner HAS no resolution, as McCain has been saying all morning.

[trashcanistanista]

27. Warner up.

Let's see if he caves.

[trashcanistanista]

29. Warner kissing up to Webb.

Laying the groundwork. Both served as Sect. of Navy. Didn't know that about Webb.

[TwilightGardener]

30. Oh, it's all over. He thinks a token number of troops coming home

(that were already scheduled to come home) should be enough to satisfy everyone.

[AlCzervik]

28. Warner--do the right thing and by "Right" i mean correct.

[coco77]

31. These people don't care that we don't have enough troops..

and that they are wearing them out. They want to wear them out so that they can call for the draft and when they do, they will get more than they bargained for..

[TwilightGardener]

33. Hagel said, these are REAL PEOPLE--who will speak up for them, if not the Congress?

[trashcanistanista]

35. OK Warner you can sit down and STFU now,

We know where you stand, you asshole!

[TwilightGardener]

32. Warner is laying it on thick, getting ready to shove the partisan knife

through his amendment.

[AlCzervik]

34. yup, the set up. Eh Tu Warner?

[TwilightGardener]

36. Yep--Warner will summon his entire legacy to defeat this, even though

he voted for it just two months ago. Old fucking goat.

[trashcanistanista]

37. Volunteer army is there because

they want to be there. Is he trying to convince himself the troops don't want breaks? What a POS.

[MiniMe]

38. Warner - I endorsed it, and put my name on it, and will vote against it

Argh. Support the troops my ass

[trashcanistanista]

40. Warner just droining on

not making any sense. He is a traitor to the military today.

[coco77]

39. We knew your ass would vote against it warner...

I am so tired of these enabling bastards. I want to see every ad by the Dems in the upcoming campaigning spelling out how things got the way they are and how these enabling bastards helped it to get the way it is now.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

41. Waner will vote 'NO' ... just another troop hating asshat

now trying to justify his flip-flop. :mad:

[trashcanistanista]

44. Webb will NEVER

let this ammendment die. He is a hero.

[TwilightGardener]

45. So is Hagel.

[trashcanistanista]

48. Hagel blows me away with the size of his balls

and I wish he wouldn't retire. He has done well as far as the troops go.

[TwilightGardener]

53. LOL! Yes, he had a good day today--one of the few R's to vote for cloture on Habeas Corpus--

proud that he's my Senator. I'm going to miss him.

[TwilightGardener]

43. Warner--I influenced the President to bring troops home. Am I not the bomb?

What more do you people want? The President is oh-so-flexible.

[coco77]

47. Hurry up warner! Get out resign now!

[trashcanistanista]

49. I already told him to sit down and STFU.

Apparently he wasn't listening to me.

[TwilightGardener]

50. Warner: I voted for it in July because I was thinking about my re-election.

Now I'm against it to be remembered as a loyal little Repub. Love me!

[rodeodance]

52. well said! Te he

[rodeodance]

51. back again for a bit.

[rodeodance]

54. on and on warner is going on and on about nothing.

[Beaverhausen]

55. I know. What the hell is he talking about?

[rodeodance]

58. warner saying this amendment is UNfair to others serving in Iraq. umm. does this

apply only to combat troops and not to support troops?

[TwilightGardener]

60. Warner--I agree with your amendment, but I agree even more with people

who are more politically popular than you.

[bdamomma]

56. what total BS, they are still not listening to us.

everytime they mention "polls" like Lindsay did, they show the American people no respect.

[AlCzervik]

59. my God this is such horse shit and i feel really bad for the troops and Webb.

Warner used Webb and punked the troops.

[TwilightGardener]

Yep--you said it.

[trashcanistanista]

63. Webb will continue to bring this up, over and over.

I don't think he can be punked. He is way too smart. He probably saw this coming. He can handle it. THe troops, on the other hand, are fucked for the moment.

[flpoljunkie]

62. The courtly Senator Foghorn Leghorn caves into Bush's White House, as expected.

Why don't the Republicans "REALLY SUPPORT THE TROOPS" instead of just endlessly mouthing the platitude.

[AlCzervik]

64. AAARRRRRRGGGGGGHHHHH

[TwilightGardener]

66. I have that reaction every time McCain opens his foul yap.

[flpoljunkie]

68. McCain is a tempermental prick, ill-suited to be Commander-in-Chief.

[rodeodance]

99. He has a quick temper also-just like Bush regardless of outward appearnaces.

[SaveOurDemocracy]

65. McCain thanking Warner for "in-depth analysis"

back and forth bullshit.

[TwilightGardener]

69. McCain and Warner tag-teaming, just like McCain and Divine Miss Lindsey.

McCain is really just using the Webb-Hagel amendment as an excuse to get in front of the cameras and campaign to the base. He has no real legislation to offer. He's disgusting.

[rodeodance]

67. Topic subject Warner just lied; he claimed he and Levin saw 'measurable success'

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Warner just lied; he claimed he and Levin saw 'measurable success'
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1846426#1846426
1846426, Warner just lied; he claimed he and Levin saw 'measurable success'
Posted by babylonsister on Wed Sep-19-07 12:21 PM

on their trip to Iraq in August. So what was the stink Warner made after he got home all about? And as for Levin:

Levin: Escalation’s Goals Have ‘Totally And Utterly Failed,’ Begin Withdrawal In Less Than 4 Months

Sen. Carl Levin (D-MI), the Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, recently visited Iraq with Sen. John Warner (R-VA) and reported that the escalation is “totally and utterly” failing to produce the political reconciliation needed.

The media is reporting Levin’s comments as validation of Bush’s strategy. Fox News spins Levin’s comments as “praise” for the “surge results.” ABC claims the comments are proof of “success of the surge.”

In fact, in a conference call with reporters this afternoon, Levin conceded that the troop increase has “resulted in some reduced violence in some places in Iraq,” but specifically said the troop increase has not accomplished its stated objective:

{T}he whole purpose of the surge was to reduce violence so that the Iraqi leaders would have the breathing room to reach political settlement. That was the stated purpose of the surge.

Well, that purpose has not been achieved, even though the level of violence has been reduced in a number of areas. The purpose of the surge, by its own terms, was to have the — give the opportunity to the Iraqi leaders to reach some political settlements. They have failed to do that. They have totally and utterly failed.

more...

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/08/20/levin-iraq-return/

[rodeodance]

70. Lots of Pillow talk between Warner and McCain.

[AlCzervik]

73. This is beyond frustrating, watching cspan is akin to flogging.

[Beaverhausen]

71. Why are Warner and McCain discussing this? Fuck these assholes

Where are the Dems for fucks sake?

[TwilightGardener]

74. Can Hagel speak again? How about a Dem--ANYBODY to get in between

this fraudulent fuckfest?

[AlCzervik]

75. Obama up right now.

[trashcanistanista]

76. Here's one - Obama!

[trashcanistanista]

81. Obama strongly disagrees with warner.

Assures armed forces maintain ability to meet any challenge around the world. He is a co-sponsor. Opposed war in the beginning.

[rodeodance]

77. they both took their Viagra today

[librechik]

78. because they got together to sneak in their own worthless amendment

that will surely blind all the pUkkkes to Webb's version.

[TwilightGardener]

79. GOBAMA!!! Jump in there!

[rodeodance]

80. Obama up. (thought Vitter was next)-----oh well. Obama supports Webb amend.

[TwilightGardener]

82. He is making an excellent case.

[trashcanistanista]

83. Bama Bama go BAma

Banana nana Fo fama, fee fi mo mama - Obama!!!

[bdamomma]

85. thank goodness someone came to our troops defense.

really disgusting how they can say support the troops, and then slap them down, they have no respect for these troops non whatsover.

[TwilightGardener]

84. Obama--military cannot sustain same crippling rotation schedule

and still keep us safe against other threats.

[rodeodance]

86. Repug Champliss praining sen. Warner for his expertise.

[TwilightGardener]

87. Who's this Deputy Dawg guy from Georgia? He's trying to boost

Warner's reputation and says that if Warner changes his mind, he must be right (instead of just a flip-flopping asshole).

[rodeodance]

88. We all know Warner did a FLIP FLOP-after leading congress on to believe he

would support Webb. damm

[rodeodance]

90. he is calling the Iraq WAR a CONFLICT also (same as McCain did earlier)

[rodeodance]

91. 'micromanagement"-heard that LOTS today. IT is a RW talking point.

[AlCzervik]

89. "Aye rise in opposition to this amendment" no asshat you rise in opposition

to actually supporting the troops. And you served where chmabliss?

[TwilightGardener]

92. I think he had a bum knee. Or some other chickenshit excuse.

[TwilightGardener]

93. Saxby, invoking that magic word: Petraeus. Petraeus. Like a sacred prayer--Petraeus.

[rodeodance]

94. HERE: Tell the Senate: Support Our Troops and End the War by Voting YES on the Webb-Hagel Amendment

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Tell the Senate: Support Our Troops and End the War by Voting YES on the Webb-Hagel Amendment
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1846683#1846683
1846683, Tell the Senate: Support Our Troops and End the War by Voting YES on the Webb-Hagel Amendment
Posted by L. Coyote on Wed Sep-19-07 12:40 PM

Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:42:19 GMT
From: "ActForChange by Working Assets"
To: Lil H. Coyote
Subject: Tell the Senate: Don't Let the Troops Down Again

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Support for the President's disastrous policy in Iraq is fading fast. Ask your Senators to support the Webb-Hagel amendment on troop readiness.
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This week, Senators Jim Webb (D-VA) and Chuck Hagel (R-NE) are introducing an amendment to the defense bill that -- if passed -- will finally provide relief to America's overextended military by mandating adequate time between deployments. This legislation could be the important first step in ending the war in Iraq because it will force President Bush to begin drawing down the number of troops deployed.

Senators Webb & Hagel introduced this same legislation back in July, but Republicans in the Senate blocked its passage because they knew that passing it would mean that the president could not sustain elevated troop levels in Iraq. In doing so, they showed that their "support the troops" rhetoric is nothing but empty words. The troop readiness amendment will come up again later this week in the Senate -- and this time there's a strong chance that we can get enough votes to pass it -- so please take action right away.

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[rodeodance]

100. i have Feingold and Kohl who will vote Yes. but I called to support them

[TwilightGardener]

95. Saxby just said "schedyooools". I've had enough of his boring twangy ass.

[TwilightGardener]

98. Saxby--President said it will be a long and enduring war--and he's right!

We're fighting a VICIOUS enemy! (Which enemy? Er, who knows--but they're VICIOUS!).

[rodeodance]

96. he is another Drone that needs to RETIRE!

[Beaverhausen]

97. Fuck this asshole

sorry, the f-word is flying from me to day but I am so pissed.

[rodeodance]

101. I will start another thread.

[rodeodance]

102. GO HERE for # 3 thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1846910

[MiniMe]

103. I love my Senator, Barbara Mikulski

go get em