Official thread # 3-Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2

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Official thread # 3-Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2

Official thread # 2 Webb amendment- Senate Debate -cspan2
1st thread at: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1844926&mesg_id=1844926

Forum Name General Discussion

Topic subject Webb amendment just starting on cspan2 (McCain will counter)
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1844926#1844926
1844926, Webb amendment just starting on cspan2 (McCain will counter)
Posted by rodeodance on Wed Sep-19-07 10:22 AM

[TwilightGardener]

1. Mikulski--giving 'em hell about how we'll give Iraqis a break (vacation)

while our boys fight for them, but we're not willing to cut our own troops a break.

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4. and talking of 20,000$$ dollar BONUS re-inlistment. and employers holding jobs (or

NOT holding jobs here at home)

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2. sen barbara mulkowski up=====says WILL say YES to Webb

[MiniMe]

3. I love my Senator - Barbara Mikulski

go get em Barbara

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5. you go gal

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7. says 102 degrees in Iraq yesterday. Lots of dissing 'we need more time" mantra!

[MiniMe]

6. Mikulski - I want more time for the troops instead of the Iraqi politicians

Tough lady.

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8. that was a good one. She is talking of families and their difficulties.

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9. Ha-then the Zinger----"But we got to give the Iraqi more time"

[TwilightGardener]

10. Petraeus. Petraeus. Petraeus. ohmmmmm. Petraeus.

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11. NEEDS some RECS please

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12. k

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13. k

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14. k

[TwilightGardener]

15. LOL! Bond actually brought up "Return on Success"--laughable!

[redqueen]

18. What?

Ugh...


edit: fifth rec :)

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31. THANKS for the big 5 (i have no barf bags for when Repugs are up-so beware)

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16. GAWD-----who is that SUCKRT-UPPER? (my screen is blurry)

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17. O-I see now---BOND---------the sucker

[w8liftinglady]

19. I just saw warner on cnn-he has sold his f*ing soul

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35. he sure did. sold it to the WH

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38. Gawd. I wish I couls this BS where it would HURT!!

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20. hey Sucker-you last REPug Congress was the DO-NOTHING congress-REmember??????

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21. Bond--Iraq is doing better than WE are in Congress--how dare we point

fingers at them? Could he be MORE of a dumbfuck? Oh, and: Al qaeda!

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22. I was screaming at my computer screen when he said that!!

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23. Bond--blaming Clinton for letting terrorists get away with actions.

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24. I have to take deep breaths when I listen to this crapola

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26. HERE we go----the RW talking point which ALL have used today: MICROMANAGEMENT

[bdamomma]

36. again how can we subject ourselves to these kinds of insults

the repigs spew at all of us. It is insulting to Americans.

[TwilightGardener]

25. Bond--supporters of Webb Hagel want us to lose, and want chaos and genocide.

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27. Bond--Webb/Hagel--would actually OVERSTRESS Guard and Reserves--

he's just making shit up now.

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29. Oh, now he's bringing up his son--gotta use him for political advantage.

Yep, his son must speak for all the other troops.

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28. UGGA

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30. Bond--brings up MoveOn, pretends it's part of the debate on Webb amendment.

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32. Just yammering on, can't shut his fucking piehole now that he has

a microphone.

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33. Also bringing up the wonder and beauty of FISA--how dare anyone

criticize FISA?

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34. Bond saying some dissed Gen. Mike McConnell-and will NOW set the Record straight!!

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37. Holy shit, we're totally off the reservation now--Bond is just using his mike time

to push his own agenda--what an absolute dick.

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66. yes, he did and he should have called on it!!

[bdamomma]

39. kick

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60. hey thankie-and another KICKY POOOOOOOOO

[Beaverhausen]

40. Do these republicans simply want to lose everything next fall?

why are they going against what a huge majority of americans want?

[bdamomma]

51. they do not care what the American people want.

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71. I hope it will be lesson for them: like Collins who I hear is in some trouble.

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41. Bond: Blah blah I'm an asshole blah blah why do people vote for me blah blah

I can't even stick to the amendment we're debating blah blah I've got the cameras on me blah blah so I'm going to get in partisan cheap shots blah blah blah...

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42. Webb back up, after Bond's off-topic self-serving bullshit.

Trying to remind everyone what his amendment is about.

[rateyes]

43. Isn't it great to see the Democratic Senator

Webb, instead of the Repig Senator Allen, from Virginia, debating on the floor of the senate?

[TwilightGardener]

44. Webb describing how specific units cope with deployment--

not enough dwell time because of rotation cycles.

[coco77]

45. Webb is keeping them on the subject...

they throw in everything but what is,is.

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46. Webb is sticking to the military aspect of this--which is what he needs

to do (rather than speaking broadly about the surge).

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47. McCain pushing his own toothless cynical bullshit amendment.

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48. McCain wants kissinger and Kagan (neocon fuck) articles put into record.

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49. Kyl--talking about unfortunate consequences of Webb amendment--

because if there's one thing the GOP is good at, it's predicting the consequences of war strategy and tactics.

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52. pooping on Webb amendment. as expected

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54. HA----he has the NERVE to talk about STRETCHING the Constitution and BINDING the COC!

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50. KYL should uniform up and go stand at this border that he is so worried about!!

[AlCzervik]

53. Senator Kyl hates the troops.

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56. they are an abstraction to him ---exist for their political points only

[coco77]

55. They don't give a damn about the troops!

they will come up with every amendment possible to stop the troops from having long deployments. What in the fuck is he talking about " putting the troops at risk" These old bastards need to take there asses over there and take their places!

[RamblingRose]

57. I'm jumping in the middle here, but what does it appear the vote count will be?

I've been listening on cspan2 and it's making me ill. Are we close to having the votes for it to pass?

[rodeodance]

68. i think they only have a few more. but not sure

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58. YO PATTY MURRY--a fine caring Senator.

[ClayZ]

59. That is my Senator!

She will tell it like it is!

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61. Good for you. I will brag a bit also-Fiengold is my senator--He kicks **ass

[rodeodance]

62. Look---Boxer, Feingold, Dodd----FORCED his hand on this!!

Forum Name Latest Breaking News
Topic subject Look---Boxer, Feingold, Dodd----FORCED his hand on this!!
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2996558#2996567
2996567, Look---Boxer, Feingold, Dodd----FORCED his hand on this!!
Posted by rodeodance on Tue Sep-18-07 08:42 PM


Democrats are in a box on the Iraq war debate, lacking the votes to pass legislation ordering troops home but tied to a support base that wants nothing less. Several Democrats, including Sens. Christopher Dodd of Connecticut, Russ Feingold of Wisconsin and Barbara Boxer of California, have said they will not vote for anything short of a firm deadline to end the war.

[ClayZ]

86. Oops!

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63. Josh Marshall: Warlord-in-Chief

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Josh Marshall: Warlord-in-Chief
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1847166#1847166
1847166, Josh Marshall: Warlord-in-Chief
Posted by babylonsister on Wed Sep-19-07 01:18 PM

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/053627.php

Warlord-in-Chief
09.19.07 -- 1:40PM
By Josh Marshall

As you can see, we're all over today's developments in the Webb-Warner imbroglio. But I want to zero in on Sen. McCain's (R-AZ) claim that Webb's amendment is not just wrong-headed but plainly unconstitutional. People talk a lot of crap and a lot of trash up on Capitol Hill. But this seems worth addressing. The idea that the United States Congress cannot make laws governing the organization, regulation and laws governing the US military is as plainly ridiculous as it is shocking.

The organization of the branches, the order of ranks and the chain of command, the Uniform Code of Military Justice all come from laws passed by Congress. What McCain must be claiming is that these regulations about lengths of troop deployments amount to de facto limitations on his operational control of the Army. But all sorts of those regs and laws I just mentioned do that in one sense of another. And of course cutting off funds would do the same thing (something the GOP talking points claim would be an appropriate, if ill-advised, assertion of congressional power).

As I said, people spout off about a lot of crap on Capitol Hill. But McCain's claim is part of a increasingly common Republican claim that the president is a virtual dictator on all questions regarding the American military.

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64. Patty saying our Ready Unit is NOT able to respond in 72 hrs as they are susppose to.

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65. talking lots of hardships on State Nat. Guards-families/equipment.

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67. Patty reallly doing good -stress on the Families.

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69. talking about having a vote after a few more, THEN bringing up another amendment

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70. REpug "--'this is an EXtreemly DANGEROUS amendment"

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72. k

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74. "the jr. Sen. CLAIMS to be concerned about the TROOPS"--oh oh---I think his demeaning

tone of voice just got him in DEEP_DOOO D)))

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75. he might as well have just told Webb he was unpatriot!!

[Beaverhausen]

73. ok- so let's have a draft so we DO have enough soldiers

that is the only way to end this war, goddamn it!

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76. 'YOU are not the COC and neither is anyone in this body"!!

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77. John Tester-MT up now----of couse he SUPPORTS WEBB

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78. says we need a strong military--and the surge is WEAKENING the military

[AlCzervik]

79. Lieberman!!!!!!

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84. wonder if he will bring up IRaN

[SaveOurDemocracy]

91. wishful thinking...

[Chipper Chat]

80. Liebermann is insane!

He is licking Chimp's butt profusely with some Petraeus sauce on the side, What a loser.

[wicket]

82. ROFL

:rofl: :rofl:

[Chipper Chat]

89. Joe has moved to the right of Mitch McConnell.

Incredible!

[wicket]

90. Freakin' frightening

And sickening at the same time :puke:

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81. OH MY GAWD--Lieberman up-talking of PROGRESS and PETAEUS-facts!!

[AlCzervik]

83. i have a whole bottle of tums but what i really need is a vodka and soda.

[rodeodance]

88. forget the soda-He makes me so so so sick

[Beaverhausen]

85. Lieberman brings up IRAN again

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94. I KNEW he would!

[ClayZ]

Joe "I want to go to Iran" Liebermann

[bdamomma]

103. oh shit he is delusional too.

Joe you don't like brown people?????? you slime

[GreatCaesarsGhost]

87. hey bunning - even major league pitchers get time to rest

i wonder how his arm would feel if he had to pitch every day.

[ClayZ]

92. He is an awful man!

[AlCzervik]

93. What the fuck alternate universe does he live in? "Successful war plan"

[AlCzervik]

95. "With the help of god you'll win" can you hear me screaming?

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98. sure did

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99. Topic subject Did I just hear Lieberman say we will win in Iraq with

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject Did I just hear Lieberman say we will win in Iraq with
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1847962#1847962
1847962, Did I just hear Lieberman say we will win in Iraq with
Posted by rateyes on Wed Sep-19-07 02:23 PM

the help of God? Yeah, God, if there IS a God, blesses the killing of innocent Iraqi children.

Hey, Holy Joe, SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU ARROGANT PIECE OF SHIT!!

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96. I heard a rumor that He was changing back to a DEM. anyone hear this?

[Beaverhausen]

97. How is bringing them home "burdening" the soldiers, Lieberdweeb?

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100. Dem Sheppard Brown up now

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101. I will start another thread.

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102. THEAD 4 HERE:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1848068