I wonder - who would you vote for - Hagel as an R or Lieberman

[Joe for Clark]

as a D -

at what point does party not matter?

I wonder.

Joe

[liberal N proud]

1. If those are the choices, I might have to shoot myself

[rusty quoin]

5. LOL

[rateyes]

2. I wouldn't vote for either...but,

if I absolutely HAD to vote for one of them....it would be Hagel.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. Neither. I couldn't do it. n/t

[ThomCat]

4. I'd fight like hell for someone better than Lieberman.

If, in the absolute worst case scenario, Lieberman was the nominee, I'd study Hagel and Lieberman's records to see which one was the lesser evil. Given that both of them are loyal republicans, that might take some serious research.

[Individualist]

6. Neither

The only thing worse than a neocon is a neocon enabler.

[TwilightGardener]

7. Hagel--no qualms whatsoever.

[LittleClarkie]

8. Hagel. Not even close

At least he's an honest man for the most part.

[Joe for Clark]

15. It is funny the way party doen't really matter when you look at a

choice in the end. Isn't it???

I am registered a democrat for a long time -

But I will vote for the guy I think can do the right thing for our country too.

It will never be mo jo- - I'd vote for Goldwater first. At least I think he had a genuine point of view.


I do not dis the repugs - as long as they are real.

Joe

[sam sarrha]

18. you dont know now that ReThugs will never do anything but make the rich richer.. how is it under the

bridge...

[mitchtv]

36. yeah, honestly out to deny the right to choose

and go after the Gays

[Blue-Jay]

9. Thankfully I don't have to vote for either of those dicks.

Perhaps your question could have been worded differently to get an idea regarding which of the two is the lesser asshole.

[Frances]

10. I would not accept that choice

I would write in LaMont

[unkachuck]

11. on election day....

....I would stay home and take a nap....

[parasim]

12. Hagel in a heartbeat.

But then again, I have no problem voting for a Republican. I just happen to agree with most Democrats, so I typically vote for them.

Why Hagel considers himself a Republican or why Leiberman thinks he's a Democrat, I have not a clue.

[Faygo Kid]

13. There is no longer any point where party doesn't matter. But still, Hagel, easily.

Lieberman is a dangerous whack job that came way too close to the oval office. He will be a prime-time speaker at the GOP convention next year. I would vote for Hagel over Lieberman, and this one is not close.

[daninthemoon]

14. Hagel. Joe is bat wacko and itchin to burn the whole middle east

except Israel. I wish like hell that Gore had assumed office after he won the election, but we dodged a huge bullet if Joe was next in line.

[Joe for Clark]

24. Maybe you are right -but I sure don't bring up

Israel - I never will.

I have very mixed emotions about that subject.

SO don't pretend to know me on it.

You don't.

Joe

[daninthemoon]

33. Not tryin to dis Israel, just don't want to see Joe with his finger on

the button. Not because he's Jewish, but because he is a huge hawk on Iraq and Iran. He personally is not trustworthy.

[Joe for Clark]

39. Then I guess I am not trustworthy -

I am catholic - not jewish by the way - just so happens, many of my relations died in camps way back when. I remember.

A war with Iran - I am not fucking crazy - we have NO army to do that.

Don't misjudge moral from practical. I don't.


I can judge, I think, the practical from the moral - I think I was brought up that way.

My finger on the button - I choose not to kill. Least of my brothers -all that. I belived that.

Joe

[daninthemoon]

51. Not sure I understand. My concern is that we don't need any more

pre-emptive wars of choice. Bushler is already priming up to bomb Iran. So is lieberman. We still have Israel's back in the event of overt hostile action from Iran, but I believe lieberman would engage in massive bombings without that provocation. No matter what, Israel has nukes, we have nukes, so no matter what capabilities Iran could possibly attain (which sanctions greatly curtail), any overt move by Iran would lead to it's extermination. Diplomacy first.

[Mojambo]

16. I'd vote for Hagel. n/t

[Just-plain-Kathy]

17. Gun to my head. ....Hagel. ....n/t

[stillcool]

19. Hagel.. n/t

[Eric J in MN]

20. Lieberman. We need more Democratic Senate seats,

...and if Lieberman were the Democratic candidate, I'd vote for him (I supported Ned Lamont, the Democrat, in 2006.)

[Joe for Clark]

21. Really - even if he voted - espoused to kill your kid??

Where does party loyalty stop exactly??

Joe

[Eric J in MN]

31. Lieberman votes with Democrats more than Hagel. NT

NT

[Joe for Clark]

32. Really - on the war - you know that moment when kids die -

Screw him.

[Eric J in MN]

37. Lieberman isn't a Democrat. He was primaried out of the party, and I was...

...one of the many people who donated to Ned Lamont to help that happen.

The system worked, except that Lieberman (I) beat Lamont (D).

This theoretical isn't about a Democrat. It's about an Independent. Lieberman is only a Democrat in your example because you made him one for your question.

[Joe for Clark]

41. I agree with you.

I made him a democrat to a result - I don't think he is either.

I don't know what the hell is really is.

[TwilightGardener]

22. Ack.

[Joe for Clark]

26. Give me a fucking break - you have no idea what you are

talking about - do ya???????

[TwilightGardener]

30. LOL! Just couldn't believe anyone would pick Holy Joe--at least Hagel

voted to restore habeas corpus and to end the war, and has a conscience. Lieberworm is useless. No offense intended.

[mentalsolstice]

23. A more interesting contest

LIEberman as a Dem or Lincoln Chafee as a puke (although he recently left the Repub party). I'd vote for Chafee in a NY minute. As far as Hagel goes, WYSIWYG, and I respect that, whereas, holy Joe only looks out for holy Joe. I'd have to stay home and crwal under the bed in a fetal position in that event.

[Cha]

25. We're safe...joe lieman isn't

a even a small d anymore..lieman was voted in on the Conn for lieberman party.

lieman is no dem.

And at least Hagel voted for the troops to get some rest.

[TomClash]

27. That's called Soviet voting

We get closer every day.

[Joe for Clark]

29. No - we get a choice - what is the central issue of this day??

[TomClash]

47. And what about the other issues?

They no longer matter because of Iraq?

[tabasco]

28. At what point does party not matter?

Possibly ONLY in your stupid scenario.

Lieberman will be a footnote to the Democratic Party after the next elections, and Hagel is generally a loyal Bush ass-kisser.

What is your purpose in postulating this stupid scenario?

[iamjoy]

34. Lieberman - No Contest

On every other issue his views are far closer to mine than Hagel.

* Joe Lieberman supports reproductive freedom. Chuck Hagel is Anti-Choice.

* Lieberman voted "Yes" to include sexual orientation in hate crimes. Hagel voted "No."

* Hagel supports a constitutional amendment to ban desecrating the Flag. Lieberman opposes.

* Hagel voted "YES" to allow drilling in ANWR for "national security" reasons. Lieberman voted no.

* Lieberman's record on public health issues is far better than Hagel's record.

* Lieberman is rated 100% by the AFL-CIO, as opposed to 8% for Hagel.

So, why in the heck anyone would back Hagel over Lieberman is beyond me. Sure Hagel is opposed to the war in Iraq, but there are other issues.

[TwilightGardener]

40. I picked Chuck, because he's my Senator and he does a good job--

But I just think he's the better person, with the courage to repeatedly stand up and do the right thing even against his own party and at the expense of his career. That holds more weight with me than whether or not someone's pro-union or pro-life or pro-flag-burning or whatever. Those issues aren't as important to me--what's important to me is whether someone believes that continuing the slaughter in Iraq is a good idea, or whether someone thinks we should keep Gitmo open or allow detainees the right to ask why they are detained. Joe is dead wrong on all these issues, and that means he has a scary worldview, no matter how pro-choice he is.

[aquart]

35. Straw men for straw votes?

How about dealing with the real elections?

[dsc]

38. Lieberman in a walk

Lieberman sponsered Connecticut's version of ENDA in the 1970's Hagel opposes it even now. Lieberman has a 100% enviromental record, Hagel near 0. Education funding Lieberman great record Hagel lousy. Kicking kids off insurance Hagel in favor, Lieberman opposed. On every single, solitary, issue I care about, except the war, Lieberman is good, Hagel is bad. And on the war, Hagel, hasn't voted, not even one single solitary time, to cut off funding.

[TankLV]

43. Oh my fucking god...

why are we not surprised...

chafing at the restrictions about not being allowed to support the repuke LIE ber man got to ya, huh?

[dsc]

49. I supported Lamont in the primary

if you don't believe me look it up. I also supported Lamont in the general election. The question was a binary option. Between those two Lieberman is easily the better choice. I realize for some the war is basicly the only issue. If I were straight and didn't work in education I might actually be in that camp. But unlike you, I am a third class citizen. That takes precedence for me over the war. Maybe that is selfish. I also am a teacher and Hagel would, like most Republicans, ruin public schools. That also takes precedence over the war. I also think global warming is real and will literally destroy the world. That takes precedence over the war. Again, you have the right to your own opinion. You don't have the right to make up shit about fellow posters.

[Joe for Clark]

44. He has a zero percent for survival of war -

Screw you Joe.

Joe - not Lieberman

[TankLV]

42. Neither. They're both scum...

That was easy - next!

[Joe for Clark]

45. But maybe there are no easy answers.

That is life.

[w8liftinglady]

46. hagel-at least he stands by his principles

[Prince Paul]

48. I'd vote for Lieberman

but only if we were voting to convict him of treason.

[LeftishBrit]

50. Translated into "Who would I vote for, Howard or Blair" - answer was a big fat NEITHER!