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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:18 PM
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Will the dollar completely collapse?
First, there is another discussion occuring here in GD about the affect of the Fed's rate cut on the dollar: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1840269&mesg_id=1840269

Now the dollar disaster may be coming home to roost.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml?xml=/money/2007/09/19/bcnsaudi119.xml">Fears of dollar collapse as Saudis take fright

Saudi Arabia has refused to cut interest rates in lockstep with the US Federal Reserve for the first time, signalling that the oil-rich Gulf kingdom is preparing to break the dollar currency peg in a move that risks setting off a stampede out of the dollar across the Middle East.

"This is a very dangerous situation for the dollar," said Hans Redeker, currency chief at BNP Paribas.

"Saudi Arabia has $800bn (£400bn) in their future generation fund, and the entire region has $3,500bn under management. They face an inflationary threat and do not want to import an interest rate policy set for the recessionary conditions in the United States," he said.

The Saudi central bank said today that it would take "appropriate measures" to halt huge capital inflows into the country, but analysts say this policy is unsustainable and will inevitably lead to the collapse of the dollar peg.

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And China:


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.jhtml;jsessionid=ZKR2ZCKB45XJNQFIQMFSFF4AVCBQ0IV0?xml=/money/2007/08/07/bcnchina107a.xml">China threatens 'nuclear option' of dollar sales

The Chinese government has begun a concerted campaign of economic threats against the United States, hinting that it may liquidate its vast holding of US treasuries if Washington imposes trade sanctions to force a yuan revaluation.

Two officials at leading Communist Party bodies have given interviews in recent days warning - for the first time - that Beijing may use its $1.33 trillion (£658bn) of foreign reserves as a political weapon to counter pressure from the US Congress.

Shifts in Chinese policy are often announced through key think tanks and academies.

Described as China's "nuclear option" in the state media, such action could trigger a dollar crash at a time when the US currency is already breaking down through historic support levels.

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Personally, I don't think there is any way that the dollar will collapse simply because it is just too entrenched and there is not really a viable replacement, including the Euro. But, if animosity toward the US is at a fever pitch, then it would not be complete impossible for the rest of the world to cripple us by destroying the dollar.

While this is going on, I am reminded of those mysterious SPY puts that were optioned for $7billion (give or take) and were set to pay off should the S & P drop to below 900 points (somebody correct me if my memory is off) by September 21. If I'm not mistaken, if this does not happen, the players will lose BIG time. But I digress because I'm a little fuzzy on such things.
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:23 PM
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1. Euro to dollar ratio will go past 140 to 150 soon - that EU vacation may be a thing of the past
n/t
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BB1 Donating Member (671 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:19 AM
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11. 1.40 this morning
stocks up in Europe, euro past $1.40. That's a first, I remember when the dollar started out better then the euro.
So're you're right on your predictions, albeit quicker then anybody thought
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:50 AM
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15. Wahnsinn!
Unfucking believable.

:woohoo:
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:25 AM
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17. Very believable
I saw this coming and switched my entire pension from dollars to Euros ages ago.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:16 AM
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18. yeah our financial advisor switched
our 401K to overseas funds too. thankfully.

what will stop this freefall?? it's scarey.
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Mojorabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:36 PM
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2. Why couldn't
the euro be a viable replacement? I can't see why anyone would want to hold our currency if they lose money by doing so. I think we lack a penny of being in parity with the canadian currency. I wish I understood economics better. It would help me know what to do with my assets.
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Lasher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:56 AM
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10. Consider non-US stock mutual funds
Investing in in international equities can help insulate your nest egg from the US dollar's decline.
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ThomWV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:47 AM
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14. I've been in them for 2 years now and things are going great!
Sorry to see all of you losing your retirement but I've got money in a european stock fund that has been returning over 30% per year. Anyone who bothered to look could have seen this comming and can see where its going - and the dollar is the loser.

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whoneedstickets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-19-07 11:40 PM
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3. If the US dollar ceases to be a reserve currency, we're toast...
..with the trade deficit we have the dollar should be lower than it currently is, much lower, only stable demand from the petro-markets and the global banking reserves has propped up its value since the 70's. We've all benefited in our standard of living. But the house of cards is going to topple someday. American living standards will plummet and we'll return to a society of gentry and servant classes.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:18 AM
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19. Aren't we almost there already?
"American living standards will plummet and we'll return to a society of gentry and servant classes."

:shrug:

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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:59 AM
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4. Venezuela too
There was an article the other day about Venezuela dumping dollars or going to Euros, maybe both. This is really not looking good.
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lovuian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:01 AM
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5. The NWO wants it too Amero is coming
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:03 AM
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7. You know that coin's a hoax, right?
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Kelly Rupert Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:02 AM
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6. Probably not.
The government is keeping the dollar weak on purpose, in order to act as a protectionist weapon of sorts--it makes imports expensive and makes exports cheap. It's kept our manufacturing economy intact, but they'll have to end that game soon enough; if the rest of the world begins divesting they'll change their tune.
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Macchendra Donating Member (108 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 01:38 AM
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8. Credit and Currency Must be...
...managed democratically. Not by private institutions.

If it is not even backed by Gold anymore, then why continue granting the sole right to print money to a private institution.

It is time to move from "wealth" (heh) backed currencies to a Labor backed currency.

We must also completely unite in our choice of currency or face being victimized by the shorting wars of currency manipulators.

Peace!
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 02:40 AM
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9. US rate cuts: Like a blow to the head
The US Federal Reserve's cuts of 50 basis points in both the Federal Funds target rate and the discount rate are a clear indication that it feels the surface calm that has returned to world equity markets is illusory. The move sent the greenback into a tailspin, while stocks surged. The cuts also put China, with its massive wad of cash kept as US dollars, in a fix. But the Fed, despite the debasement of its own currency and the defrauding of its lenders, can be expected to keep the party going with more cuts next month...>

http://www.atimes.com/
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no_hypocrisy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:43 AM
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12. Not in the best interests of our creditors if the dollar collapses.
We owe China trillions of dollars on their treasury notes. The dollar collapses and they lose billions on their investment due to devaluation of the currency. China isn't imprudent or stupid.
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Junkdrawer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:46 AM
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13. Ask this question: "What do we have to SELL?"...
Because, when all the smoke clears, that's the bottom.
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:15 AM
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16. Nah. The Dems will force some half-assed life support...
...and keep it going for the next Republican regime to pillage.
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