HEADS UP!!! The Cornyn and BOXER MOVEON.org resolutions debate NOW on Senate floor!

[in_cog_ni_to]

BOXER was PISSED as hell yesterday. THIS SHOULD BE VERY GOOD!

Cornyn has a Resolution that denounces the Moveon.org ad....Durbin and Boxer want to amend the Cornyn resolution to add the Swiftboating of John Kerry and Max Cleland.

On C-SPAN 2 NOW!

[in_cog_ni_to]

1. I might add...yesterday Cornyn REFUSED to let his dumb ass resolution be amended!

[ck4829]

2. Smart move by Boxer and Durbin, this should get interesting.

[rodeodance]

3. thanks

[rodeodance]

5. I heard Boxer and Durbin last night also. She was on a roll just adlibbing last night

[in_cog_ni_to]

9. Man, she was pissed! She's going through her whole argument now.

She's going to kick some ass today!

[halobeam]

4. watching ...

http://www.c-span.org/watch/cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[harun]

6. How is this even able to get to the floor?

[rodeodance]

14. Cornyn attached an amendment to an apporpriations bill

[The Stranger]

93. The Democrats outmaneuvered again? Color me suprised.

[Carolina]

159. Exactly!

That this came to the floor and is being debated is the height of ridiculousness.

What happened to "elections have consequences" if repukes outmaneuver the Dem majority at every turn?!

Color me fed up. But kudos to Boxer, nonetheless, for her consistent, fighting stance (NO on IWR, challenge to Condi as Secretary of State ...).

[KoKo]

170. Doesn't anyone read these bills? How is it the Dems weren't able to "sneak in Admendments"

yet now that they are in Power...the "sneaks" just keep coming and they have to fight back and usually lose. They don't seem to understand after all this time how to "anticipate" what is coming.

[rodeodance]

7. Please REC

[Cha]

8. Great, Barbara Boxer! That's

the way to go! No Quarter.

[spanone]

10. boxer doing a great job!!!!

[rusty quoin]

11. Go Boxer!

[VP505]

12. I am really really glad

to see the Dem's doing this, it way past time to stick it right back in the face of the RePukes.

[Major Hogwash]

13. So the Senate is debating about a private organization's freedom of expression?

Do I understand that correctly?

[Junkdrawer]

17. What a country....n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

20. Oh yes. You understand perfectly how INSANE the repuke party is! n/t

[harun]

21. I wonder if we will ever get grown ups elected in to public office,

it would be so nice.

[Skidmore]

That was my reaction exactly.

It's hard to believe that Cornyn was a judge.

[The Stranger]

Yes, and right after filibustering a measure to RESTORE HABEAS CORPUS and the CONSTITUTION.

[donkeyotay]

176. I think that's it. Not like the Congress has anything important to do.

Let me guess here and say that the Dems approve this latest loyalty test, don't get Boxer's amendment calling out the swiftboatings, and cave on the war appropriations bill, which if I heard Reid correctly, will be $200 Billion more. The Republicans are out of their minds. They have brought disaster to this country yet, they still monopolize the dialog at this level of BULLSHIT. No wonder congress has an 11% approval rating.

[rodeodance]

15. Dems are putting up a Counter amendment which includes ALL (not just one

organization)

[in_cog_ni_to]

16. Also...yesterday Durbin said the Cornyn resolution won't go anywhere unless he amends it to include

Kerry and Cleland. Durbin up NOW.

[harun]

28. Should also put in there denunciation of the Repukes at the Repuke

convention wearing purple heart band aids.

[in_cog_ni_to]

40. I THINK that was mentioned yesterday by Boxer or Durbin. I can't remember which one though.

[harun]

44. Cool !

[bdamomma]

18. kick

[bdamomma]

23. Durbin is kicking up, it's about fucking time.

come on guys kick them in the ass.

[rodeodance]

19. Dems frame this in FAIRNESS--------but Repugs do not click with that word.

[wtmusic]

22. Why the hell are they bothering to amend this piece of shit?

:grr:

[Enrique]

36. this exposes the GOP hypocrisy brilliantly

[VP505]

37. They are desperate

they are loosing on every front, its about all they have left. Right now Cornyn is accusing the Dem's of "trying to change the subject" damn is that rich or what?

[harun]

39. Freeps will do anything to distract from what is actually going on

no matter how tasteless.

[Cha]

46. Yes, what Enrique,

said!

[spirit of wine]

48. Maybe the reprblicans are afraid to divulge that Petreus

will be running for president in 2012, which is why he was chosen to be Bush's military mouthpiece. I have heard this in several places, making this as political as anything else.

Oh, what a tangled web we weave.

[rodeodance]

24. Dems have the Boxer amendment with Durbin cosponsering

[wtmusic]

25. Cornyn saying anything's fair game in a political campaign nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. Here's the mentally deranged Cornyn. Listen to this FOOL!

[spanone]

27. cornyn is full of shit. as if petreaus and the iraq war has nothing to do with politics

AND WHY IS CONGRESS WASTING THEIR TIME

[bdamomma]

29. Cornyn whining about the MOVE ON AD.

yea, you care about the troops but won't give them the time off. you fuck cornyn, they really think we are that stupid???

[rodeodance]

30. Did you hear that Bush got asked about this -last question at his presser today.

[marmar]

31. John Cornyn is a huge, huge, huge pile of shit.......

He's just as bad as Inhofe.

[rateyes]

32. Go Boxer, Go....

shove this right up Cornyn's, Suxby Chambliss', and the swiftboaters' asses.

[tandot]

33. K & R

Which Republicans denounced the swiftboat ads against Kerry and Cleland? Oh, wait...never mind :crazy:

[rusty quoin]

34. Cornyn has the gall to say "smokescreen"

[wtmusic]

35. This is smelling an awful lot like McCarthyism nt

[TwilightGardener]

38. This is such a sorry fucking joke. I can't believe they're wasting

taxpayers' time this way.

[rodeodance]

41. Bush: "I was disappointed that not more leaders in The "Democrat" party spoke out strongly about tha

Forum Name General Discussion
Topic subject "I was disappointed that not more leaders in The "Democrat" party spoke out strongly about that kind
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1855984#1855984
1855984, "I was disappointed that not more leaders in The "Democrat" party spoke out strongly about that kind
Posted by Maraya1969 on Thu Sep-20-07 10:25 AM

of ad" George W bush September 20, 2007


I'll speak out right now. Fuck you George Bush.

[Goblinmonger]

51. I cannot believe that more Democratic Senators

didn't speak out about the Republicans continuing to hose the habeous corpus rights of our citizens.

[bdamomma]

54. well guys we or Move on.org certainly hit a nerve didn't they

with this ad, maybe because it was THE TRUTH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[bdamomma]

42. what BS, now they want to really curtail free speech,

shut the fuck up cornyn.

[Goblinmonger]

43. Kiss my white ass, Senators.

I cannot believe that the democrats will just roll over and let the reestablishment of habeous corpus rights be shoved aside because the big bad republicans threaten a filibuster, but they will go on and on about whether a private organization should be able to buy ad space in a newspaper and express their opinions or something. And they wonder why people are pissed at them from within their own party. Damn. I mean, just DAMN.

[rodeodance]

45. Hey--and attach on a solder IS an attach on a soldier-retired or not -Idiot!

[truebrit71]

47. Cornyn is a whiney little baby...

Waaah!!!

Somebody needs to send the Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahmbulance...

What a piker...

[wtmusic]

49. Is there no business more important in the Senate

than censuring an independent org for their opinion? WTF have we come to?????

[wtmusic]

57. Boxer turning the tables..YOU GO nt

[rodeodance]

58. This is the Frist Congress all over again-Wedge issues

[spirit of wine]

67. Rather Kafka-esk, Don't you think?

our government is sliding down its own slope without realizing its own actions, :wtf:

[havocmom]

85. Shades of Teri's Law, anyone?

GOP campaigns on being the party of less government power and meddling in private lives while their actions are exactly the opposite.

[bunkerbuster1]

108. As long as there are >40 Gooper Senators willing to do the Preznit's bidding

perhaps the answer to that question is "No."

(I'm somewhat SERIES!!1!!)

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. Here she is again! Go Barbara!!!!!! She is one FANTASTIC LADY!

[Goblinmonger]

56. Where was she yesterday?

And are you really celebrating her arguing for the curtailment of free speech?

[Skidmore]

52. Dems should do nothing but a "no vote" or vote "no" on this crap.

[marmar]

61. Agree....I don't even like the substitute amendment.

With all the crises that need to be dealt with, they're busy rearranging deck chairs.

[rodeodance]

53. HA Ha-Boxer saying they did not read her amendment!! before they mouth off!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. Levin up now.

[harun]

62. Awesome points made by Levin

saying you cannot attack Kerry and Cleland's military record just because they were in political campaigns.

[truebrit71]

That maybe the case, but they are STILL knocking the MoveON ad as well...

..which is bullshit...

[rusty quoin]

59. Love how Cornyn opened this can of worms

Levin points out attacks on Cleland were attacks on his patriotism.

[bdamomma]

60. Levin is kicking up.

[rodeodance]

65. He did good.

[rodeodance]

70. k

[Oilwellian]

63. Perhaps Boxer can also show "BetrayUs" originated from....

troops in the field who served under him, over two years ago.

http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2007/9/18/215826/698

[in_cog_ni_to]

66. Oh, I'm so sure he will.

:eyes:

[rodeodance]

64. I hear McCain is out of state campaigning----so at least his bloviating will not be heard today

[Skidmore]

71. He was on the floor earlier and made a comment

that he wished this Iraq vote would "be out of the way" at which point I yelled obscenities at my poor muchly abused teevee.

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. I just saw him on the floor before this debate started. Sorry...he's there.

:puke:

[Roxy66]

68. Now we know why this question was set up for Bush's closing statement

in the press conference. They knew this was next to come up on the floor.

[wtmusic]

69. Cornyn going for smarmy, cheap emotional appeal

[truebrit71]

74. He knows his bullshit amendment will fail and needs to whine as much as possible..

...before it falls between the cracks...

[underpants]

73. This scum originally tried to attach this to a HUD appropriations bill

Well at least we have evidence that they know what HUD is, aside from a revenure source for their campaign contributors.

[truebrit71]

75. Now InbredHofe is up...

...where the fuck do these idiots come from?

[Enrique]

76. Cornyn says "this is the place to start"

having a bad time explaining why he wasn't so upset about the Swift Boat ads.

[AndyA]

77. Oh great - Inhofe up now.

What a waste of air.

[wtmusic]

78. Inhofe: "huge successes are taking place" (in Iraq)

Oh brother.

[in_cog_ni_to]

79. The idiots may not LIKE what Moveon.org's ad said, BUT THEY HAD EVERY RIGHT TO SAY IT!

IDIOTS.

[Skidmore]

81. k&r this response...

Yes, sir....

Absofreakinglutely!

[rodeodance]

80. Topic subject GOP's Cornyn To Introduce Senate Resolution Criticizing MoveOn Ad

Forum Name General Discussion: Politics
Topic subject GOP's Cornyn To Introduce Senate Resolution Criticizing MoveOn Ad
Topic URL http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3534734#3534734
3534734, GOP's Cornyn To Introduce Senate Resolution Criticizing MoveOn Ad
Posted by meegbear on Thu Sep-20-07 06:35 AM

As Congress considers a series of bills that would drastically alter the course of the Iraq war, one prominent Republican senator will be focusing his efforts on condemning a newspaper advertisement.

The Huffington Post has learned that Sen. John Cornyn, R-TX, will introduce a sense of the Senate resolution Thursday criticizing MoveOn.org's recent advertisement in the New York Times. The ad called into question the credibility of Lt. General David Petraeus, suggesting the pseudonym "Betray Us."

Cornyn's amendment proclaims that the general "deserves the full support of the Senate." The MoveOn advertisement, Cornyn's legislation states, not only "impugns the honor and integrity of General Petraeus," but "all the members of the United State Armed forces."

Perhaps in hopes of gaining support for his amendment, Cornyn's measure would also "reaffirm support for all the men and women of the United States Armed Forces."

Cornyn's bill comes on the heels of a GOP filibuster of an amendment, put forth by Sen. Jim Webb, D-VA, requiring that troops be given the same amount of time at home as they spend deployed abroad. A call to Cornyn's office to determine whether a vote against his measure would be regarded as a vote against the troops went unanswered.

Read the text of the amendment here.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2007/09/19/gops-cornyn-to-introduce_n_65104.html

[donkeyotay]

177. The betrayal refers to bush's political exploitation of the military,

typical of him using our institutions - the Just Us Department springs to mind - to advance his agenda. He admitted to USING the General to deliver his message because bush has no credibility. Kind of reminds me of Colin Powell. Someone ask Petraeus if anyone has EVER used this particular pun on his name. Someone ask bush if using the troops for stage props endorsing his policies "impugns" their "integrity." Bush has politicized OUR government as HIS, and Rove is the attack ad's poster child. What hypocrites. Bush and the GOP have betrayed us, and Petraeus was just the latest deflection shield.

Cornyn's amendment proclaims that the general "deserves the full support of the Senate." The MoveOn advertisement, Cornyn's legislation states, not only "impugns the honor and integrity of General Petraeus," but "all the members of the United State Armed forces."

[in_cog_ni_to]

82. Now voting on Boxer amendment

[rodeodance]

83. Boxer Amendment up on for Roll call-------

[rodeodance]

84. Can anyone hear the aye and nays??

[in_cog_ni_to]

90. nope. They'll be reported after the vote is finished. n/t

[me b zola]

86. Feingold voted NO!

:applause:

[rodeodance]

89. I am confused.

[me b zola]

138. Well, I came in late

and I thought that they were voting on the publican propaganda. Still, I agree with his vote even though it was against Boxer's amendment.

Think about it. Should we not be able to say negative things about those who commit war atrocities?

[Inuca]

161. It's quite unbelievable actually

That the Rs are voting in BLOCK against this, except Hagel that is probably not spoken to anymore and probably is less welcome in their caucus than Craig. I expcetd the "moderates" to vote yes on both Boxer and Cornyn. They do live in a bizarro world.

Wow! Just heard Specter and Stevens vote aye.

[Roxy66]

91. Where are you getting the vote tally?

[me b zola]

146. I am watching live

I saw Feingold vote.

[rodeodance]

87. k

[Ian David]

88. Fuck them. I'm donating $29.47 to MoveOn.org

I chose the amount of $29.47 in honor of Barbara Boxer's Amendement number 2947 to the Repuke bill.
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/donate.html



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[Matariki]

125. Brillaint idea!

I just copied you and did the same.

May I suggest starting a new post for this? It would be cool to get lots of people doing it!

[Ian David]

163. Thanks, and already started a new thread

Fuck the Republickers. I just donated $29.47 to MoveOn.org
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1856539

[rodeodance]

92. I hear the names being called out by not the responses (Internet listening)

[in_cog_ni_to]

96. and I'm watching the teevee and hearing the same thing.

[Roxy66]

103. I wish they would show the vote tally on the screen...like they do for the House

[rusty quoin]

94. Feingold nay?

[spanone]

95. did i just fucking hear that???

[Roxy66]

98. What the hell is wrong with that lady?

[TwilightGardener]

104. Feingold aint' no lady--unless that was a joke?

[MiniMe]

109. Russ Feingold, not DiFi

[TwilightGardener]

99. Hagel aye, but Feingold nay? My world is topsy turvy.

[jefferson_dem]

100. Heard that.

:wow:

We'll see if he changes his vote...which can happen. Otherwise, i'm flummoxed.

[wtmusic]

107. A guess is that he will vote no on Cornyn's bill

the Senate has no business censoring a private entity's opinion.

[halobeam]

165. THANK YOU. I thought I was losing my mind for a second!!

I can't understand why some think our senators should vote FOR either of these amendments. They both do EXACTLY what you are saying.

[rusty quoin]

151. An earlier post

"I don't expect Democrats to vote for this."
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1855702&mesg_id=1855702

[rateyes]

155. You're kidding me...

what's wrong?

[rodeodance]

97. I head it --FEINGOLD say NO. What is Going on?

[rodeodance]

101. sounds like only about 10 Senators in the well. so will have to wit???

[in_cog_ni_to]

102. GOOD QUESTION!

:grr:

[Mass]

111. My guess is that Feingold thinks the subject does not belong to the Senate floor, period!

[truebrit71]

114. Or he thought it was on the Cornyn amendement not the Boxer one..

...either way it needs to get cleared up, becuase if he voted AGAINST it he has some explaining to do...

[Skidmore]

105. Nelson from FL "Aye", McCain "No"... Mrs. Clinton "Aye"...

...............................................

Trent FreakingLott and Bond voted "No" for keerist's sake.

[rodeodance]

106. mcCain, NO, Baccus aye, Casey Aye, Sessions NO, Martineuz NO, Colburn NO

[TwilightGardener]

110. Did the Maine sisters vote yet?

[Skidmore]

116. Haven't heard their names mentioned, but the Dems fell for this one

and I've heard quite a few "Ayes" from them. Saxby Dork Chambliss voted "No"....ah, Collins voted "No".

[rodeodance]

113. Bond, no, Buning, NO, Laud No, Clinton AYE, Chamblizz NO,, Cardin Aye, Webb Aye

[rodeodance]

121. Johnson AYE, Sanders Aye, Byrd, Aye, Accaka, aye, Collins NO, Bye, Aye, Mukilski AYE Leahy Aye

[rodeodance]

128. Shumer aye, alexander and grassley NO, Berrassso No, Burr NO, Coleman NO,

[rodeodance]

136. LIEBERMan, Kohl, Kennedy AYE, Kyle NO, Ensie NO,

[rodeodance]

143. Hutchenson, lugar, Demint, NO, lincoln aye, Dole no, Deminihche no SNOWE NO

[TwilightGardener]

112. Chambliss no--won't vote to condemn himself--fucking putz.

[annabanana]

115. (sending a few more bucks to MoveOn)

Anyone who can cause this much ruckas deserves a bill or two!
http://moveon.org/

[in_cog_ni_to]

117. Here's a new thread!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1856617&mesg_id=1856617

[radfringe]

118. whatch'em whine

[TwilightGardener]

119. Collins no--bitch.

[Roxy66]

120. Collins...NO

[Roxy66]

122. Anyone keeping a tally?

[Roxy66]

127. If this comes down to the Feingold "No" vote.....he is dirt!!!

[bluedog]

123. GOP okays slander against War Vets n/t

[The Count]

124. WATCHING. PARTY LINE.

[Skidmore]

133. Wait a minute...They are voting on the Boxer amendent or on the

Cornyn BS? I just realized they may not be voting on what I though they were.

[rateyes]

137. Hell, if it passes, then Cornyn might be put in the position

to vote against his own amendment!!! :rofl:

[TwilightGardener]

126. Byrd--no???

[Mass]

131. Burr, not Byrd. Lieberman AYE, more surprising!

[TwilightGardener]

135. Good--thanks.

[truebrit71]

132. He voted aye...as did Lieberman...

..

[Roxy66]

134. BYRD said NO??!

[TwilightGardener]

139. I misheard--he's an aye.

[truebrit71]

140. See above..he voted Aye.

.

[rateyes]

144. You're kidding me.

Criminey.

[halobeam]

149. I'm glad Dems are voting no, as they should vote no on Cornyns also.

This senate has two ammendments BOTH denouncing our freedom of speech. NO WAY should either pass. MoveOn wrote THE TRUTH. It's their right to say whatever they want, you want our Dems to vote to say they shouldn't have that right anymore?

[rateyes]

129. Hey! On a party line vote...

if Lieberman has a moment of sanity and votes AYE, the Boxer amendment might just pass!!

[TwilightGardener]

130. Lieberman aye. For once.

[rateyes]

145. Are you hoping, or did he really vote Aye? nt

[TwilightGardener]

147. He did.

[rateyes]

152. Good.

Must be a full moon out.

[wtmusic]

156. Out of unwavering dedication to the Democratic party

:eyes:

[spanone]

158. but, feingold...no

[gilpo]

141. What a Fucking WASTE of TIME! n/t

[Roxy66]

142. Snowe...NO! Dammit!

[rodeodance]

148. CRAIG, NO< WARNER NO, COOKER NO, KERRY AYE, Brownshirt NO, Thurne NO,

[rateyes]

150. Nelson of Nebraska, aye....will wonders never cease!

[graywarrior]

154. No shit, huh?

[rateyes]

162. Hey Graywarrior...

How ya doin? Yeah, no shit.

[graywarrior]

169. I'm getting really irritated with the republicans

Grrrrrrrrr.

[rateyes]

172. It looks like a few Dems are caving on this next vote....

figures.

[graywarrior]

173. I'm way past being civil.

I want to kick some ass now.

[rateyes]

174. I'm with you. nt

[rodeodance]

153. NeLSON of NK AYE (whow), Bennet NO, anyone keeping track? Dodd aye, shelby no Feinsten and Obama

AYE

[rodeodance]

157. carper ayes, Rocky aye, salazar no, smith NO,

[Mass]

160. Salazar NO?? Stevens AYE??

What is wrong!

[Roxy66]

What the fuck...they need 60 votes to pass anything???!!!

[truebrit71]

166. What the fuck is up with that?

:shrug:

[iamthebandfanman]

175. its only for amendments, so far as i know

super majority is needed... but if its a senate rule and senate rules can be changed....

[rodeodance]

164. 51 to 46 need 60 boxer amendment is withdrawn

[marmar]

167. McConnell IS FULL OF ELEPHANT SHIT!

How can he stand there and spray such kaka around the Senate floor.

[wtmusic]

168. McConnell smearing MoveOn

can we resurrect the unAmerican Activities Committee????

Ferchrissake.

[wtmusic]

171. Cornyn says it's 'not OK' for Moveon to express their opinion

We have entered the Twilight Zone