Medea Benjamin: Hillary Clinton "goons" removed me for wearing shirt saying "Troops Home Now."

[Eric J in MN]

She tells Chris Matthews that near the end of this video, and holds up the shirt.

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2007/09/19/hardball-the-assault-on-free-speech-in-america/

Medea Benjamin of "Code Pink:" “I got pulled out of a Hillary Clinton rally for wearing this shirt.”

Chris Matthews: “No.”

Benjamin: “Yes.”

Matthews: “Pulled out of the rally –

Benjamin: “Pulled out of the rally.”

Matthews: “Who were the pullers?”

Benjamin: “She has goons, just like the Republicans have goons and they drag you out of there and they say, no signs other than the signs that we hand to you. The Republicans and the Democrats do the same thing.”

It's bad enough when Republicans treat dissent that way, but I expect better from Democrats.

[mike_c]

Senator Clinton must be learning her jackboot lessons from the shrub....

eom

[TheUniverse]

1. We are currently in a society where politicians need to be protected from society.

[bemildred]

103. Yep, we are the enemy. nt

[mod mom]

126. Yeah, women working for peace, wearing TROOPS HOME NOW are SO dangerous!

:sarcasm:

[superkia]

2. Curious what the Clinton supporters think of this?

Why would she have this done? Is it a way to avoid a tough subject? I don't understand all the censorship going on these days, does any candidate believe in the constitution?

[jobycom]

25. I'm not a complete supporter, but I can tell you why. Not that I approve of it.

Campaign events are carefully orchestrated affairs meant to create an image of energetic and popular support for the cameras. One protest sign at a campaign event, and the opposition will blow it up and viral it all over the web. Everyone from Edwards to Giuliani would love to get a picture of Clinton at a podium with a "Bring the Troops Home!" sign in focus in the foreground. Edwards would use it to prove she had no support amongst war opponents, Giuliani would use it to show his supporters that Democrats were against the war, etc. Not just war signs, but any signs that carried a message any candidate didn't want.

It's not censorship, it's campaign strategy in a highly sophisticated, image-driven market.

It sucks, I don't like it, I think less of her for doing it. But that's why she's doing it. And she's not the only one, she's just the most visible target since she's such a front-runner. Benjamin's slogan would be welcomed at a Kucinich or Edwards rally, because they would feel that the message was showing support for them. But you wouldn't have to search hard to find a sign they wouldn't allow. Maybe those Republican mangled-fetus anti-abortion signs, for instance. Or someone carrying a placard calling Edwards a hypocrite and showing how much money he has taken from lobbyists. They control their image, too. They just aren't big enough targets for anyone on Chris Matthews to worry about.

Again, I despise it, and think less of Clinton for doing it. Just not enough less to change my opinion of her, since it's pretty much what I would expect, anyway.

And keep in mind, whomever wins the nomination, including whomever you support most strongly, will have the same policy. Just different signs. You don't honestly believe your candidate will throw the doors of the Democratic National Convention open and allow Republicans to march in with their signage, right?

[Eric J in MN]

37. Trying to control what t-shirts are worn at a rally goes further

...than trying to control what cardboard signs are held at a rally, whatever, the merits or lack-thereof of the latter.

[jobycom]

40. It's all an attempt to control the image. nt

[Eric J in MN]

43. I'd like a candidate to foster an image of being tolerant of dissent. NT

NT

[jobycom]

70. I just want a candidate to win. I'm sick of symbolism. nt

[CoffeeCat]

101. A real presidential candidate...

...would be more concerned about First Amendment rights, than their own image.

A real presidential candidate--would be comfortable and willing to speak openly when divergent
opinions emerge from "We The People"--instead of protecting some blow-dried, robotic "image".

A real presidential candidate would welcome the opportunity to explain their opinions to someone
who does not agree--instead of using "We The People" as a prop to perpetuate an artificial image.

If a presidential candidate is not able to stand with "We The People"--without hired goons
that have orders to whisk away dissenters--then this presidential candidate has no basic
understanding of "We The People" nor do they understand how to listen to "We The People".

Furthermore, they have no damn business representing the people of the United States if their own IMAGE
trumps open dialog, First Amendment rights and the fundamental understanding that US citizens are not
backdrop fodder to prop up an election campaign!

[jobycom]

134. We ain't had a real one since Washington, then.

And you confuse some things. Our candidates aren't stifling discussion. Clinton has answered many tough questions. Her handlers are controlling the image presented to the world in her campaign events. As are Edwards's, Obama's, Kucininch's, and anyone else you mistakenly believe isn't.

I say it often around here, and no one gets it, but I'll say it again. JFK and FDR would be hated today by DU. Hated, eviscerated, and called exactly every name that Clinton is called. Gore was called those names, too, until he decided not to run in 2003, and then he became THE HERO OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!!! I love Gore, I defended him exactly they way I defend Clinton these days from exactly the same attacks. But he's about equal to Clinton. She may be a tad smarter, actually. If she loses, in three years she will be THE HERO OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY!!! Everyone will be begging her to run. And whomever is the front runner than--Obama, Edwards, Kucinich, Dean, Gore, some even more "pure" person--will be eviscerated and called all the Republican-lite names that Clinton is being called now.

No, I don't expect people to believe it. But when it happens (Hopefully she'll just win and we won't have to deal with it), remember that someone told you it would happen.

[zeemike]

51. What you are saying is that it is al a stage managed illusion

And i know you are right.
So how do we know she is even a woman? She could just be bush in drag.

[jobycom]

75. LOL!

I can't--and don't want to imagine--confirming or denying that!

I promise you, whomever you are supporting is just as phony. The best comment I've heard all this campaign came from Obama on The Daily Show. Jon Stewart must have gotten him really relaxed, and I think Obama is just basically an honest guy in the first place, and Stewart got him to admit that a lot of the stuff he says he knows isn't true. This was around the time of the Clinton lobbying thing, so that may be what he was thinking about, but he basically said that they said stuff to score points, even when they knew it wasn't true, just because that's how the game is played.

They know, Edwards and Obama knows, that the attacks on Clinton aren't true. But they'd be fools to not use it against her anyway.

Here's the actual quote:
Obama: — and it's always a shock to the system when, Sunday morning, you wake up and you're face-to-face with Mike Gravel. (Yes.) So, we're preparing, and one of my staff said, "The thing you gotta understand is, this isn't on the level." And I think that really strikes to what people are frustrated with in politics is that so much of what we talk about in politics, so much of what we say — it's not true, people know it's not true, all the insiders understand that we're just game-playing, and in the mean time you've got these hugely serious problems which are true.

Jon: Do you feel like you're stuck in a narrative now? And the narrative is, Hillary Clinton is unlikable but knows what she's doing, Obama is inexperienced but brings change, and that narrative, no matter what you do, because it's easily categorized, the media or everyone else will just slip whatever happens into those two narratives?

Obama: That's what's happening right now; they will probably find something new later to talk about.

http://lincmad.blogspot.com/2007/08/obama-on-daily-show.html

[superkia]

77. I support the lesser of the evils Dennis Kucinich.

[jobycom]

88. I love Kucinich, but

he's no less phony. He was anti-choice most of his career, and flipped in 04 after he saw the polls showing he wouldn't be taken seriously by Democrats that way. One of those positions was fake. At first he was very religious, too, working prayers and religious iconography into every speech. He dropped that when he saw it was hurting his image. And he knows full well that Clinton wasn't a war supporter (that's one of the lies Obama was saying insiders knew wasn't true), but he still talks about her as if she were.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to talk you out of Kucinich--I may have been the first person on DU with a "Kucinich for President" sig line, back in his "Prayer for America" days, before he became a candidate. I've got other priorities in a candidate, and I've seen things about him I don't think are presidential, so I'm not likely to vote for him, but I admire him greatly. Just saying, he's hiding behind a facade, too. And who knows, I might vote for him. Edwards has pissed me off with his lies, lately, and Clinton just made me made with her Ahmadinejad comments. I'd love to see Gore in the race, but the moment he gets in, people will turn on him, too. Just the nature of the game.

[TahitiNut]

137. "Campaign events are carefully orchestrated affairs" ... just like the Nuremberg rallies.

:puke: :puke:

[msongs]

3. depends on whether you believe it is really true I guess nt

[babylonsister]

9. I seriously doubt Medea Benjamin would lie, and she probably has video. nt

[me b zola]

63. Thom Hartman spoke about this today on his show

Thom says that Madina is a friend of his and that he trusts her word completely., Madina's word is golden.

[mod mom]

128. Did Hillary dispute this story? I agree with Babylonsister-there's probably video.

[rodeodance]

4. what do OBama and other rallies do?

[Eric J in MN]

10. Kerry-Edwards in 2004 let dissenters attend their rallies. NT

NT

[mondo joe]

18. And look how well they did! NT

[Eric J in MN]

22. They did well. If there had been enough voting machines

...in black neighborhoods and college areas in Ohio, Kerry would be president.

[emilyg]

But he is not.

[mondo joe]

41. If, running against Bush, that is the best they could do, they did poorly.

Do you get tired of the "if if if"?

[Mojambo]

52. You are confusing Bush's strength/popularity now with what it was in 2004

The country was still pretty split on Bush during the 2004 election.

Now was Bush weak enough to beat, absolutely, and without rampant fraud Kerry/Edwards did beat Bush/Cheney.

Just not as badly as they would beat them today.

[mondo joe]

68. No - I'm not confusing anything. I am recognizing what a dolt he is and was, and

if Kerry couldn't capitalize on that it as his own weakness.

[Mojambo]

73. And I'm saying Kerry DID capitalize on it and there was election fraud.

They cheat and it's Kerry's weakness that cost him the election?

Take issue with him all you want for not contesting the cheating (I sure have), but don't give me this bullshit that Kerry just wasn't a strong enough candidate to beat Bush in 2004, because he goddamn well did and the Republicans fucking stole Ohio.

[mondo joe]

82. They cheated, and Kerry didn't do enough to counter it.

That's ow it works. The winner is the one who wins.

[KittyWampus]

130. It wasn't Kerry's job to counter GOP cheating. It's the job of the DNC. How can you expect

a candidate who has at most a year to run to counter decades of GOP party planning to steal elections?

Election Theft has been organized behind the scenes by GOP operatives and perpetrated by party loyalists over several decades.

This includes getting party operatives in offices that precide over elections.

And constantly coming up with new ways to limit voters.

It's up to the Democratic mover and shakers and loyalists to counter than effectively.

To expect a POTUS candidate to counter that much planning in a few months whilst simultaneously campaigning is unreasonable.

You need to investigate election theft. How it's been planned for and worked on.

[mondo joe]

132. The job of the candidate is to win. "Woulda coulda shoulda" doesn't mean shit in the end.

And the fact that the margins were slim enough to shave it off is a disgrace to the Kerry campaign.

[Mojambo]

35. Some of us think they won. n/t

[PA Democrat]

118. I saw this first-hand at a Kerry rally back in 2004

There were a group of local college Republicans who started chanting in an attempt to disrupt the rally. People started booing them and moving in to remove them, and Kerry stopped them. He said, No, no! Let them speak!" He also made a comment about respecting free speech. Then he asked them what their issue was and responded. The entire situation was diffused.

[blm]

142. Your post deserves its own thread. The distortion of Kerry in all of this is

disgusting.

[Mira]

5. That's why we must impeach - so the abuses of power get reversed

instead of perpetuated and incorporated. I'm disgusted to read this.

[Mojambo]

6. Hillary needs to use some of that corporate cash and get those staffers some tasers! n/t

[saracat]

7. Amazing how these so called "progressives" are going out of their way to equate Dems and the GOP!

Yeah right.Everyone is just the same. I have never seen any proof behind this story and the way Benjamin has been "dogging" Hillary I see no reason to take her word for it.I am sure there is more to this story.

[Tom Joad]

12. Amazing how those politicians go out of their way to stifle dissent, promote war, serve special

interests.

[saracat]

16. Bull feathers.This is just a ploy to promote divisiveness! KKKarl is soo proud!

[Tom Joad]

27. Hillary sure promoted togetherness when she supported Bush's attack on Iraq.

smelled like thst bipartisan spirit!
which is somewhat indistinguishable from the aroma of a pig farm.

[saracat]

29. Actually, I am not a Hillary supporter. That is not the point of my post.

[OzarkDem]

49. Yes, anti war protestors want to hurt Dems

:sarcasm:

[BeHereNow]

21. Thank you. N/T

BHN

[havocmom]

110. Second that. Thanks, Tom

I really want no part of politicians who stifle dissent. It is fucking unAmerican!

Security for personal protection is a reasonable thing, but hired goons to scrub the audience and assure a certain image? FUCK THAT and ANYBODY who practices it.

Another politician more concerned with image than honest communication and freedom is NOT an antidote to cheney/bush damage to America.

[Eric J in MN]

15. If Medea Benjamin isn't telling the truth about this, then...

...it's a big and premeditated lie, since she carried the shirt with her on "Hardball" just to talk about it.

I'm inclined to believe her, but of course I'd prefer to have a videotape of her being removed.

[saracat]

38. I do not know if she is or isn't telling the truth.Anyone can carry a shirt with them!

Her website has a stated agenda against Hillary and she willfully disrupts events.I take her statements regarding Clinton with a grain of salt.And I am not a Hillary fan.Just saying.I am not inclined to give her the benefit of the doubt, just as I would not expect anyone to give me the benefit of the doubt if I said something like that about Bill O. It is quite possible to conclude I might have a disruptive"agenda"as I hate O'Reilly and have said so.

[Eric J in MN]

45. How does Medea Benjamin disrupt events? NT

NT

[saracat]

46. Go to her website and see!

[EFerrari]

57. I've worked with Medea. She's as honest as the day is long.

Have far will you bend over to defend the indefensible? Good god.

[saracat]

80. She may well be.How am I supposed to know that? What proof has she offered to me as a member of the

general public? All I am saying is it is hard for me to believe that someone who has "targeted " Hillary and boasts headlines like "CODEPINK interrupts Hillary’s fundraiser… again" on her website is blameless.I am not a Hillary fan either and I am sure if I grabbed a shirt and went on Tweety, some people could point to posts I have made and claim I was not to be believed because of bias.And I would not blame them.She is your friend but no proof is being offered other than her "word" and to those who do not know her, that is not enough!

[EFerrari]

87. She'd have much more to lose for pulling a dumb stunt like that.

Medea is highly respected here. Shs works tirelessly for progressives and progressive projects. Be skeptical -- that's your right. But please don't expect me to sit back when my friend is smeared up one side and down the other, okay?

[saracat]

89. I am not "smearing "your friend . I respect that you "know " her honesty.

And I suspect what she says has truth to it.I am only pointing out "why" she could be suspect.And I am a lot fairer to her than some have been to me and those I care about!

[EFerrari]

91. Got it! n/t

[OzarkDem]

50. But if she videotaped herself

she would be discredited and called a "publicity whore" by some on DU. Can't seem to win either way.

[BeHereNow]

54. Not all dems Saracat, just the ones who are in bed with the corporatists.

When you get in bed with the corporatists, you are no longer
a Dem or a Puke- you are simply a corporatist.
A rapist of sorts. A pillager of the unspuspecting.
Hil and Bill have been in bed with the corporatist bankers
for a VERY long time.
BHN

[saracat]

72. Like John Conyers? Like David Obey?Please. I have trouble with a lot of things about

Hillary as well, but Benjamin has targeted good people. I didn't make the equation between Democrats and Republicans, Benjamin did. She ought to clarify that she doesn't mean all Democrats because she certainly didn't make the differentiation in her statement.

[LWolf]

106. That sword cuts both ways.

I see no reason to take Hillary's word for anything.

Medea Benjamin has my respect, support, and appreciation for the work that she does.

[Tom Joad]

8. Medea Raaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawks!

Hillary ... well, we know what Hillary is about.

[babylonsister]

11. HA! She does that!

:thumbsup:

[Tom Joad]

14. I've Known Medea for over 16 years.

[BeHereNow]

19. Some of us know- a painful and annoying number don't know.

Sheep to the slaughter.
Shoulder to shoulder with the Bushbots.
BHN

[saracat]

28. Nonsense. Some do not "know"anything more than others. Some are not ideologically

or morally"superior".Others appreciate the difference between Democrats and Republicans and are grateful for the Democratic Party."And shoulder to shoulder with the Bush bots" is not where the majority of Democrats stand but Benjamin is doing a great job for KKKarl and pushing right in that direction!

[EFerrari]

58. It's hard to appreciate the difference when the behavior is IDENTICAL.

[BeHereNow]

71. You are NOT supposed to point that fact out!

ROTFLMAO.

Incredible, isn't it?

Put a "D" by your name and Fascism is acceptable.

BHN

[cali]

59. there are lies, damn lies and

damn stupid lies. Congrats.

[BeHereNow]

61. Care to translate that ramble?

BHN

[cali]

64. Only if you translate this first:

Sheep to the slaughter.
Shoulder to shoulder with the Bushbots.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

69. Oh what the heck...here ya go!

The people who actually think the Clinton dynasty is
not in bed with the Bush dynasty are delusional
and really don't understand what has transpired
under our corporate owned government.
Therefore, those who actually expect that a Clinton
presidency will alter the course (slaughter) of this
once great nation, are simply sheep of a different
color than those following Bush.
Fact is, they are all heading to slaughter-
shoulder to shoulder.
Your turn.

BHN

[cali]

76. OK

First of all, I don't buy this crap about a "once great nation". When was that? We've always been a deeply flawed nation.

No, I don't think the Clinton dynasty is in bed with the bush dynasty, even though both are in (different) bed(s) with the corporation.

I don't care for the idea of another Clinton presidency. At all.

However, Clinton bush are hardly synonymous.

[BeHereNow]

81. The END results are what MATTER-

In that both are following the corporatist agenda,
which is basically fascism, do you see the sheep
ending up any differently when all is said and done?
That was my original point.
BTW, if Hil is the dem candidate-
the Repukes are sure to win.
This country will never elect her.
Count on it-
Bookmark this thread.

If by some twist of touch screen machine voting she
IS elected, remember she will inherit all the powers
established this far, which apparently, she has no
problem with, judging by the original story this thread
was started for.

Like I said, either way, shoulder to shoulder
as we head for the slaughter.

WHO do you imagine being elected who will
turn this train on the hot rails to hell around?

Personally, I don't see anyone out side of the
corporate owned candidates who has a prayer of being elected.

Therefore, we are screwed.
Say good bye to America- whether you love her or not.
The grave has been dug and the vultures are circling.
BHN

[cali]

115. barking nonsense from yet another DUer

convinced that they have a crystal ball.

[mondo joe]

133. We need a DU PSYCHIC FRIENDS NETWORK group for all the crystal ballers out there.

[lateo]

123. Yes...yes we do.

And I think we can expect to see more incidents like this at other pro-Hillary rallys.

[Cha]

13. Ya can't just brush all Democrats with

the hillary broom.

[Tom Joad]

17. that's true.

[saracat]

20. You cannot brush ALL Democrats with any kind of broom.

[bvar22]

55. No, but you can brush Hillary with THIS broom:

Lots and Lots of

$Corporate CASH$

She is preferred Democrat of BIG BUSINESS and Rupert Murdoch.
Her HealthCare plan delivers the CASH payback to the Insurance and HMO CEOs. I would say this group of CEOS have made a wise investment.

How much more do you need to know?


The Democratic Party is a BIG TENT, but there is NO ROOM for those
who advance the agenda of THE RICH (Corporate Owners) at the EXPENSE of LABOR and the POOR.

[babylonsister]

65. Wow! That needs its own thread! nt

[bvar22]

78. Thanks, but everybody paying attention already knows that

Hillary's Mandatory Health Insurance Plan diverts $MILLIONS of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of some of the RICHEST CEOs the World has ever seen.

They also know that Hillary (yesterday) held a private fundraiser asking for donations (armtwisting) from Homeland Security Contractors, the single largest recepients of NO BID contracts awarded by the Unitary Executive.

The incredible part is that some here KNOW this and still pretend that this is OK.

[babylonsister]

104. No, but bvar22, you could start a revolution, on DU!!1!

Good post, and not everyone on here knows everything. Trust me. I don't either, and am continually surprised by stories I never heard of. And I'm looking!

[lateo]

124. DLC corporate whores.

Corporate Cash R US.

[babylonsister]

26. They were discussing freedom of speech issues and the way this admin

handled public events. Medea was just letting us know the rethugs aren't the only ones doing it. There could be other candidates, but I hope not.

[acmavm]

23. I don't doubt this story for a minute.

[rusty quoin]

24. I posted a similar post earlier.

But I am so computer ignorant I cannot direct you to it. Benjamin was on Randi Rhodes saying the same thing. I posted, but the responses I got made me second guess myself. It was posted 3:42 pm est today

[Eric J in MN]

31. If you click "My DU" on the top center of the page, you will...

...get a list of your posts from the previous 48 hours.

You can click on one, and then highlight the address (example: "http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=3") and right-click the mouse and choose Copy and then in a post right-click the mouse and choose Paste to share the link.

[Liberal In Texas]

34. Yeah, I heard her on Randi too. This is disturbing.

Clinton supporters, instead of crying disinformation, you ought to be holding your candidate accountable. Asking for an explanation. No, demanding an explanation.

[EFerrari]

67. It's easier to accuse my friend of lying.

Very disappointing, all around.

[saracat]

84. I do not think she is "lying' but there doesn't seem to be any "evidence" to support her claim.

I actually incline towrd the fact that "something" may have happened but it cannot be proved. It makes it tough when she has "birddogging" Hillary as an activity listed and boasts of "distrupting" Hillary events.

[EFerrari]

90. Let's not do this, saracat. You are right in a sense.

Medea will do just about anything to draw attention to the issue of the war. For her, this isn't about attacking Democrats. In fact, the night I met her, we were both out launching the campaign of a wonderful progressive Democrat who was up for re-election here. She was on her way to DC to start a fast. That's her commitment level.

It may be that she wore that t shirt on purpose, knowing that she'd be thrown out. But, I doubt that. She usually dresses that way.

[CoffeeCat]

105. That's what I don't get...

Why on Earth would any Democrat support a fellow Democrat engaging in these Fascist, chilling-effect tactics?

All of use were disgusted when Bush and Cheney implemented these same tactics. We were outraged
and rightfully so!

Why are people rationalizing Fascism and making these heinous actions more palatable--by saying that
Hillary was just trying to control her image? What in the hell is going on?

Does it even bother you that Hillary and her hired goons expelled someone from her event, because they
expressed anti-war sentiments???

Anyone who believes this is ok, is anti-American, anti-democracy and anti-civil rights. And you sure
as hell aren't for a candidate that represents "We The People"! That t-shirt, which was banned from
Hillary's precious event, represents the views of 70 percent of this nation.

This is just nuts.

[tom_paine]

30. I no longer expect much from Democratic Leadership. That way I am not disappointed.

Sometimes I can barely believe I am saying this, but there you have it. Had my nose rubbed in reality one too many times.

Don't get me wrong. I will continue to vote Democratically in "elections", but expecting the Democrats to take serious action to restrain Bushevik criminality and restore the Old American Republic is not realistic.

They are too busy trying to hold it all together to give much of a shit of WHAT they are holding together.

[Habibi]

32. Hm.

It seems to me that more people than Medea would be prone to wearing anti-war t-shirts at Hillary rallies. Any other stories out there of this happening?

I guess the thing to do is go to one wearing your anti-war t-shirt and see if you get tossed.

[Cleita]

33. That was stunning wasn't it? I heard her on Randi Rhodes

saying the same thing.

I sort of understand the candidates' need for security, but fer chrissakes, Code Pink is just a group of mothers and grandmothers of soldiers and their supporters. I can't see how words are going to endanger a candidate's life. The words will endanger a candidate's campaign and I think that this is the real reason Medea was removed from the meeting.

[Wiley50]

36. She Would Have been Removed Even If She Didn't Wear Any Shirt At All

But i'm With Medea All The Way

[Liberal In Texas]

60. I've read this subject line about 3 times now, and I keep getting an image topless Medea...

But seriously, she said on Randi that when she showed dressed in nondescript clothes, she's on some kind of list, and still gets thrown out.

[Wiley50]

66. Don't Worry, I'm Sure She'd Be Breastfeeding

But some big baby Republican might be jealous and offended

[Gold Metal Flake]

39. Meet Hillary and her friend.

Two harmless little kittens.

[BeHereNow]

47. Exactly... anymore questions about who Hil represents?

It aint you and it aint me.
BHN

[Individualist]

56. Two DLC peas in a pod

:puke:

[Greeby]

42. Out of curiosity

Were they Hired Goons? ;)

[bbgrunt]

44. One thing is clear. Hillary is not an agent of change.

[ima_sinnic]

48. Hillary, repukes -- what's the difference, anyway?

At least under a repuke I don't think I would HAVE to buy health insurance.

[Disturbed]

53. Maybe the Dems like the idea of a Unitary Chief Executive?

Dems feel that they will be in charge next so they are not trying to change much that the Busholini Regime has grabbed up.

[bvar22]

74. The DLC Dems helped build the "Unitary Executive",

and have actively blocked REAL Dems from intefering (SEE: Gang of 14) by joining forces with the Republicans.

Hillary IS the DLC candidate.
Of course they want a Unitary Executive.
Its the only way for a small minority to RULE over what can no longer be called a Democracy.

[bbgrunt]

83. BINGO--this is the reason for no impeachment.

[cali]

62. And under a repuke

You wouldn't have to worry about whether women had choice, because once Stevens or Ginsberg was gone and replaced, women wouldn't have either. And you wouldn't have to wory about the remainder of your civil liberties because they'd disappear for the same reason.

[saracat]

86. Ding ! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

[JTFrog]

119. Hence my signature line.

[AtomicKitten]

79. Gestapo Politics: It's not just for Republicans anymore.

[BeHereNow]

85. Corporatism owns most of BOTH sides of the aisle, so we are not surprised.

Those who understand the extent of the corruption, that is.
Amazing how many on DU do not.

BHN

[AtomicKitten]

92. corporatism is a completely different issue than this kind of fascist behavior at rallies

... to those that understand the difference, that is. :eyes:

If you have an axe to grind, knock yourself out, but I was responding to the OP.

[EFerrari]

93. Do you think so? They seem inseparable to me.

Those goons were probably paid for by corporate money, for one thing.

:(

[AtomicKitten]

97. corporatism is a much broader issue

I would guess most DU'ers are probably paid by corporate money, so I'm not sure that is a relevant distinction.

This kind of fascist behavior comes from a sense of entitlement. Politicians may look to corporations for cash, but it is our votes they require to prevail in office, that is if daddy doesn't own Diebold.

[EFerrari]

98. You have a point about that sense of entitlement.

And I wonder when the last time was that the person we elected to the executive office actually was seated. The whole process seems to be out of our hands sometimes.

[AtomicKitten]

100. and I'm not convinced the crime spree is over

I am really concerned about the upcoming election.

[EFerrari]

102. I am, too. Instead of doing precinct work as I'd normally do,

it's election protection this time out. I want these bastards to at least have to strain themselves this time. :grr:

[bvar22]

94. "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism ...

because it is the merger of state and corporate power."--- Mussolini

Goon squads and private police operating outside The Law and answerable only to their own private executives are a symptom of Fascism.

[EFerrari]

96. Hillary Clinton seems to believe the rules don't apply to her, either.

It's effen' chilling already. You'd think after seven years of this crap, people would know better already than to support an attitude like that.

[AtomicKitten]

99. I agree it is a symptom.

Blackwater comes to mind. Look for them at a rally near you.

[BeHereNow]

139. Bwahahah- I just posted the very same reply...

Too bad the unthinking actually think the rest of us
haven't studied the matter.

Can you say -
"What an ignoramus?"

Thought so.

They are so transparent at this point that they are exceptionally pathetic.
No?

BHN

[BeHereNow]

138. It is you who do not understand.

Benito Mussolini:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism
because it is a merger of State and corporate power."

You think there is a difference, there is not.

BHN

[CoffeeCat]

95. Please say it isn't so...

The Democrats NEVER did things like this before. NEVER.

It started with BushCo. We complained, pointed out their Fascist tactics and
were disgusted with their need to quell free speech and remain in a bubble.

Now, the Dems are doing this too?

I am sickened. I am so disgusted!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

107. I'd Be Inclined To Believe There's More To The Story, If It's True At All.

Not exactly like this person doesn't have a hidden agenda or anything ya know? I mean, they wouldn't be just looking for any opportunity to be able to knock Hillary down or anything right?

I dunno. Maybe it happened that way, maybe it didn't. But in the end of it all, I actually find myself not really even caring. Just don't care. I'm so tired of all the petty bashing already.

[EFerrari]

109. Medea's agenda couldn't be more transparent unless

you need someone to come to your home and explain it to you in person.

[Marrah_G]

121. I think I understand why she was not allowed to stay

I respect her fight to stop the war and I was not ten yards from her during the die-in Saturday (pretty sure it was her) while trying to keep the soldiers from being stepped on, but I also can say I see the Clinton campaigns side. There is a pretty good chance that the campaign speech would be interrupted loudly and repeatedly were she allowed to stay. The campaign is not stupid and knows this also. Their job is to allow their candidate to speak without being shouted down.

In a way this works out. Clinton got to do her thing without having it turn into a protest and Medea got alot of press for being asked to leave. I doubt she was there to listen to the speech anyway.

I can understand both sides and why they did what they did.

[EFerrari]

135. Sure. That makes sense to me. And it's a slippery slope

isn't it, removing people for what they might do. Downright pre-emptive.

I wish I had more details. I'm not on the CP discussion list, only the action list because of volume.

[lostnotforgotten]

108. One More Sterling Reason Not To Support Hillary

Do you need more?

[eridani]

111. Kerry didn't do this crap in 2004 over Bush or any other kind of T-shirt

It isn't necessary to start doing it now.

[Senator]

112. "Let The Conversation Lapse"

Recall the arrogance of that first slogan. All we needed to know really.

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[cui bono]

113. I heard her talking about that on the radio today.

Unfuckingbelievable. And surprisingly she still has Dem supporters. Must be all those people supporting the fascist police brutality lately.

:eyes:

[HardRocker2005]

114. we are no longer citizens; we are subjects of the ruling class and their enforcers. nt

[leftchick]

116. one of our DUers had a personal experience with Clinton's goons

she relayed the story this past summer at a candidate event where the goons told her and her friends to be quiet. I have no doubt what Medea said is true so let me ask again, wtf is the difference between corporate fascist hillary and a repuke?

[Vinca]

117. Little difference. The Medea story really bothered me.

If the Democrats don't stand for free speech, who will?

[leftchick]

122. I suppose we have to

and I also suppose that is where private armies and the new detention facilities come in. :(

[onenote]

120. long on allegation, thin on facts

what rally? when? where?

Maybe its true, maybe its not, maybe the truth lies somewhere in between (i.e, maybe she was "pulled out" of a rally, and maybe she was wearing that shirt, but maybe she was doing something else that caused her to get pulled out of the rally"

At this point, I don't have enough information to reach any conclusions or even to attempt to find independent verification of the events.

[EFerrari]

125. If Chris Matthews was a journalist, we'd know those things.

lol

Nothing in the news that I can find, nor up at the CP site except the clip mentioned in the OP.

[femrap]

127. Damn it.

I guess it's just one big political party now.

Very disturbing.

[onenote]

129. so you know this to be true?

When did it occur? Where? Why hasn't CodePink posted anything about it previously?

[femrap]

140. do your own research....

i'm not here to answer your ?s. A hole.

[Beelzebud]

131. I see the DU branch of Protest Warriors is out in full force.

[DS1]

136. She's lucky she didn't get tasered like that poor child at facsist John Kerry's speech

[Eric J in MN]

141. John Kerry didn't want the cops to taser the student. NT

NT