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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:16 PM
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Democrats Prove Themselves to Be Moral Cowards
The latest news on the Democrats is this:

WASHINGTON - Democrats are not expected to take up President Bush's war spending request until November, giving them time to calculate their next move and see if Republican support for his policies deteriorates.

The delay in passing the bill, which Bush says is needed by Oct. 1, is likely to intensify the standoff between the Democratic-controlled Congress and Bush, who says at least 130,000 troops are needed in Iraq through next summer.

Now, with the exception of Dennis Kucinich, all other Democrats seem to be confused. I’m not quite sure that they have done their homework. Or, if they have done their homework, they are playing games with the American people so that they can continue to make money from special interest groups and corporate interest groups who are engaged in war profiteering. Or, they think they should prolong this death and destruction so that Republicans can look worse and so they can ensure that people vote for anybody but a Republican without thinking who that “anybody” is in 2008.

Whatever it is, the Democrats appear to be in need of some help in making a decision. So here are various statistics including some statistics from the Brookings Institution’s Iraq Index:

3,777 US Soldiers Killed, 27,848 Seriously Wounded

Journalists killed - 112, 74 by murder and 38 by acts of war

Journalists killed by US Forces - 14

Iraqi Police and Soldiers Killed - 7,442

Iraqi Civilians Killed, Estimated - A UN issued report dated Sept 20, 2006 stating that Iraqi civilian casualities have been significantly under-reported. Casualties are reported at 50,000 to over 100,000, but may be much higher. Some informed estimates place Iraqi civilian casualities at over 600,000.

Non-Iraqi Contractors and Civilian Workers Killed - 539

Non-Iraqi Kidnapped - 305, including 54 killed, 147 released, 4 escaped, 6 rescued and 94 status unknown.

Iraqis Displaced Inside Iraq, by Iraq War, as of May 2007 - 2,135,000

Iraqi Refugees in Syria & Jordan - 1.3 million to 1.75 million

Iraqi Unemployment Rate - 27 to 60%, where curfew not in effect

Consumer Price Inflation in 2006 - 50%

Iraqi Children Suffering from Chronic Malnutrition - 28% in June 2007 (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Percent of professionals who have left Iraq since 2003 - 40%

Any Democratic leaders understand the situation better yet?

Iraqi Physicians Before 2003 Invasion - 34,000

Iraqi Physicians Who Have Left Iraq Since 2005 Invasion - 12,000

Iraqi Physicians Murdered Since 2003 Invasion - 2,000

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 1 to 2 hours, per Ryan Crocker, U.S. Ambassador to Iraq (Per Los Angeles Times, July 27, 2007)

Average Daily Hours Iraqi Homes Have Electricity - 10.9 in May 2007

Average Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 5.6 in May 2007

Pre-War Daily Hours Baghdad Homes Have Electricity - 16 to 24

Number of Iraqi Homes Connected to Sewer Systems - 37%

Iraqis without access to adequate water supplies - 70% (Per CNN.com, July 30, 2007)

Water Treatment Plants Rehabilitated - 22%

And just how much money has gone towards this war that has allowed so many of our soldiers to enjoy fun, travel, and adventure in Iraq?

Spent & Approved War-Spending - About $600 billion of US taxpayers' funds. President Bush is expected to request another $200 billion for 2008, which would bring the cumulative total to close to $800 billion.

That’s your taxpayer money. And the Democratic-controlled Congress is looking to give even more money to fund the war without even agreeing to give more money to the war. Just how do they plan on doing that you ask?

In the meantime, Congress also is expected to approve the Pentagon's nearly half trillion annual budget, which omits war spending. That money covers routine costs, including training, payrolls and weapons procurement.

Under that bill, the military is expected to be granted the authority to transfer money between accounts, potentially keeping the war afloat for several more months.

The Pentagon’s bloated budget will be keeping the war going, and the Democrats will be allowing it every step of the way. They are not going to try and stop it. There’s no reason to try and stop it and have a confrontation so lives can be saved in Iraq. The party will not benefit from a confrontation. The party will benefit from sitting back, allowing more death and destruction to occur, and letting the American people watch the Republicans struggle to figure out how to continue the war.

Murtha and other Democrats say final passage of the annual spending bill — anticipated by early October — curbs the urgency of the separate war spending bill. It also lends breathing space to a party divided on what to do next.

CURBS THE URGENCY?!!! America this is utterly insane. It has never been more urgent than now to act and defund the war. The party is only divided on the issue because the corporate powers that be are telling Democratic leaders what to do or else face loss of future campaign contributions. Oh, and there’s also that fact that 5 people running ---all Senators (Sen. Clinton, Sen. Edwards, Sen. Obama, Sen. Dodd, Sen. Biden) ---would rather go on this ride than have Richardson’s campaign, Gravel’s campaign, or most importantly, the man who has sponsored the policy that is the only real solution to this Iraq quagmire, Dennis Kucinich’s campaign benefit from bringing the troops home now.

Murtha and other Democratic leaders used to be talking “strategic redeployment”. They used to be seriously looking at withdrawal. But they can’t even do that now. The party is in so much disarray and riddled with so much weakness that out of fear of losing face they postpone a debate on funding of the war because they know the outcome will upset the American people greatly.

To our men and women in harm’s way, it is a terribly insane that the Democratic leaders who won control of the House and Senate in 2006 cannot get you out of harm’s way. I shudder at the thought of what it must feel like to be stuck in Iraq doing what? What mission are you pursuing? Even if it is to allow corporations access to Iraq’s oil reserves, you aren’t being told to go fight for that. No general is telling you that’s why you must secure Iraq. So what is the mission?

America, we should not wait for our soldiers to figure out what they are in Iraq for. The war is over. The mission is over. The cash flow should be stopped. If not for moral reasons such as stopping massive destruction and countless deaths, than for the fact that economically we can no longer keep track of the cash flow having lost 9 billion dollars of US taxpayers' money and also mismanaged and wasted 10 billion. And so we must refuse to wait any longer for improvements, for benchmarks to be met, or for anything else Democrats ask us to wait for.

Our mission is clear. Get these “spineless, gutless, hapless Democrats” to stop being skulking cowardly politicians in Washington. Make them stand up for the American people and the American troops in Iraq. Tell your representative or senator to defund the war now and bring our troops home.

End this Insanity Now!!!!!

REFERENCES

http://usliberals.about.com/od/homelandsecurit1/a/IraqNumbers.htm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070917/ap_on_go_co/us_iraq

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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:20 PM
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1. you forgot one thing
Republicans.

They get to vote, too, you know.
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yourout Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:21 PM
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2. Jello has more substance than some of our elected Reps.
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TwilightZone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 10:57 PM
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3. What's with the right-wing talking points?
"Moral cowards"?

With friends like these....
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Baby Snooks Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:00 AM
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15. Just the same...
Some of the Democrats seem to be playing the "bipartisan" game which in this game is merely conceding the game.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/profile/1534

You do have to wonder if the term "progressive" has become a term with double meaning. And the other meaning is merely a cover for neo-conservatism in the Democratic Party.

The labels we use seem to be used merely to convince a specific demographic that the candidate represents their interest. Most seem to only represent the private interest rather than the public interest. Centrist, liberal, progressive. Means nothing. In either party. Really nothing more than a marketing tool.

Whether you have the votes, you should still try to get the bill to the floor for a vote. And if you get the bill to the floor and you really don't have the votes, then the responsibility falls on the shoulders of those who voted against it.

The American people want an end to this phony war. And it is phony. It serves neither the interests of the American people or the Iraqi people. Those who support continuing it may find themselves paying for the support at the polls. But we have to know who does and who doesn't. Rhetoric means nothing. Votes on the floor are there for all to see. As are the votes to keep it from the floor.



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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:51 AM
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17. Good
Thank you for bringing logic and reason to the table. Anyone else care to chime in with some logic and reason?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:02 PM
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4. if Dems are moral cowards, what are Republicans?
Traitors?

Why aren't you out there bashing those who actually CAN stop the war and bring the troops home?
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:11 PM
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5. ????
I am bashing those who CAN stop the war. The Democrats CAN articulate a message to get our troops home. They can frame a discussion that would make us think it is patriotic to get them home now. They can stop funding the war ending it now. In 120 days, the troops could be back home. Iraq could be on its way to being stable again. The Democrats CAN pursue plans to do this.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:26 PM
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6. you're bashing the wrong crowd
the Democrats are trying to stop this war. The Republicans are preventing it.

Nonsense like you've posted here is why no one (outside of DU, anyway) takes DK seriously. Saying what should be done is a far cry from actually figuring out a way to do it.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:49 PM
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8. What I've articulated does have a way
It's just that involves the vast majority of the Demcoratic Party actually doing something. They have to stop postponing actually tackling a solution to ending this mistake of a war.

And don't pin Dennis's problems on me. I am not having an effect on his success. Don't try to tell me I have that much power. That is nonsense. It would be nice to think if I started speaking all great about the Democrats and wrote Dennis' name in a few times his popularity would shoot up. But that is asinine.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:01 AM
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9. you've presented his plan...
defund the war and it will end.

poof!
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:25 AM
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11. No, you'd be a looney if you thought that
There's more to it. The plan doesn't stop at defunding but I am making it easy for these spineless, gutless, hapless Democrats to get the ball rolling. Obviously, an international peackeeping and security task force will have to be instituted to help the Iraqis stabilize. They will be closer to stabilization, however, once we leave because we will be leaving. Targets for al-Qaeda will be leaving and they will have to rethink plans. Also, we have to get corporations and other interests out of there so that Iraq's government can get up and running and serve its people.

No, there's no POOF! But it would be nice, wouldn't it?
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 12:02 AM
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10. That may be so.
But they do not have the votes to stop the war, without the cooperation of Republicans.

So why not start bashing some Republicans, sonny?

The easiest way to get this shut down is for some statesmanship from Republicans.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:28 AM
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12. No vote is required...this is a "duh"
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 07:29 AM by patrioticintellect
All Nancy Pelosi and other leaders have to do is go to the president and say, "There is no more money, Mr. President. The war is over. Bring the troops home now or suffer the consequences. You've run out of money and if you leave your troops there, Mr. President, soldiers will die and it will be your fault."

As long as there is no bill to appropriate more funds and legislate a next stage in the war, than there is no money for the war. The money will run out at some point. The troops will come home as a result of a refusal to make any more plans for the war. And the Democrats who control the House and Senate can do this without ever having to deal with not having enough votes.
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Enthusiast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:25 AM
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14. Right on!
The Democrats are moral giants compared with the opposition.
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patrioticintellect Donating Member (490 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:50 AM
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16. I will not participate in the folly of the least worst
And neither should you. We have the power to demand more of the officials we will be electing. We should and must make these demands regardless of how it hurts "their electability". That's such corporate bullshit. "Electability" is constructed by the media and engrained in our mind in such a way that keeps us from thinking. Your thoughts are being controlled. Stand up for your right to have candidates who will stick up for you.
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-18-07 11:34 PM
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7. Feet of Clay! Just like during the Vietnam Era, back to the streets - The people, not the Democrats
brought our troops home from Vietnam like WE WILL DEMAND our politicians submit to our will in Iraq.

Our illustrious Political Leaders work for us - NOT Lockheed Martin, et. al. :grr:
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:19 AM
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13. Here's the reason they are in such an all-fired up mode to get the funding:
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