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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:41 PM
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Lieberman Testifies for more Rational, Inclusive Presidential Primary System....
Lieberman Testifies for more Rational, Inclusive Presidential Primary System

WASHINGTON - Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs Committee Chairman Joe Lieberman, ID- Conn., Wednesday, testified in favor of a regional primary system before the Senate Rules Committee. Lieberman, along with Senators Amy Klobacher, D-Minn., and Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., have introduced S. 1905, the Regional Presidential Primary and Caucus Act of 2007 to reform the current, front-loaded system with a process that is more democratic and open to greater voter participation.

Following is the statement the Senator placed in the Rules Committee hearing record:

Madame Chairman, thank you for this opportunity to speak about the legislation Senators Alexander, Klobuchar, and I have introduced to restore public faith in our increasingly cramped and unrepresentative presidential primary system.

Our goal is to transform what has become an arbitrary and exclusive presidential selection process into one that is fair, deliberate, and open to participation by as many voters as possible. As my colleagues have explained, the bill would assign all states to one of four regions - corresponding to the Northeast, South, Midwest, and Western regions of the country. A lottery would determine which region goes first, and the regions would rotate in subsequent election years, holding primaries in March, April, May, and June. Each state within a region must hold its primary or caucus during the period assigned to that region. The bill would go into effect in 2012.

There are two exceptions to the rule: New Hampshire and Iowa would continue to hold the first primary and caucuses, respectively, before any of the regional primaries took place. I personally would prefer to omit this provision. If we are going to change to a regional system, there should be no exceptions, and I am concerned that these two states will continue to have a disproportionate impact on the outcome of the nominating process. But Iowa and New Hampshire share an historic, first-in-the-nation status in the presidential primary process and so, they remain the first caucus and primary states in this bill. Given the significance of choosing the most powerful officeholder in the world, our presidential selection process must test the strength of the ideas and character of all the candidates and expose them to the maximum number of voters. It must, above all, be democratic. Instead, what we have now is a densely packed primary season that, with each passing presidential election, becomes less and less democratic. States are forced to move their primaries up earlier in the calendar year in order to give their citizens a chance to participate, which in turn, gives early states disproportionate influence in the presidential selection, while voters in later states are effectively disenfranchised.

All one has to do is look at the 2008 presidential primary schedule to recognize the system is out of control. In bids to increase their influence on the presidential nomination, 34 states - with enough delegates to determine the nominee - are scheduled to hold primaries or caucuses before March 1. That's a complete reversal of what the calendar looked like in 2000 when just 11 states held primaries before March. And it seems like every month, another state announces a plan to move its primary forward on the calendar. This rush to select the nominee results in a process that starts too early and ends too soon. Before most Americans have started focusing on the presidential race, the nominees are effectively chosen. And then there is a six-month gap between the time the nominee is chosen and the formal nominating convention.

And there is another even more insidious effect: The more tightly packed the primary schedule, the more reliant candidates become on large campaign donations and the people who give them. The fund-raising primary this year has already eliminated candidates who simply could not raise sufficient funds quickly enough to be competitive in the first two months of the presidential year. This is no way for the world's greatest democracy to choose its president. Our legislation offers a fair alternative that would transform the primary season into what it should be: a contest between candidates who take their cases to the broadest possible slice of the electorate. I was honored to co-sponsor proposals to bring reason to the presidential primary system twice in the past - in 1995 and 1999 - with former Senator Slade Gorton. What we are introducing today is very similar. By creating a series of regional primaries, we will make it more likely that all areas of the country have a voice into the nomination process, and that the candidates and their treasuries will not be stretched so thin by primaries all over the country on the same day. By spreading the primaries out over a four-month period, we would provide the electorate with a better opportunity to evaluate the candidates over time. And we hope that voters -- not just financial contributors -- will have the lion's share of influence over who the parties' nominees will be. The guiding principle of our democracy is that every citizen has the opportunity to choose his or her leaders. But the sad truth is this principle no longer bears a resemblance to the reality of an increasingly squashed and arbitrary primary system. We need to change our presidential primary system to make it more reasonable, more inclusive, and better structured so that it properly reflects the significance it holds - not only every four years, but as a founding principle of our great nation. Thank you.

http://lieberman.senate.gov/newsroom/release.cfm?id=283661
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:53 PM
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1. Whatever Joe is for -- I am against
Must confess, didn't even read the whole thing, but after seeing that he sided with the rethugs against Webb ---- last straw, even if that last straw was frazzled to almost nothing.

Glad I don't live in his state.

He is a tool.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:57 PM
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2. Same here.
Read "Leiberman testifies for more RATIONAL, and stopped there.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:58 PM
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3. Guys, read the proposal. It's actually a good idea.
I'm behind it.
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rusty quoin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:14 PM
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10. I will. I'll print it and read it later.
You see, I expect craziness from him so I ignore him. But since you said something, I'll read it.
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MzNov Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 07:59 PM
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4. I say, stick Joe's head in a big ole toilet and keep flushing until 2008!
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:01 PM
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5. If Lieberman's for it, it's ipso facto bad.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:03 PM
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7. Mirroring idiocy doesn't actually counter idiocy.
He's a bad senator, not the devil incarnate. If Lieberman voted to reduce greenhouse gases, would you want them increased instead?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:08 PM
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9. Idiotically talking about idiocy doesn't counter idiocy either...
... For example, in your absurdly simplistic hypothetical, it would depend on what pork and other irrelevant things were in the bill that would be attractive enough for Lieberman to actually vote for it. I.e., your example is an example in name only.
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:02 PM
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6. A broken clock can be right twice a day.
I still don't like him.
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Critters2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:04 PM
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8. "Lieberman" and "rational" in the same sentence
If that don't cause cognitive dissonance, nothing will!
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:21 PM
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11. No exceptions for Iowa and New Hampshire
Everyone votes the same. We must end the energy wasting ethanol special interest lobby.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 08:21 PM
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12. Trying to steal the thunder of Nelson and Levin...
Bill Nelson today will file a bill for regional primaries...but first he had to get your attention.

http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1478

And if you read in the comments, Levin joined with him. They used the attention garnered from the attacks on Dean and the DNC when Florida and Michigan moved their primaries up....to announce the bill.

"UPDATE: While Nelson has started laying groundwork for a possible lawsuit regarding the DNC sanction, he is not planning any announcement today on that issue. Instead, he is filing a bill that would formalize a system of regional primaries for the 2012 presidential election.

Nelson did, though, lobby against holding the meeting Friday, arguing that it was premature and too early to put a caucus plan on the table.
State Party spokesman Mark Bubriski said that state chairwoman Karen Thurman “took his opinion into account.”
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OHdem10 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:31 PM
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13. No disrespect intended, but this message might have
done better if delivered by someone else.
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The Straight Story Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:56 PM
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14. You mean Liberman or me
:rofl:
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 09:58 PM
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15. What does he care? He's not a member of a party.
what he's proposing isn't exactly revolutionary, but it would help.
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bemildred Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:41 PM
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16. This is bullshit.
The state parties are rebelling against national party hacks manipulation of the primary process, as one would expect to happen after the democratic reforms following the 1968 debacle. The correct answer is to move the primaries CLOSER to the general election, like six weeks before, for everybody. No special cases, no special states, everybody on the same day. Let them talk to all of the people and live with the result. No more fudging, no more swiftboating of "unsuitable" early winners, limited time for media sabotage, etc.
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ludwigb Donating Member (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 10:57 PM
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17. A good idea!!
It's been a while since we heard one from Holy Joe.

I'll still never forgive him for encouraging the Christian Zionists. He's bad for this country and I wish he was up for election.

I like this legislation though. Different parts of the country need to start being represented in the primary process.
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:03 PM
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18. Glad to see other people who thought,
Edited on Wed Sep-19-07 11:03 PM by Kelly Rupert
"Huh. Lieberman is suggesting something. I will read it before denouncing him."
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:15 PM
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19. Hold all primaries on the same day...
End of problem.
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