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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:10 PM
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I May Have Gone Insane
I May Have Gone Insane
By William Rivers Pitt
t r u t h o u t | Columnist

Wednesday 19 September 2007

We dance round in a ring and suppose,
But the Secret sits in the middle and knows.

- Robert Frost, "The Secret Sits"


It is a legitimately demented phenomenon, all the more so because it all started with a joke. Not even a funny joke, either, but a sad and threadbare thing I told only to myself, and no one else. When the clustered elements of our collective national burden erupted in masterfully synchronized bedlam, as they so often seem to, I had that joke to tell myself, and it may not have helped much, but it was there.

Every time another cacophony of freshly minted lunacy was unleashed - lunacy regarding Iraq, the NSA domestic surveillance program, White House defiance of subpoenas, timorously flaccid performances by the Congressional majority, or merely when enduring the repeated "nukyalur"-ized butchery of public political rhetoric was required by my employers, all of which emphatically pegged the needle on my Pandemoni-O-Meter - I had that joke to tell myself.

The joke is spherically terrible, i.e. bad in every possible direction in three dimensions and across 360 rounded degrees. It isn't even a joke, really, which may be why it went so abruptly and bewilderingly sideways on me months ago. The joke, to be embarrassingly honest, is more like some half-bright mantra than anything else. As I came to discover, however, it managed to settle my mind when the needle was in the red. Perhaps the thing is best described as my self-generated Zen koan; though it did not actually stop my mind in proper koan fashion, it kept me from putting my head through the wall, and that made it valuable indeed.

The joke: people say Bush and his people want to raze the core nature of the country itself by wrecking the Constitution, and they're correct. People say Bush and his people are enriching their friends beyond dreams of avarice at our actual expense, by way of war-inflated oil prices; war-captured Iraqi oil infrastructure; the orgiastic plunder of Treasury money through calamitously unsound tax cuts for Bush's pals; and through an Iraq war profiteering scam so unutterably corrupt that it bends the very light. That, and more besides, is what people say, and they're correct.

But all that, along with everything else the Bush crew has done, just isn't enough for them. What Bush and his people really seek, at bottom, is to destroy the basic definition and literal existence of reality itself. They want to destroy reality, rebuild it according to their own blueprint, so the sum and substance of this new reality will accept as axiomatic the idea that lying, stealing and wholesale carnage are badges of integrity and moral clarity. In other words, our comprehensively understood reality today would be replaced by whatever madcap anti-reality currently exists within the walls of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

I warned you.

As bad as that chaotically crossbred joke/rant/mantra thing is, it wasn't meant to be anything other than a harmless sliver of wordplay, something that settled my nerves and gave me a private little chuckle - that alone, and nothing more.

Things are different now. It isn't a joke anymore, at least not to me. The premise that the Bush administration has literally been trying to shatter elemental reality on planet Earth has steadily gained traction in my mind. It started as that sort-of joke, then it became an idea, and then it became an actual hypothesis, a working theory requiring research and evidence and argument so that, someday, I can prove it to be an unassailable bone-basic truth.

And yes, the fact that I'm quite serious about this has me quietly yet legitimately concerned for my own mental health. What worries me the most, however, is a freshly minted suspicion that it is already over, that the deal already went down, but almost nobody actually noticed when it happened. I think these Bush folks may have successfully pulled it off right in front of our noses over the course of this past August. I think they may have actually broken reality, cobbling together a chaotic replacement, and I think I can back up that supposition all the way down the block and back again.

Bear with me...

More: http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/091907R.shtml

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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:12 PM
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1. I'm Disappointed.
I thought FOR CERTAIN this was going to be a taser thread and you were going to be welcomed to L Coyote's ignore list. :rofl:

Oh well. I'll read it later when I have time. :)
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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:13 PM
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5. You too?
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:28 PM
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17. I'm Recovering. But I still have these hallucinations.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 04:29 PM by L. Coyote
Will is on to something here and is trying to deal with it in a sane way. Not me. I just can't face the Bush's Non-Reality.

So, here is one of my recent hallucinations: "Gonzolies Adventures in Ronderland" or "Up is Down and Down is Up"

INTRO:

"Gonzo journalism" refers to when an author cannot remove himself from the subject he investigates,
often referring to a style of writing a story as perceived in the moment in the mind of the writer.
Hunter Thompson believed objectivity in journalism was pure myth.

When Boston Globe reporter Bill Cardoso read Hunter Thompson's "The Kentucky Derby is Decadent
and Depraved" he proclaimed "That is pure Gonzo!" Cardoso used the South Boston Irish slang "gonzo"
describing the last man standing after a drinking marathon.

"Gonzolies" is the English neologism describing the last man standing after a lying match.

---------------------------
THE TALE:

"Gonzolies Adventures in Ronderland" is a tale with twisted logic epitomizing the genre of nonsense literature. Gonzolies is just one of the characters in the fairy tale of current American politics. The Republican Party has fallen down a rabbit-hole into an hallucinatory realm populated by grotesque misstatements from wild, anthropomorphic creatures like Talking Point Cards, a rabbit-hole where beliefs transcend reality.

Gonzolies, a bored attorney looking for an adventure, starts a journey at Folly Bridge near Crawford, Texas, and ends up years later in the village of Gods Town. Gonzolies takes interest in a passing, ghostly super hero, a white knight muttering "Oh dear! Oh God! The Commies are coming!" He follows the knight down a deficit hole, and finds himself in a dreamlike world of magical beliefs where Gonzolies and R, the now aging super hero, grow to gigantic size.

Eventually Gonzolies joins Mad-Hater and his boss, March-to-War at a never-ending tea party of deficit spending, they go to a distant seashore and meet Mock Truth, and finally attend the Trial of "Critical Reason," the sole non-grotesque character in their adventure. Critical Reason has been accused of "disturbing truths." While Gonzolies prosecutes Critical Reason, he shrinks to a fraction of his inflated height, and the dream ends. Gonzolies wakes up at the picnic in Crawford, Texas.

Nonetheless, Gonzolies soon realizes that in Crawford up is still down and down is still up, and his new super hero, W, is enraptured by his own hallucinatory realm populated by wild, grotesque misstatements and talking points. Just when diminitive Gonzolies realizes the dream has not actually ended, he awakens again, and he realizes he was still at a lying contest and he was not the last man standing.

This time he has awakened in American politics, on the far side of Folly Bridge in Gods Town, where up is still down and down is up, and the lying contest goes on as W praises Gonzolies. Gonzolies wonders, "Am I still dreaming. How can I know if up is down and down is up?" He also wonders, "Am I still standing? Am I really Gonzolies, or is all this still just a dream in Ronderland?"
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bonito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:45 PM
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80. FUCK CLINTON ---NATER ROCKS!!!
:hi:
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obiwan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:02 AM
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101. Who the fuck is "Nater"?
Too bad spell check can't straighten out this person.
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bluescribbler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:13 AM
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110. I think he means
Swen Nater, formerly of the Los Angeles Lakers. :shrug:
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11 Bravo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:12 PM
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2. Damn I missed you!
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 04:14 PM by 11 Bravo
I would donate a nut to the charity of your choice to be able to write like that.

On edit: K&R
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XemaSab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:13 PM
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3. Is this the joke?
Donald Rumsfeld is giving the President his daily briefing. He concludes by saying: "Yesterday, three Brazilian soldiers were killed."

"OH NO!" the President exclaims. "That's terrible!"

His staff sits stunned at this display of emotion, nervously watching as the President sits, head in hands.

Finally, the President looks up and asks, "How many is a brazillion?"

:popcorn:
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gatorboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:14 PM
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6. *tasers XemaSab a brazillian times*
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 04:14 PM by gatorboy
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avrdream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:17 AM
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97. Ha! That's fantastic!
brazillion - - - - a gazillion bras? Oh no, couldn't be, cause Bush doesn't realize there are female soldiers over there.

Will, you're not crazy, mate.
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SharonRB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:13 PM
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130. I knew there was no way that joke wouldn't appear somewhere
in this thread.
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:13 PM
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4. I bet The Secret is on their mandatory video list. eom
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 04:14 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:57 PM
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33. It's on mine!
Oops; I must be a bushbot and not know it.... :sarcasm:


Oooga booga...

:evilgrin:
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:16 PM
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39. If you create your own version of reality maybe it can combat theirs??? Or does that
throw you into alternate universes? Hmmmmmmmmm... ;)
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lildreamer316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:27 PM
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42. See, that's kinda
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 05:31 PM by lildreamer316
my line of thinking. If THEY can do it; dammit! SO CAN I! :evilgrin:
P.S. Funny you should mention that. Was watching a program this morning about paralell universes on the Science Channel. Since they can't figure out the exact location of sub-atomic particles; they think they may be moving between universes. Therefore, all matter fundamentally exists in more than one universe; if you follow that theory. Very interesting possibilities from our point of view here, eh? :7
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:46 PM
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58. quantum physics is totally amazing. Is it that the smallest atom particle, that if it is obser
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 06:47 PM by OmmmSweetOmmm
is visible, and if it isn't being observed, it's not there? That sounds like what you're describing.

Also, just to think that atoms consist mainly of empty space and energy..it does make you wonder about the nature of reality and multiple universes.
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wrenny Donating Member (20 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 04:34 AM
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100. That's my theory
I swear I woke up the morning after the election in November of 2000 (who can forget that terrible, awful morning) and thought that I must have entered an alternate universe. There was simply no other explanation as to how * could have gotten the most votes.
Well, now I can think of another explanation of course (stolen election), but I still can't shake that feeling that this is all a parallel universe and Al Gore is still pres over in the universe I should be in!!
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Desert Liberal Donating Member (394 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:27 AM
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128. If only the Universal Gods would allow me
to drop into the parallel where Gore got the Presidency in 2000....
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kimmerspixelated Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:15 PM
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7. Excellent and kicked!
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Jacobin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:17 PM
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8. I'm surprised people haven't noticed the coup d'etat
pssst. It was about 7 years ago. Florida. Supreme Court appointing president, etc. Re-wind events slowly and it will come back to you.
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:22 PM
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13. That was the start of it, to be sure.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:04 AM
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102. Oh we noticed the bloodless coup in 2000 all right
I just wish I'd known about DU in those early dark days and nights. Be that as it may, by the time the Supreme Court made its decision I KNEW that I had just witnessed a coup d'etat in my own country, whether or not anyone in the media acknowledged it.
:scared:

And other people saw it too.

Hekate

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DS1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:18 PM
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9. They've got your face
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TomInTib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:37 PM
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22. Those are some great shots on your site.
I am going to email the link to myself so I can check them all out.

Have you published/licensed any of your work?
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TheUniverse Donating Member (954 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:19 PM
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10. Great Article Mr. Pitt.
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 04:27 PM by TheUniverse
Bush has probably been the most anti reality president ever. He is against reality when it comes to Saddam's supposed "role" in 9/11, the situation in New Orleans, the failure of the surge, and even evolution and global warming. He will change the numbers to support his reality such as saying violence between the same sect of Islam in Iraq doesn't count. If you question his made up world, some people will claim you are not being patriotic. Presidents can have their own opinions, but why do we allow this guy to live in his own reality?
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:20 PM
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11. Mr William Rivers Pitt...What the Fuck is Wrong with your Brain???
Insane??? Hardly my friend,,, Hardly...

Depressed Slightly...Maybe.... but not Insane...

If you wanna see Insanity...come with me to Level Three where the Planetary Realm is at....This where you will really get depressed while learning of the HUGH CHALLENGE in ACQUIRING GLOBAL PEACE(that hugh was m/s on purps btw)

Level 3 is where Logic, Reason, Sanity, Common Sense, Reality, etc etc reside and frolick

Come, we go drink...fuck this Insanity BS......its not us...its THEM
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Generic Other Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:30 PM
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19. level three of the planetary realm?
Can you drink there?

Please take me with you two. I'll buy the drinks. Proof I'm insane...
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:24 PM
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40. Come, we go visit Sanity...She is so LONESOME....cooped up in a GD Prison for all these Thousands of
Years/Centuries/Millennium

Come to a place where fun exists on a higher plane....and Sanity too...

I get the Pupu....ribs, steaks, Smoked Salmon, caviar, Moi, crab, you get the fine wine....
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:21 PM
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12. Go insane..
Once I had a little game
I liked to crawl back in my brain
I think you know the game I mean
Well I mean the game called 'go insane'
Oohooh
Now you should try this little game
Just close your eyes forget your name
Forget the world, forget the people
And we'll erect a different steeple
This little game is fun to do
Just close your eyes, I'm going too
And I'm right there, no way to lose
Release control, we're breaking through
Once I had a little game
I liked to crawl back in my brain
I think you know the game I mean
I mean the game called 'go insane'
Ooohooh

The Doors Go Insane
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Demeter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:22 PM
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14. Buck Up! It's Not Nice to Fool Mother Nature or Human Nature
and the punishment will be terrible for the reality-destroyers. I guarantee it. The trick is living long enough to see it happen, and working like mad to help.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:23 PM
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15. I do believe they said for us (the reality based community) to sit back
and watch them do that. Good piece. I'm mentally exhausted as well.
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:53 PM
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48. Yes they did
and yet we keep acting shocked, eh? Funny, we just can't quite believe them and frankly, with their history of lying every time their mouths are open, who can blame us, but that was one thing they told the truth on.
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:23 PM
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16. It doesn't take much to kill reality--just control the media. How else can we experience a reality
that we can't see for ourselves?

Doesn't sound far fetched at all. They want to turn the bottom 95% into helpless children, grasping at straws, and wholly dependent on the "grownups" to try and figure out what's real in our world.
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GeorgeGist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:29 PM
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18. That joke is old, Will
In the summer of 2002, after I had written an article in Esquire that the White House didn't like about Bush's former communications director, Karen Hughes, I had a meeting with a senior adviser to Bush. He expressed the White House's displeasure, and then he told me something that at the time I didn't fully comprehend -- but which I now believe gets to the very heart of the Bush presidency.

The aide said that guys like me were "in what we call the reality-based community," which he defined as people who "believe that solutions emerge from your judicious study of discernible reality." I nodded and murmured something about enlightenment principles and empiricism. He cut me off. "That's not the way the world really works anymore," he continued. "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." http://www.ronsuskind.com/articles/000106.html
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Felinity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:42 PM
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24. The War on Drugs and the War on Terror are so 20th century

It's the War on Reality; finally a war they can win.

Please pass the Kool-Aid.

:spray:
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:13 PM
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38. Yes, "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality."n/t
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radiclib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:30 PM
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43. Insanity, anyone?
Can anyone doubt that those were the ravings of a dangerous lunatic? I've always suspected it was Cheney--Dr. Evil himself. Any other guesses, anyone?
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KatyaR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:47 PM
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59. I swear to god, every time I read that story, I can't decide whether
to be sad or angry--I think both. Why the hell are we letting this happen to our country? :mad:

Sigh--I was actually hoping for the brazillion joke. It would have been a welcome break.

Keep on keepin' on, Will . . . .
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:32 PM
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66. it's a bit further up
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 07:32 PM by CGowen
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wiggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:57 AM
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129. This should have scared the bejeesus out of the nation and should have been
brought up by pundits and dc dems each time faced with a new outrage (weekly)
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Cookie wookie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:31 PM
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20. self-delete
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 04:33 PM by Cookie wookie
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Toots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:33 PM
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21. Why are you posting your left wing dribble on our Patriotic Conservative board?
Are you one of those that doesn't like our Glorious "Decider"????:argh:
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sinkingfeeling Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:38 PM
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23. Excellent, Will. Because I feel the same way, I long to run away from the USA to a place
where reality is clearly seen by the population. Any ideas?
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Disturbed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:48 PM
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28. I felt exactly that way during the Nixon Regime.
There were two reality streams. I was extremely confused. I couldn't reconcile what was real. Was my view of reality a serious delusion or were there in fact two dimensions occurring at the same time? I decided that indeed there were two separate realities occurring & that mine was as valid as the one that was being programmed by the Nixon Regime blasting in the Media streams. This has not changed. It has been elevated to an Art Form.
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LuckyLib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:49 PM
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133. And Nixon and the boys were amateurs compared to the * clowns.
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:03 PM
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83. I want to go with y'all.
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Kat 333 Donating Member (312 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:56 PM
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94. Is there room ... on your broom ?
K & R
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southerncrone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:14 PM
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138. Sure! I've been saving that "eye of newt" for just such an occasion!
;)
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:45 PM
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25. Fortunately we're starting to see a wave of former Bush loyalists coming out..
and warning the world that Bush's reality is NOT reality at all. Greenspan was just the latest.

That gives me a tiny sliver of hope that things might be fixable after (if) Bush is finally gone.
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zabet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:45 PM
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26. An insane person
never questions their own sanity.
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yellerpup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:46 PM
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27. You make me want to stand up and cheer
because you tell the truth. The truth, unfortunately, makes me want to sit down and cry.
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pwb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:49 PM
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29. Good to see you back Will.
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Richard Steele Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:49 PM
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30. K&R
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Fire Walk With Me Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:49 PM
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31. "They want to destroy reality, rebuild it according to their own blueprint..."
Considering that they've managed to get away with just about everything that they've done...it works.

And we're sitting here paying them for doing it.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:46 AM
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105. And that blueprint isn't new. It's called feudalism.
They want a plutocracy in which everyone is owned by a rich white male, who will swear fealty to a somewhat richer white male. They want to control the horizontal, the vertical, and the supply of food, water, energy and entertainment.

They want to sell us a nominally Christian moral code that doesn't apply to them. They want the droit de seigneur. They want the harem. They want the plantation, and they want to will all this to their own male offspring. Their daughters they will trade to other rich old white men of their class. They want you to work to enrich them six-and-a-half days a week, or to die in their wars on each other. They've got theirs, Jack, and they'll have yours, too.

Most of all they require your silence. Do not question their schemes, or they will make you disappear.
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:54 PM
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32. Remember, it's not paranoia if...
they really are out to get you. :tinfoilhat:
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:58 PM
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34. Being followed does not mean you are paranoid. You could be a leader!
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 04:59 PM
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35. Welcome to the real world, Will Pitt.
At least we still have vodka to fall back (down?) on.
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shaniqua6392 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:05 PM
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36. I have had headaches and intestinal problems for 6 1/2 years.
Do you think there could be a connection???? :crazy: LOL. Great writing as usual. Thanks for sharing!!
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hfojvt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:09 PM
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37. not sure if you will like this reference, but you reminded me of something
The conclusion of Dean Koontz's "Shadowfires". In that book a realtor and his fiancee are being chased by a mad scientist who experimented on himself and by a corrupt NSA agent. The realtor says to the NSA agent: "He didn't like the world the way he found it, so he set out to make it conform to his own twisted expectations. But instead of making a paradise for himself, he made a living hell. It's what you'll make for yourself, given time."

Of course, in all cases, it is a living hell that involves many other people - the people they torture, threaten, and kill to get their way. They, however, only do it on the individual level, not on the national or world level.
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otherlander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:26 PM
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41. You're not insane.
My right foot used to tell me that I was insane, but I never paid much attention to it, and now it simply tells me that I am _ns__e. Soon it shall only tell me that I am _n____, and then it shall tell me nothing at all.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:35 PM
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44. You aren't insane
I thought I was too when I was beginning to see this. I'd read the article about "reality based thinking", but I didn't think they could do it.

Over the years though...something intruded on my thought process.

"Why did people think that torture was ok?"

There were other thoughts, of course...but that was the one that began to bother me.

I started looking at people...REALLY looking. "Why am I not like them?"

For awhile, I thought I was losing it. God knows I had enough stress for that...but I realized something- the world had changed, but I hadn't assimilated the change.

I was not insane...and I was not imagining this.

Bushco had broken the old "reality" and replaced it with theirs.

The problem is, now what?
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tavalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:49 PM
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45. Once again you've proven we are twins
Albeit, born about a decade apart, but twins nonetheless. I've been seeing this for a bit now. Of course, it may just be that I need to up my crazy meds. Honestly, though, I think it's that we've taken the red pill when most have happily chosen the blue pill.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:49 PM
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46. MIHOP or LIHOP is a means to an end you know. So do you get that yet? nt
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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 05:52 PM
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47. Twain wrote ...
"When we remember we are all mad, the mysteries disappear and life stands explained"
- Notebook, 1898
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:05 PM
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49. What you write here reminds me of that very scary quote about how
"we're an empire now."

Found it, and more:

As an unnamed Bush official told reporter Ron Suskind, "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality--judiciously, as you will--we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors...and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." For those who didn't like it, another Bush adviser explained, "Let me clue you in. We don't care. You see, you're outnumbered two to one by folks in the big, wide middle of America, busy working people who don't read the New York Times or Washington Post or the LA Times."

http://www.thenation.com/doc/20050509/alterman

The part that hurts the most, Will, from your piece is the repeated phrase "...and they got away with it."

They have wrecked our country. One should always ask oneself: "who benefits?" in connection with any skullduggery like what we've witnessed over the past six-and-a-half years. Now that these bastards have wrecked our Constitution and our country, they're well on their way to wrecking the rest of the world. Who benefits, in THAT case? Maybe the CRAPture and Gung-ho Armageddon people? And once we nuke Iran and bring on that last holocaust and all we get after that is a smoldering ember of a planet with a lot of dead strewn all over everywhere, who benefits then? And frankly, I don't expect any Magic Fix-It Jesus to arrive on some flaming chariot at that point. I think it'll only be smoldering embers and the approaching darkness. Besides, the Jesus I grew believing in - taught that man does NOT, cannot, and WILL NOT force the Hand of God. Which I think is what these schmucks are trying to do - force the Hand of God.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:10 PM
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50. The anti-christ has brought about the anti-reality.
You know where I stand on that one-
"Mission Accomplished" speech?
Quoting Isaiah 61 and all?
Revelation 13.

Make no mistake- he IS the first beast.
And I am not insane.
Buckle up- it gets worse from here.

BHN
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:13 PM
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51. You come closer every day to the truth of things, Will. Consider this statement of yours:
They want to destroy reality, rebuild it according to their own blueprint, so the sum and substance of this new reality will accept as axiomatic the idea that lying, stealing and wholesale carnage are badges of integrity and moral clarity.

Tell me how this differs from Nazi Goals one iota? Oh yes, the individual deeds are different but the larger dynamic is REAL and it is HAPPENING.

Please click on my signature line link and read the book that is there. We are dealing with a mentality which goes back to the beginning of time, and Nazis and Bushies are only it's latest incarnation.

And you may well say that, "Oh, it's only tom_paine and his usual Bush=Hitler hyperbole."

But just consider where we started back in 2001. I was just about where I am now, but more hopeful that I was wrong. You were all the way on the other side of things, and I was a crazy tinfoil-wearing conspiracist.

I haven't moved since 2001 very much at all, except for brief moments when I allowed my hope to overwhelm my good sense (and yet still one day I pray for a hope which is realistic and supported by reality). But now you see the danger, existant even in the BEST CASE SCENARIO (that this is just another swing of the pendulum, a standard swing of American Poitics that will right itself) that America can never be the same at the very least, can never be truly free again in the middle case, and is heading for something new and horrific in the worst case and most likely scenario.

Go back and look at the italicized statement of yours and see the truth of it as it applies to both Bushies and Nazis.

Yes, Nazi 1938-1945 will be different than Imperial Amerikan 1938-1945, coming soon I think, but we may get a break if the Bushies decide to let a Democrat warm the throne for four years before taking it back (I just can't see them doing that).

And yes, there is still hope that I am wrong. But it dwindles every day.

Read the book at my siglink and see how what the Nazis were and what our Bushies are...is of the same mental family, without question.

I am not trying to convince you of anything, nor do I wish you to start writing about this (probably a good way to get fired, even though Bush and Hitler have tremendous similarities on any number of fronts).

But I just want you to understand in what direction you are moving, and that maybe the "crazies" comparing Bush to Hitler are no crazy than they were in 1928-1936, when noticing the original Hitler was a monster.
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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:43 PM
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57. The Authoritarians
One of the finest books I've read in quite some time. I have forwarded the link to almost everyone I know.

I don't know of a better piece of writing that can help right the boat of an open-minded person just trying to make sense of it all.
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:14 PM
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64. I studied too much WWII in my youth
It was hard not to see the similarities...as much as I didn't want to. Who wants to know that you are ruled by a monster?
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hunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:15 PM
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52. Mother Nature doesn't care what people think.
Or what they say.

Eventually the storms come, the seas rise, and the accounting tricks fail.

For all their evil, the Bush Neocons will have won themselves little more than a clenched fist full of wet salty sand.

Everything in their manufactured reality is a delusion, all their wealth and power will be nothing.

The empire will fall.

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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:28 PM
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53. Bush's "Personal God" speaks through wires into his ear! You thought he wouldn't
listen to what whatever the F**k God "he happened to think" was speaking to Him? :eyes:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:30 PM
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54. Excellent
K & R
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blues90 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:33 PM
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55.  Over the past 7 years I have as many , watched this country turn
One odd thing that I can't seem to get out of my mind and it continues to pick at me is this .

I have to question after 9/11 why the airlines are the prime focus of almost all security , that is if you suspend the campaign trail and free speech zones for a moment .

It stands to reason in just this issue alone that it is highly unlikely that aircraft would be used for another attack so I have to ask , is this a test , a test of how far people will go and be allowed to be stripped down and controlled in mass .

So far if this is a test it has worked out very well , people were told no lighters because of a shoe bomber and then even though the liquid panic was proven to be false security easily had people freely toss out all items rendered dangerous as possible explosives , and people did so .

In my mind I can only conclude this is a test with no other purpose based on what was once reality turned into willfull crowd control .

What is the next measure of applied safety , a requirement that forces all passengers to take a little pill that puts them to sleep for the duration of the trip ?
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Hydra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:20 PM
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65. It was so elegant
They came up with possible terrorist acts, and staged fake ones to justify the new regulations.

Shoe bomber = shoe x-rays
(shoe bomber was a dud- he supposedly had C4 in his shoes, and was lighting it with a fuse. C4 detonates with electricity. He should have used his IPOD)

Mixing chemicals on a plane = nothing more than 3 ounces!
(Also debunked)

Nail clippers as a weapon? Please...

As you say, not much outcry. A few grumblings...but people shout me down for telling them these events were fakes.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:36 PM
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56. Cosmic bipolar disorder has me all dizzy.
Back in the 80's, during Iran-Contra, this sort of insanity was ongoing already, albeit on a smaller scale.
It was back then I concluded the world was crazy, and also we were going backwards in a metaphorical sense.

Cosmologically, there actually is a backwards motion, precession. The direction the axis of rotation points in fixed space makes one backwards revolution about every 26,000 years. So, I determined this amount, and called it "cosmic bipolar disorder quantified" and wrote a tongue-in-cheek political manifest called "negative unit of daily equatorial advance." Knowing how far I needed to move over each day to not fall backward with the rest of the world was a small comfort of rationality. More importantly, knowing you are the sane one allows quantification of how far we have fallen back over these long years since we were first introduced to "the Enterprise" and "Lake Resources" and the Secret Government.
If moving over 13 feet a day doesn't make you feel better, :rofl:

watch this instead: The Secret Government: The Constitution in Crisis, by Bill Moyers
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3505348655137118430


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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:49 PM
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60. What's "Lake Resources"? n/t
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:07 PM
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62. A Shadowy Black Ops entity involved in the Iran-Contra scandal
Lake Resources came to light as part of the money trail when Reagan was selling arms to terrorists.

Khashoggi depositing $15 million to Lake Resources account May 14, Lake Resources transfers $6.5 million to C.I.A. Swiss account on May 15, C.I.A. certifies availability of funds to DoD, DoD ships over 500 TOW's and HAWK spare parts May 16 and 19, Southern Air Transport flies TOW's and HAWK spares to Israel on May 23 and 24, HAWK spares arrives in Tehran with McFarlane on May 25, second aircraft with additional HAWK spare parts is turned back in midflight when no hostages are released (May 25), Iran transfers $8 million to Swiss account in July and August in payment against goods received, additional HAWK spares delivered to Iran Aug. 3, Ghorbanifar transfers funds to Israeli account controlled by Nir, Nir transfers funds to Lake Resources account, Ghorbanifar authorized Khashoggi to expose $3 million against checks held on July 24, Ghorbanifar authorizes Khashoggi to expose additional $5 million in August, by August, Khashoggi has been repaid out of Lake Resources account $8 million of the $15 million loaned.

Helping terrorist acquire weapons is complicated! An additional $8.5 million remains unaccounted for.

There's also the $10 million Ollie North sent to the wrong Swiss Bank account (don't hire low-IQ dyslexics to handle millions). Complications, complications.

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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:08 PM
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70. Thank you Liberty Louis L'amour Coyote
That should send me off an endless research venture! (more obsession).
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:41 PM
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74. I like Liberty, but it is Laughing Coyote
usually at the moon :rofl:
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Horseradish Donating Member (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:02 PM
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76. Launching at the Moon Coyote ...
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 09:03 PM by Horseradish
But, seriously. I'm glad to hear of "Laughing" Coyote ... I just love guessing about abbreviations and such ...

We gotta laugh a little, right?
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 06:53 PM
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61. I've been saying this (although far less eloquently)
since the 2000 election campaign
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warrior1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:11 PM
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63. I'm tired
and sore, but not giving up.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:37 PM
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67. Reality is an obstacle to hallucination
I used to have a license plate holder that said

"I brake for hallucinations"

:hi: r and k
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:55 PM
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68. Perhaps not clinically, but your ability to think a clear thought has drowned in all the verbosity.
WTF are you rambling about? Joke? You thought that was a joke? WTF???
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JuniperLea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:59 PM
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69. Welcome to Bizarro World
The Will Pitt of the realm of the bizarre no doubt writes in quatrains and haiku for fear of being put to death by soldiers dressed as cards wielding sharply honed flamingos. You see, he was truly crazy, and now reality is freaking him out.

Keep thinking along those lines though! We have to push past the sticky part of the envelope in order to find a solution to this nightmare.

Relax, have a cold one...



Let your mind wander freely... I'll do the serious worrying while you come up with a good idea... I'm so tired.




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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:20 PM
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71. Don't worry, there's nothing wrong with your set.
The joke you're talking about was pulled off six years ago but most of us didn't know it was a joke.

You'll feel much better once you admit that the guys at the top are not nice guys and they are doing not nice things. :shrug:
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Seabiscuit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:39 PM
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72. It would be nice if there was a point to this story
It's getting to the point that Pitt threads remind me of a quote from Steve Martin's character to John Candy's character in "Planes, Trains and Automobiles":

"Honey, I'd like you to meet Del Griffith, he's got some amusing anecodotes for you. Oh and here's a gun so you can blow your brains out. You'll thank me for it." I could tolerate any insurance seminar. For days I could sit there and listen to them go on and on with a big smile on my face. They'd say, "How can you stand it?" I'd say, "'Cause I've been with Del Griffith. I can take ANYTHING." You know what they'd say? They'd say, "I know what you mean. The shower curtain ring guy. Woah." It's like going on a date with a Chatty Cathy doll. I expect you have a little string on your chest, you know, that I pull out and have to snap back. Except I wouldn't pull it out and snap it back - you would. Agh! Agh! Agh! Agh! And by the way, you know, when you're telling these little stories? Here's a good idea - have a POINT. It makes it SO much more interesting for the listener!"
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:39 PM
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73. Okay Will, here's a cure. Start a new gold-standard award, a la the Darwin Awards
for politicians who have removed themselves from Consensual Reality.

The Darwin Awards go to those who, through blunders of unimaginable stupidity, remove themselves from the human gene pool.

The Insanity Awards (or something more creative, you decide) can go to politicos who,
through means of communication, most evidence departure from consensual reality.

This might just be enough fun for an annual cure, by providing that extra assurance that you are the sane one

And, it will be a good place to practice crafted verbosity while disparaging political idiocies of the highest order.
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Gonzo Gardener Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:47 PM
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75. Insane? No. You need to loosen your ball cap, or better yet...
buy the latest in critical thinking caps on Ebay...

The exterior of the cap is 100% aluminum
lined with 100% wool felt.
If the aluminum is penetrated the felt will fool them into thinking you're a sheep. Baaaaaaaaa

:tinfoilhat:



Your writing runs parallel to my thoughts at times. This was one of those times.

I've been having an out of body experience since 12/12/2000.

:crazy:
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:05 PM
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77. ==== ---------- * WHEN* have you told ANYthing to yourself & nobody else?!1 n/t
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lips Donating Member (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:12 PM
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78. That, sir, was an inferno...
Keeping one's nose to the ground during these absurd times is conducive to mental instability. Reminds me of a Cheech and Chong skit... the shirt off my back to those who continue to produce descriptions of the way CheneyCo's shit tastes.

:freak: Keep cracking dem nuts folks.
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UTUSN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:33 PM
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79. I don't get to use this enough

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Ilsa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:53 PM
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81. Acknowledgement that you could be insane means you probably are not.
So, I'll totally buy the concept that Bushco is out to change reality. I take Lexapro for the side effects.

Great article, as usual, Mr. Pitt.
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puebloknot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:00 PM
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82. "It's no measure of health ...
... to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society."

~~Krishnamurti
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BlueCollar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:07 PM
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84. As bad as that chaotically crossbred joke/rant/mantra thing is,
Dammit Will...

Welcome back...


This is why the DU is the haven of intellectual independents...

I've been a member since the inception and am so glad you are back
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Major Hogwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:16 PM
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85. Hang in there, Will.
We'll make it out of this mess if it kills us.

I know that doesn't sound like it makes any sense, but we are fighting for our very lives here.
And just like Clint Eastwood said in that movie -

"Now remember, things look bad and it looks like you're not gonna make it, then you gotta get mean. I mean plumb, mad-dog mean. 'Cause if you lose your head and you give up then you neither live nor win. That's just the way it is."


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Zodiak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:59 PM
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90. The Outlaw Josie Wales
my favorite western.
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omega minimo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:19 PM
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86. here's a flaccid kick for ya
:evilgrin:
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:30 PM
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87. Scary,isn't it.
What's next on their agenda,nuclear holocaust?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:53 PM
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88. Ouch. K&R
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:55 PM
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89. the Yanks will do that to a man. nt.
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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:03 PM
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91. Shit, Will, I thought that from Day 1 with bush....lol

Because you're a journalist, often I'm sure that you want to put on a layer of neutrality so that you can report accurately. You're a professional, so you have to have a basis for your arguments. Not me....I have a wife and three kids (two kids when bush was first elected). I don't have the reasoned well out thought process and determination that you have. If you have a wife and kids, when a bush gets elected - it's personal. His father proved before that a bush administration is hell for working families.

I guess you have more faith in your fellow man than I do. For me it's no longer hard for me to believe that certain people will do anything for power and money, and have no redeemable qualities. I lost that innocence about 10 years ago through some really bad experiences. You could just tell that him and Cheney were evil fucks. Plain and simple...they represent pure unadulterated avarice. Honestly I had no real research or foundation to lay it on other than just listening to them.
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Crewleader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:06 PM
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92. It's been a hell of a ride watching what they get away with William
you described the insanity well...emailed everyone friend... :hi:
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:11 PM
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93. its going to be funny
we see how people react in third world every day, how they survive from day to day. Americans look and shake their head and cannot comprehend. It will be interesting as america turns more and more into a third world country how these people react. Will they know what self preservation is? will they know how to survive when they cannot find food? after all the supermarkets are raided of course. How will they feel when the jackboots start killing people in front of them for political beliefs, sexual orientation, color and financial status. I fear for america turning into that but I wait for the reality check to hit americans that yes we are not invincible.
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jus_the_facts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:20 AM
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96. Folks that were in New Orleans after Katrina can comprehend what it's like....
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 12:24 AM by jus_the_facts
...and it wasn't very funny at all. :(
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:39 AM
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99. i hear you
you're right on that account and i was using funny as dark humor, I was basically stating for the majority of middle america they never really experiance what living without all the man made comforts that are provided and purchased, alot of people come from suburbs or from cities and collapse would leave alot scratching their heads wondering what to do. I did not mean to make light of the situation or insult the people still currently living the tragedy of katrina.
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havocmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:19 AM
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95. Looking for a " Hi, I'm Cassandra" tee shirt myself
Been hollering a warning for over 25 years. The oligarchy is coming! The oligarchy is coming! People are just now starting to hear, but most try not to...
deal with reality.

Speak rock solid truth and you get written off as a crackpot. The bad guys count on the fact that they are SO bad, nobody can believe how bad they are. Well, maybe some do see how bad they are, but they are so few, they get written off as being insane by the delusional majority. THAT is a reality most have missed altogether. So much more comfortable to pass tinfoil to those who see beyond arm's length. So much more comfortable to live in a warm delusion than face the reality that America has slipped through our soft fingers.

Sanity is a cold, painful place, Mr. Pitt. It's damned lonely and seriously uncomfortable. The ability to deal with reality is rare, and very tiring.

Rest when you can. Live to keep fighting blindness.

Stay in the fight. It's really all we have that they can't take away from us. Stay in the fight.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:26 AM
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98. You know they only change PERCEPTION of reality.
If you skip a necessary word, it can drive you mad. Write it right.

If a great love enjoins you in a game you detest, can't you make the best of it?

So, your parents bore you into a bonkers bankers' BFEE world.

Enjoy what you can.

But, do not confuse the game or its stupid rules with reality itself.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:39 AM
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104. The problem is that social reality is really just a set of shared perceptions
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 05:43 AM by GliderGuider
They may not be able to alter physical reality, transmuting gold into lead or repealing the law of gravity for example, but social reality is a much different beast. It is a web of shared beliefs, shared values, shared understandings of appropriate action and reaction. It is an internally generated system, supported much more by consensus than by any physical props. Such structures are highly mutable, and it looks as though someone may have found the Philosopher's Stone.
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Festivito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 11:36 AM
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142. ,or that democracy runs on shared social perceptions.
And, believing democracy's power, vested in social reality, is perfect, can lead to madness,

madness in the form of anger, madness in the form of insanity.

Our nation is more lost than well, has been so since 2000.

Our democratic-republic, our republican-democracy, fails us -- not reality.

The Philosopher's stone, like all magic tricks, requires our suspension of our reality.

(Sorry if I'm not clear. My job runs me ragged, my car was just hit, a particular job requires extraordinary attention to potentially save lives, my sink is starting new life forms, and I can't even think of my pressing financial debacle.)
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:31 AM
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103. What manner of alchemy has been wrought on the American noosphere?
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 05:45 AM by GliderGuider
I always thought the WH aide that Suskind quoted was speaking metaphorically. I always figured the only perception of reality they were changing was their own, that they were drunk on hubris to the point that they claimed to believe such a preposterous idea, but that it was really just a metaphor for their tight control over "the message".

Now when I see it written out for me by someone on this side of the WH fence, I am bowled over by the core of truth in the idea. How else does one explain both the complacence and complaisance of an entire population in the face of a value system that is so utterly antithetical to the proclaimed foundational beliefs of your society? Even as popular support for their actions dwindles, the root transformation shows little sign of being reversed, and their confidence in their impunity implies that they truly believe "resistance is futile".

What manner of alchemy has been wrought on the American noosphere? And by whom? It all seems much too coherent, to structured, too deliberate to have been a happy accident. And it's surely too complex and subtle an undertaking for any of the visible players to have had more than cameo roles in its implementation.

Thanks for elucidating your perceptions so clearly, Will. I don't think you're even the slightest bit nuts. I also think it's long past time to be afraid. In the final words of Dr. David Kelly, "There are many dark actors, playing games."
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:08 AM
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106. The Media and Mind Control dates back to the post-WWII period and the leftist purge of Hollywood
better known as the McCarthy era. Paranoid delusions of pinkos worked their magic then, thanks to "folks" like zealot Richard Nixon and undercover agent Ronald Reagan, cleansing the media of liberals. Since that time, the media has been an important propaganda tool of business and politics.

Now, a democratic revolution in media, the internet and accessiblility of production electronics, is altering that realm. Competition of ideas is on the rise, and the paranoid right is on the defensive.

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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:22 AM
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107. I agree, but the degree of the change this time is astonishing
There have been various perception control mechanisms around even longer than that. Propaganda has a long and complex history, and we can follow its various threads through things like the Powell Memorandum and the recruitment of the right-wing religious base. The thing that strikes me now is that the change seems less quantitative (i.e. more and better spin and propaganda) and more qualitative. The fabric of the social consensus seems to have been altered so broadly and comprehensively as to have created the "replacement reality" that Will and others have sensed.

This is not your grandfather's Military-Industrial Complex. Even though the goals are the same as they were in Eisenhower's day there seems to have been a fruition. It feels more like the Matrix than a duck-and-cover drill.

I just picked up Naomi Klein's "Shock Doctrine" last weekend. I expect it will shed some more light on these shenanigans.
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:37 AM
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112. Have you watched the film Stupidity, w/ Chomski, Suzuki, et.al... even Bush.
It sheds some light on current culture. It was Marx or Lenin that called stupidity
the third most important force in human history, I learned. This phenomena has 2 sides.

One aspect of what is going on is control. The other is the masses who are controlled!
Undoing the controls means the masses need to overcome, among other things, a culture of stupidity.
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:06 AM
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115. Noticed what's happened to the American education system? Stupidity can be simulated by ignorance.
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 09:06 AM by GliderGuider
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:28 AM
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119. In my college algebra classes, I had students who did not understand fractions!
It was a real challenge to bring them up to speed in one semester, but it can be done.
Adults can learn a lot quickly, even if they learned almost nothing during 12 years in school.
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FlaGranny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:46 AM
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108. This sounds much like
a scifi story I read long, long ago. Is it real?

Oh my god. What IS real?

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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:01 AM
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109. I'll bear with you, WIll.
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 08:10 AM by blackops
Unfortunately, what you speak of has come true. There's no other way to explain it. It's ideologically-motivated terrorism by the most depraved minds. It's like staring into the Abyss, knowing the horror below will inevitably rise to the surface and that escape will not be possible.

I only wish it was a bad dream. But I'm awake now, and the dream continues...

"Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them together again in shapes of your own choosing." - O'Brien, 1984
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:29 AM
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111. "Power is tearing human minds apart and putting them together again in shapes of your own choosing."
Gee, that sounds a lot like shock therapy and MK-ULTRA...

http://www.naomiklein.org/shock-doctrine
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OnyxCollie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:12 AM
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116. "Power is fear and humiliation.
For without that, you cannot be sure." -O'Brien, 1984

See: Jose Padilla
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:43 AM
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113. I'm with ya, Will
I have been saying the same thing for quite some time - but I never thought of it as a joke. So join me in the tiny minority of the reality-based world. If you have gone insane, then welcome to the funny farm.

I have a theory of sorts on this as well.

There is a vast portion of humanity that is raised from childhood to suspend reason and accept a wide variety of fantastic assertions "on faith." The human brain continues to develop for some 20+ years after birth. Much of the reasoning power, the critical thinking skills, the logical analysis capabilities, develop during that time. When the answer to the incessant childish question of "but why, mommie?" is mostly either "because I said so" or "god moves in mysterious ways" one can understand how that developing brain that had so much potential can be short-circuited and fail to achieve that potential.

By indoctrinating people to accept the concept that anything is possible (dead people can come back to life, people can walk on water, the world rides on the back of a turtle...) we craft brains that just don't work right. They accept "up is down" and "black is white" as readily as they accept the image of the Virgin Mary on a piece of toast. There is no reasoning with them. They do not grasp the concept of actual, provable facts. They think that "facts" are whatever you say emphatically they are. They don't need to actually hear god or someone's german shepherd whisper to them to believe something. They just need to decide it is so. Or be told it is so. They can wake up one morning and be told god is riding on a comet and they all need to commit suicide to go join him, and that becomes truth.

I am not blaming all the lunacy on religious teaching. No, that would be too easy. The very existence of so many different religions makes it clear that this surreal worldview is a likely condition. There is a chicken-and-egg issue; do people invent religions to fill the void of lack of understanding of the facts, or do they disregard the need to understand facts because it is easier to take nonsense "on faith?"

As far as we know, humans, with their advanced cognitive abilities, are the only animals that make up so much shit. We don't know that chimps and dolphins and african grey parrots have no imagination, but we tend to assume it. Might the song of the grey whales actually be a creation myth, passed along from generation to generation with embellishments? I have read several speculations that our pets view us as some sort of gods; that they believe we can do "magic." Perhaps that is so. They seem to expect us to do whatever they desire, without questioning its feasibility. It appears anecdotally that many domesticated animals can be trained to accept whatever appalling conditions their masters inflict on them. They just take it "on faith" that they will be fed; they don't run away and they come back for more after being abused. But do they think up a religion to go along with this, or just take life minute-by-minute and accept whatever occurs as the new reality? And whichever it is, are there not many humans with the same mindset?

Somewhere in the development of that powerful supercomputer that is the human brain, it is clearly possible to take a fork in the road and either subscribe to Heinlein's credo* or go with Lewis Carroll through the looking glass. In my opinion, more do the latter than the former. Oh, a lot retain a semblance of normalcy in day-to-day activities; they don't suspend all reality; they do fill up their gas tank rather than just pray not to get stranded. But in all too many crucial areas, they are willing to just trust. But those are the benign ones. Another group becomes convinced in the Orwellian model, that truth is what you say it is. And we allowed group two to put group three in charge of this country.


*
What are the facts?

Again and again and again -- what are the facts?

Shun wishful thinking, ignore divine revelation, forget what "the stars foretell," avoid opinion, care not what the neighbors think, never mind the unguessable "verdict of history" -- what are the facts, and to how many decimal places?

You pilot always into an unknown future; facts are your single clue.

Get the facts!

-- Robert A. Heinlein, Notebooks of Lazarus Long, 1973
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:04 AM
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114. Nice. You might try reading "The Spirit in the Gene" by Reg Morrison.
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 09:05 AM by GliderGuider
Morrison addresses the evolutionary purpose of faith and unreason. He describes how such ideation sneaks into our logical left brain across the corpus callosum, so silently that it doesn't intrude on the flow of conscious thought, and takes up residence without announcing its nature or provenance.

One of the main evolutionary purposes of such irrationality, in Morrison's opinion, is to enable our continuing reproduction even though we have developed reason and self-awareness. His position is that if we had logical control over our reproductive decisions too many of us would decide that reproducing was not in our best interests and would decline to do it, thereby crashing the species.

Unfortunately as we've all seen, unreason infects our decision-making abilities far beyond the question of "one kid or seven?"
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:32 AM
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122. Interesting. I'll take a look at it.
My own view, without and scientific foundation, is that it is more easily explained - not as having an evolutionary "purpose" but more simply as an abberation; a byproduct of the advanced cognitive capability.

We as a species developed sufficient brainpower to invent technology and support population growth beyond reason. The ability to discern "truth" was an untended casualty. Survival in nature would require knowing to run after food and away from predators. No relying on "faith" or the "great spirit." Those who adopted the surreal worldview would fail. But that same tendency that is ascribed to our pets to "believe" in the supernatural is probably latent in all brains. In the case of pets, their reliance on us allows them to get (or stay) stupid. In the case of people, its our own technology. Someone who suspends all reason and tries to define their own reality would not last long on the savanna. What, they gonna tell the mother cheetah that sees them as dinner to put on a burkha?




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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:47 PM
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132. Interestingly, Heinlein's quote (an excellent choice) does not apply except in Free Countries
How does one acquire reliable fact, in a Tyrannized Nation suffused with lies, disinfoormation, and misinformation, inhabited by a populace who is mostly ready for slavery, if it can just be repackaged and rebranded to get rid of the old term "slavery" which has bad PR-associations?

I only ask, because for an Amerikan in 2007, or a German in 1937, this is perhaps one of the biggest barriers to getting the facts: {b]That our respective mation's are now pretty much One Big Lie.

How do you find the cold, hard provable facts when little to no infrastructure exists to disseminate them?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:00 PM
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139. well there's the rub
Fixing the broken government starts with getting a new watchdog. How can you know thieves are robbing you blind if the dog won't bark?

See some of my rantings on the topic on my Algae Awards website (link below).
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NoFederales Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:23 AM
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117. "...[T]his barking madman no longer able to recognize reality...", now I get it.
I used to console myself that I was "somehow" a voice of conscience in the workplace, that these last few worst years of my life weren't rhetorical gasps, that I was a smart guy, and people would finally appreciate the voice of reason. Ostracized by dent of an unrelenting grasp on the horrors occurring with the "old" reality, my interest is fading into how the extinction of my kind will proceed. The impulse to circle the wagons and start focusing on targets is waning with every fucking shilled statement that the political animals make, and that their sycophants breathe so laboriously.

I truly hope the broken reality of our time does not become the dancing shadows of fools thrown by the firelight on the cavern walls, but my colleagues and acquaintances seem matter of factly to accept the revisionist realities. I am not a barking madman, just an old guy getting weary from the strain of pushing the truth up and down the old hillside. In the end, whose perception of crazy really will matter, but will anyone remember the difference?

NoFederales
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thereismore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:23 AM
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118. Dear Will, from the paragraph below I get the echo of another great, sad American: EA Poe:
"It must be clearly understood, however, that I do not discount the very real possibility that I have, finally and for all time, gone insane because of all this. My theory is not proven beyond doubt; my suspicions grow stronger by the hour, but I could simply be this barking madman no longer able to recognize reality even when it is staring me in the eye. I'm pretty sure of my footing, but the truth is that if I did go over the high side somewhere along the line, I'd be the last person to figure that out."
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gtar100 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:29 AM
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120. They haven't gotten away with it - it's not over
It's so sad that it has to get so bad, but there are a lot of really stupid people out there. We are all in this together, included are the Bush and Cheney families. They too will come around but they have a long, sorry path ahead for themselves.

Reality wins every time. Every time.
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ananda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:31 AM
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121. Some of us were noticing from the beginning.
nt
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rudy23 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:38 AM
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123. Come down to New Orleans if you want to see a reality that's been denied
And you have to think----is it really feasible that a sitting president was OBLIVIOUS to the largest natural disaster to ever hit his country?

No, they're trying to skew reality so that the federal government isn't financially and politically responsible for billions of dollars of damage and thousands of lives lost.

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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:56 PM
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135. Maybe you can shed some light, Rudy, on the 3,400 dead the Bushies disappeared
As usual, CNN did one tiny follow-up story about eight months after Katrina, and then never mentioned it again.

As we all know, the "death toll" from Katrina was lower than 9/11 (MISSION ACCOMPLISHED, BUSHIES), but what most don't know is that 3,400 are "missing" and will continue to be so until the end of time.

My assumption is that it is now so easy to get away with malfesance and lies, especially when like Goebbels said, "All the apparatus of the State is at (Bushies') disposal." my assumption is that those 3,400, being poor and Black, even if all of their families were screaming bloody murder, could not force CNN to give them 2 minutes of coverage.

But since they were poor and black, and likely selected for lack of family ties to be "disappeared", it is also likely that no one is making much of a fuss besides a few "moonbats" trying to figure out what happened and trying to get some closure, which the Bushies will be more than happy to deny them.

The reason I say all this is, have you heard anything about it. Depite what the Nazi/Bushie/MSM is saying (nothing), what is the word on the street?

Just curious...as I am every time the Bushies pull of another stunning coup on reality, lkike amking 3,400 dead people and their families disappear without a trace.
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:10 AM
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124. You, Sir, will win a Nobel someday.
:thumbsup:
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donsu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:41 AM
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125. what Will says is true

nt
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BostonMa Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:37 PM
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136. Every word he says is more precious than gold. NT
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Tigermoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:07 AM
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126. Welcome to the Hyper-real -- Read some Baudrillard.
From wikipedia's entry on Baudrillard:

Simulacra and Simulation

As he developed his work throughout the 1980s, he moved from economically-based theory to the consideration of mediation and mass communications. Although retaining his interest in Saussurean semiotics and the logic of symbolic exchange (as influenced by anthropologist Marcel Mauss) Baudrillard turned his attention to Marshall McLuhan, developing ideas about how the nature of social relations is determined by the forms of communication that a society employs. In so doing, Baudrillard progressed beyond both Saussure's and Roland Barthes's formal semiology to consider the implications of an historically-understood (and thus formless), version of structural semiology.

Most famously, he argued —in Symbolic Exchange and Death— that Western societies have undergone a "precession of simulacra".<12> This precession is in the form of "orders of simulacra", from:

the era of the original
to the counterfeit
to the produced, mechanical copy, and through
to the simulated "third order of simulacra", whereby the copy has replaced the original.
Referring to "On Exactitude in Science", a fable written by Borges and Adolfo Bioy Casares, he argued that just as for contemporary society the simulated copy had superseded the original object, so, too, the map had come to precede the geographic territory (c.f. map and territory relation), e.g. the first Gulf War (see below): the image of war preceded real war.

With such reasoning, he characterised the present age —following Ludwig Feuerbach and Guy Debord— as one of 'hyperreality' where the real object has been effaced or superseded, by the signs of its existence. Such an assertion —the one for which he is most criticised— is typical of his "fatal strategy" of attempting to push his theories of society beyond themselves. Rather than saying, that our hysteria surrounding pedophilia is such that we no longer really understand what childhood is anymore, Baudrillard argued that "the Child no longer exists".<13> Similarly, rather than arguing —as did Susan Sontag in her book On Photography— that the notion of reality has been complicated by the profusion of images of it, Baudrillard asserted: "the real no longer exists". In so saying, he characterised his philosophical challenge as no longer being the Leibnizian question of: "Why is there something, rather than nothing?", but, instead: "Why is there nothing, rather than something?"<14>

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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:20 AM
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127. The Top Ten Reasons Why Political Reality Must Remain Insane
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 11:25 AM by L. Coyote
If they turned things upside down, so up would be up again, and down down,
this is what Bush would have announced at his morning presser:
10.) The secret government has been disbanded because the Sandinistas are no longer considered terrorists. :rofl: (Had to have one funny one.)

9.) The United States will begin a program of demilitarization, and all sales of arms and military support programs are terminated by Executive order. We are getting out of the arms business permanently, period.

8.) The White House is called for the resignations of Senators Dominici, Stevens, Vitter, and Craig, and is reviewing CREW's list to determine who else should go home for good. The slightest past corruption of any kind will be met with the greatest possible punishment.

7.) The United States will discontinue illegal spying on its citizens. Everyone will have a right to know what information the government has collected on them.

6.) The White House is calling for a sufficient number of wholly independent Special Prosecutors to address all current scandals.

5.) All document requests from Congress will be met by the end of business today, and all subpoenaed witnesses have been ordered by the President to fully cooperated with the lawful investigations of the Congress.

4.) A reconciliation commission will be established to address the issue of the illegal conquest of most of North America, one purpose of which will be to restore justice to the Native Peoples of America.

3.) The United States is willing to discuss peaceful resolution of any conflict, and seeks to resolve all conflicts amicably.

2.) The War on Iraq was a mistake built on lies and deception, and the U. S. forces will be withdrawn as soon as reasonably possible. Some draw downs of security forces began today.

1.) Dick and I stole the 2000 and 2004 elections, and we are such total screw ups we have decided to resign and go home to our ranches to cut brush.

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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:45 PM
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131. You forgot lunacy regarding 911 OCT
or did you just leave out the biggest on purpose ?
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:54 PM
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134. Last graph evokes old "Invasion of the Body Snatchers."
Kevin McCarthy betrayed by the elegant Dana Wynter, going insane...


See, here Dana looks normal.


And now she's been snatched! Her mind taken over.



Kevin? It really got to him.

Levity aside, that is a compelling piece, Will, and it recalls the surrealism of the Vietnam era.

--IMM
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:58 PM
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137. SO YOU FINALLY GET IT!!!
This is the core, the golden nugget of the authoritarian personality.

People like this routinely bend reality itself. I've seen it time and time again.

It's driven ME insane. I've spent years in therapy been on every med in the book until I finally met a psychiatrist who understood the situation and explained it in terms I could understand.

"You are the sanest person I've ever met. You have an absolutely, iron-clad grip on reality. Your problem is that everybody else around you is barking mad and blaming you."

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Nevernose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:46 PM
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140. Bush is what happens when existentialists go bad
Didn't he claim to be reading Camus a few months ago?
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:53 PM
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GliderGuider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:14 PM
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143. Everyone needs to read Naomi Klein's "The Shock Doctrine" to understand how they did it.
This is a crucially important book, both for those who are asking "WTF just happened?" as well as for those who are asking "WTF is going to happen as the crises continue to pile up?"

The Powers That Be have indeed replaced our reality, and I think Naomi Klein has written a Rosetta Stone when it comes to deciphering what's going on.
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Usrename Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:59 PM
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144. Nobody ever mentions my favorite alternate reality story...
the one about Bush cutting the deficit in half...

and he did it ahead of schedule.
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