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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:56 AM
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Kerry in Florida: "The so-called war on terror is a public relations agenda"
I wonder why the media didn't jump on this comment: The so-called war on terror is a public relations agenda. They could have at least covered the content of the speech.

They could have contrasted Bush's war on terror (with all its propaganda) to Kerry's views on fighting real terrorism, NYT 2004 article:

When I asked Kerry what it would take for Americans to feel safe again, he displayed a much less apocalyptic worldview. ''We have to get back to the place we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance,'' Kerry said. ''As a former law-enforcement person, I know we're never going to end prostitution. We're never going to end illegal gambling. But we're going to reduce it, organized crime, to a level where it isn't on the rise. It isn't threatening people's lives every day, and fundamentally, it's something that you continue to fight, but it's not threatening the fabric of your life.''

This analogy struck me as remarkable, if only because it seemed to throw down a big orange marker between Kerry's philosophy and the president's. Kerry, a former prosecutor, was suggesting that the war, if one could call it that, was, if not winnable, then at least controllable. If mobsters could be chased into the back rooms of seedy clubs, then so, too, could terrorists be sent scurrying for their lives into remote caves where they wouldn't harm us. Bush had continually cast himself as the optimist in the race, asserting that he alone saw the liberating potential of American might, and yet his dark vision of unending war suddenly seemed far less hopeful than Kerry's notion that all of this horror -- planes flying into buildings, anxiety about suicide bombers and chemicals in the subway -- could somehow be made to recede until it was barely in our thoughts.

Kerry came to his worldview over the course of a Senate career that has been, by any legislative standard, a quiet affair. Beginning in the late 80's, Kerry's Subcommittee on Terrorism, Narcotics and International Operations investigated and exposed connections between Latin American drug dealers and BCCI, the international bank that was helping to launder drug money. That led to more investigations of arms dealers, money laundering and terrorist financing.

Kerry turned his work on the committee into a book on global crime, titled ''The New War,'' published in 1997. He readily admitted to me that the book ''wasn't exclusively on Al Qaeda''; in fact, it barely mentioned the rise of Islamic extremism. But when I spoke to Kerry in August, he said that many of the interdiction tactics that cripple drug lords, including governments working jointly to share intelligence, patrol borders and force banks to identify suspicious customers, can also be some of the most useful tools in the war on terror.

''Of all the records in the Senate, if you don't mind my saying, I think I was ahead of the curve on this entire dark side of globalization,'' he said. ''I think that the Senate committee report on contras, narcotics and drugs, et cetera, is a seminal report. People have based research papers on it. People have based documents on it, movies on it. I think it was a significant piece of work.''

More senior members of the foreign-relations committee, like Joe Biden and Richard Lugar, were far more visible and vocal on the emerging threat of Islamic terrorism. But through his BCCI investigation, Kerry did discover that a wide array of international criminals -- Latin American drug lords, Palestinian terrorists, arms dealers -- had one thing in common: they were able to move money around through the same illicit channels. And he worked hard, and with little credit, to shut those channels down.

In 1988, Kerry successfully proposed an amendment that forced the Treasury Department to negotiate so-called Kerry Agreements with foreign countries. Under these agreements, foreign governments had to promise to keep a close watch on their banks for potential money laundering or they risked losing their access to U.S. markets. Other measures Kerry tried to pass throughout the 90's, virtually all of them blocked by Republican senators on the banking committee, would end up, in the wake of 9/11, in the USA Patriot Act; among other things, these measures subject banks to fines or loss of license if they don't take steps to verify the identities of their customers and to avoid being used for money laundering.

Through his immersion in the global underground, Kerry made connections among disparate criminal and terrorist groups that few other senators interested in foreign policy were making in the 90's. Richard A. Clarke, who coordinated security and counterterrorism policy for George W. Bush and Bill Clinton, credits Kerry with having seen beyond the national-security tableau on which most of his colleagues were focused. ''He was getting it at the same time that people like Tony Lake were getting it, in the '93 -'94 time frame,'' Clarke says, referring to Anthony Lake, Clinton's national security adviser. ''And the 'it' here was that there was a new nonstate-actor threat, and that nonstate-actor threat was a blended threat that didn't fit neatly into the box of organized criminal, or neatly into the box of terrorism. What you found were groups that were all of the above.''

In other words, Kerry was among the first policy makers in Washington to begin mapping out a strategy to combat an entirely new kind of enemy. Americans were conditioned, by two world wars and a long standoff with a rival superpower, to see foreign policy as a mix of cooperation and tension between civilized states. Kerry came to believe, however, that Americans were in greater danger from the more shadowy groups he had been investigating -- nonstate actors, armed with cellphones and laptops -- who might detonate suitcase bombs or release lethal chemicals into the subway just to make a point. They lived in remote regions and exploited weak governments. Their goal wasn't to govern states but to destabilize them.

The challenge of beating back these nonstate actors -- not just Islamic terrorists but all kinds of rogue forces -- is what Kerry meant by ''the dark side of globalization.'' He came closest to articulating this as an actual foreign-policy vision in a speech he gave at U.C.L.A. last February. ''The war on terror is not a clash of civilizations,'' he said then. ''It is a clash of civilization against chaos, of the best hopes of humanity against dogmatic fears of progress and the future.''

This stands in significant contrast to the Bush doctrine, which holds that the war on terror, if not exactly a clash of civilizations, is nonetheless a struggle between those states that would promote terrorism and those that would exterminate it. Bush, like Kerry, accepts the premise that America is endangered mainly by a new kind of adversary that claims no state or political entity as its own. But he does not accept the idea that those adversaries can ultimately survive and operate independently of states; in fact, he asserts that terrorist groups are inevitably the subsidiaries of irresponsible regimes. ''We must be prepared to stop rogue states and their terrorist clients,'' the National Security Strategy said, in a typical passage, ''before they are able to threaten or use weapons of mass destruction against the United States and our allies and friends.''

By singling out three states in particular- Iraq, North Korea and Iran -- as an ''axis of evil,'' and by invading Iraq on the premise that it did (or at least might) sponsor terrorism, Bush cemented the idea that his war on terror is a war against those states that, in the president's words, are not with us but against us. Many of Bush's advisers spent their careers steeped in cold-war strategy, and their foreign policy is deeply rooted in the idea that states are the only consequential actors on the world stage, and that they can -- and should -- be forced to exercise control over the violent groups that take root within their borders.

Kerry's view, on the other hand, suggests that it is the very premise of civilized states, rather than any one ideology, that is under attack. And no one state, acting alone, can possibly have much impact on the threat, because terrorists will always be able to move around, shelter their money and connect in cyberspace; there are no capitals for a superpower like the United States to bomb, no ambassadors to recall, no economies to sanction. The U.S. military searches for bin Laden, the Russians hunt for the Chechen terrorist Shamil Basayev and the Israelis fire missiles at Hamas bomb makers; in Kerry's world, these disparate terrorist elements make up a loosely affiliated network of diabolical villains, more connected to one another by tactics and ideology than they are to any one state sponsor. The conflict, in Kerry's formulation, pits the forces of order versus the forces of chaos, and only a unified community of nations can ensure that order prevails.

One can infer from this that if Kerry were able to speak less guardedly, in a less treacherous atmosphere than a political campaign, he might say, as some of his advisers do, that we are not in an actual war on terror. Wars are fought between states or between factions vying for control of a state; Al Qaeda and its many offspring are neither. If Kerry's foreign-policy frame is correct, then law enforcement probably is the most important, though not the only, strategy you can employ against such forces, who need passports and bank accounts and weapons in order to survive and flourish. Such a theory suggests that, in our grief and fury, we have overrated the military threat posed by Al Qaeda, paradoxically elevating what was essentially a criminal enterprise, albeit a devastatingly sophisticated and global one, into the ideological successor to Hitler and Stalin -- and thus conferring on the jihadists a kind of stature that might actually work in their favor, enabling them to attract more donations and more recruits.



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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:58 AM
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1. Kerry ought to find a hole and hide in it for a while.. he has no right
to speak for the war on terror sham... He allowed someone to fry on his watch.... I have no respect for him at all now.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:04 AM
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4. "he has no right to speak for the war on terror sham... "
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 11:18 AM by ProSense
A little hypocritical huh? I thought there was consensus among the Kerry bashers that even the asshole self-described heckler had the right to speak. The right which Kerry acknowledges he has.



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Apollo11 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:09 AM
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5. "I got your back"
Remember what Kerry's staffers used to say during the 2004 campaign? (even after he lost)

My question to Senator Kerry is this:
"Who had Andrew Meyer's back when police officers used physical force to remove him from a public event before you had even started to answer his questions about election theft and impeachment?"
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:16 AM
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6. He tried to STOP it by telling cops he'd answer -
the cops did and then re-assessed and took the guy down.

You have no respect for the ONE person in that scenario who acted appropriately while the others involved over-reacted, from the exaggerated erratic behavior of Meyers to the fear of the cop when he struck her as they were subduing him.

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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:26 PM
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13. What were you watching? Sorry, college campus is the last place
we subdue thought and question.... bull shit.. its turning into a police state.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:57 PM
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18. And the last place that students expect to get shot at by nutcases - and though
Meyers is not a nutcase shooter, he certainly put on an exaggerated display of erratic behavior to attain a result he wanted to catch on film.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:23 AM
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7. BTW - Kerry had been exposing the terror networks since the 80s and BushInc's involvement
in the BCCI dealings and CIA drugrunning that was part of it.

Kerry risked his life for years to expose those illegal operations and DOES deserve the right to continue to speak about it.

Had YOU and many others in this country paid attention to his work at the time, most of BushInc would have been jailed. Bush2 never would have been possible. No 9-11 event would have occured and no Iraq war would be happening now.

If you can't understand the import of BCCI and this whole 'war on terror' environment then that speaks to YOUR priorities here on this thread.

This event was blown into a media spectacle to distract from the very important points made by Kerry that day.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:27 PM
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14. Sweet pea, I was barely out of diapers then.. and if his work had
been so beneficial... another bush would not have been elected... but thanks.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:40 PM
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15. You skipped the part where other Democrats in power helped protect Bush1
Once THEY got into office. Swept the ongoing investigations right under the rug.

BCCI is at the core of everything happening today. You either get that or you don't. To not know about and understand BCCI at all is a sign that you haven't earned the right to tell Kerry to go away.
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glowing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:56 PM
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21. right now I do... The things the kid was asking was part of the conspiracy
going on in the inner circles.. answer questions and they go to bed and real truths come out. I feel like I'm living in one fucked up lie. There is not one straight answer that comes out of too many. The govt works for us, not the other way around. Its time for them all to retire and we will start over with real people that really represent us.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:14 PM
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23. Study up on BCCI and you will understand that the anti-corruption,
open government wing of the Democratic party prefers that the best lawmaker in DC on those issues sticks around.

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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:38 AM
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9. What do you mean "allowed someone to fry on his watch"?
Could you explicate?
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trumad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:41 PM
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16. Oh stfu!
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sicksicksick_N_tired Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:57 PM
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19. From time to time, I read some truly exceptional posts on DU.
This is not one of them.

Good grief!
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_dynamicdems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 09:09 PM
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37. He's not hiding in a hole. He's doing his job.
Maybe you think the world should stop because a group of campus police tasered one guy with a big mouth. It's naive to think that this was some kind of first. The only reason it got any attention is because 1. The guy was looking for confrontation and has been capitalizing on his own misfortune ever since and 2. the incident took place at a Kerry speech. Let me ask you, would this have gotten the air play it did if it happened at a Bush speech? You know it wouldn't. And let's face it, as terrible an experience as it was, the guy is milking it for all it's worth. Before the tasering he was just an asshole NOBODY (except Senator Kerry, who was rather gracious in agreeing to answer his question) wanted to listen to (certainly the people he pushed aside to grab that mike didn't much care about what that guy had to say) and now he's a cause.

You want a real freedom of speech cause here it is: how about some concern about the "incidents" the news doesn't cover...like all the people arrested for having bumper stickers or t-shirts that don't agree with the repugs. THIS happens ALL the time. People are dragged out of Congress and arrested. Some are thrown to the ground and others have had severe injuries for doing NOTHING but speaking their minds. Why doesn't anyone seem to care about these incidents? Remember the post a while back by the grandmother arrested and manhandled for holding an anti-war sign on a bridge? Why wasn't this all over the news? She wasn't resisting arrest. She was just standing there and holding a damn sign. Where was effing Tweetie when her rights were violated by OFFICERS OF THE LAW, not just a bunch of campus bozos?

Now if people like you would just let the senator do his job (instead of whining about his not leaping from the stage like Superman and helped the young man resist arrest), we would be a little bit further along with issues that really matter...like Iraq, terrorism and the real violations of our freedoms that are being institutionalized by a criminal president and a Machiavellian GOP.

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zulchzulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 10:59 AM
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2. K&R - Thank you Senator n/t
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:02 AM
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3. Thanks, Kerry, for saying this
truism.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:25 AM
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8. Kerry was all over the WOT during his presidential campaign....
That's one of the main reasons I didn't vote for him-- that and his insistence that the war against Iraq needed to go on, and his votes in favor of the war, funding the war, etc. But to hear him acknowledge now that the WOT is a scam is a bit surreal. Better late than never, though.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:53 PM
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17. Distortion - complete distortion.
You want us to believe that you don't see any difference at all in Kerry's plan in fall of 2004 to stabilize Iraq for the elections using a temporary addition of 40,000 troops so that the UN and NATO would come in and takeover the mission of working with Iraqis to rebuild their country, and US could turn over the permanent bases they were building to the Iraqi people and the troops could begin to pull out by summer of 2005....

and

Bush's surge?

I trust that Kofi Annan shared with his close friend John Kerry exactly what he needed to get the UN to come in at that point.

BTW - Kerry has always said that terrorism should be fought as a law enforcement issue with special forces used to corner the terror cells that have been tracked. Or do you not recall the mocking he took for being soft on terrorism?

One would have to reach far to pretend they didn't understand Kerry's position on this.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:35 PM
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30. please-- we've had this discussion numerous times and it gets us nowhere....
I post quotes of Kerry saying one thing, you post quotes of him saying another. We HAVE done that numerous times, if I'm not mistaken. It produces lots of heat, but little light.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:17 PM
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25. So you voted for his opponent?
Brilliant.
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:33 PM
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29. absolutely....
David Cobb.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 07:55 PM
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31. You must be really proud that you helped him end the war. n/t
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 07:56 PM by ProSense
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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:04 PM
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32. thank you, yes...
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 08:04 PM by mike_c
...I am proud. I believed John Kerry was the wrong leader for America and I'm proud to have voted for someone who better represented the America I want to live in. Indeed I am.
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:10 PM
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33. "I believed John Kerry was the wrong leader for America"
So you settled for the right leader so you can continue living in Bush's America?

Brilliant!

Has your idealism worn off yet? How long are you will to live in GOP America until your miracle happens?


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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:13 PM
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34. why do you hate democracy...?
:shrug:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:17 PM
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35. I love democracy, but I can ask you the same question
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 08:17 PM by ProSense
because you contributed one less vote to ensuring that Bush was removed from office. Bush is trying his best to kill democracy. So having voted this way you really can't complain about the Democrats. You were willing to accept Bush because you did not want Kerry.

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mike_c Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 08:23 PM
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36. well, if you're such a fan of democracy, let's shake hands and celibrate...
...our mutual freedom to select from a list of candidates the one that best represents our individual-- and different-- political interests. Thank you for voting as your conscience dictated! THAT is how democracy is strengthened.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:53 AM
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10. BushFlash: KERRY SUPPORTS PROSTITUTION!!!!
You read it here first...
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:14 PM
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11. They're more likely to be caught being hypcrites
Snow: You know, I think what you've managed to do is to try to -- we're now playing the adjective game. The fact is when you talk about an acceptable level, it is something that allows the government to exist independently. The problem is, everybody says, "Oh, so you accept violence. You like -- violence is OK." No, it's not OK. And so in abstract terms, zero violence is acceptable.

On the other hand, we know and the president has said many times that it is going to be a tactic of people who want to bring this government down to commit acts of violence. And violence, unfortunately, at least for a while, is going to be a fact of Iraqi life. What we're really talking about is trying to create conditions of security so that you can have a functional democracy in Iraq where people can go about their daily lives, where they have confidence in the rule of law and the people who are responsible for protecting them, that you have a legislative system that is protecting rights and at the same time getting on with the business -- economic reconstruction and so on. So that's really what we're talking about. What you're trying to do is to address the kinds of violence that are designed to destroy Iraq; for instance, al-Qaida recent attacks that are designed not only to create a lot of bloodshed and to weaken the government but also to reignite sectarian violence ... And so those are the issues, those that jeopardize the very existence of the government. Those are the things that we want to address.

Reporter: Minimize violence to a nuisance?

Snow: What you want to do is to be able to have the government in a position where it can stand by itself. And I think trying to get into definitional matters at this point is ...

Reporter: In October of 2004 John Kerry said, "We have to get to the place where we were, where terrorists are not the focus of our lives, but they're a nuisance." The president said he couldn't disagree more. Cheney called this naive and dangerous, and part of the pre-9/11 mind-set. So does the president now have a pre-9/11 mind-set?

Snow: No, the president does not have a pre-9/11 mind-set. And the fact is -- I'll have to go back and take a look, but my recollection is that there was an attempt to, kind of, minimize some of the security challenges. But I don't want to put words in Senator Kerry's mouth without looking back at the 2004 debate. It is important to realize that you're going to have to use military force, and especially in conjunction with the Iraqis, to address violence that comes from a whole series of factors, whether they be old members of the Baath Party, whether they be Iraqi rejectionists or whether they be foreign fighters coming in and trying to destroy the government.

link



When the Republicans aren't doing propaganda, they're doing hypocrisy!


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superkia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:59 PM
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12. Colin Powell warns of a terrorism industrial complex that...
will only thrive if the government can keep us in fear. What will they do once Americans get numb to the propaganda threats? Will they attack us? Will they allow someone else to attack us? Either way something will happen to keep the business going. Clinton already had a dinner I believe that had some folds from the terrorism industry there. Raising money from people that can only make money if we are fearful, is that good practice from a PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE? Listen to how much certain candidates talk about terrorism and terrorists instead of the real issues like Kucinich does. What is their agenda?
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 04:07 PM
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20. Wow, what a "spineless" congressional Democrat! Damn him!
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L. Coyote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 05:59 PM
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22. Are the Sandinista terrorists on the Texas border yet? It is an old RUSE!
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:15 PM
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24. No wonder they pulled that cute stunt!
We've known this for years but finally somebody in Congress has the guts to actually say it?!

"The so-called war on terror is a public relations agenda," Kerry said.

WOO HOO! :woohoo: WOO HOO! :woohoo: WOO HOO! :woohoo: WOO HOO! :woohoo:
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:18 PM
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26. They've been pulling these media stunts on Kerry every time he hits them
with the truth for over three decades.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:23 PM
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27. And people wonder why he didn't squawk like a hen
when the swiftboaters took to the airwaves in '04. Like it would have done any good.
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 06:50 PM
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28. This is big!
:kick:
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ProSense Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:37 PM
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38. Kick! n/t
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dailykoff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:37 AM
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39. For anyone wondering why they needed a distraction.
:kick:
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