Moveon.org resolution thread #2

[in_cog_ni_to]

Here's thread #1:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1856154&mesg_id=1856154

[MiniMe]

1. Collins NO on the Boxer amendment.

Which is OK if she votes NO on the Coryn amendment too.

[in_cog_ni_to]

4. You never know what she'll do though.

[harun]

2. Lieberman voted aye (n/t)

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

14. That shocked me. nt

[The Count]

3. Your link on the previous thread leads to a "reply"

Lugar - No

[in_cog_ni_to]

5. ah crap...I'll go change it. Thanks.

[Cameron27]

6. Thanks for the heads up

K&R

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. Warner NO

[TwilightGardener]

8. Snowe--no. Is Hagel the only 'Pub to vote aye so far?

[spanone]

9. they are saving it for the cornyn anti first amendment bs

[TwilightGardener]

10. Nelson aye--Nebraska, that is. Can't let Hagel be more of a Democrat than he is!

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. Feinstein aye Obama aye Ensign no Hatch no Whitehouse aye Salazar aye Carper aye

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. Lautenberg aye Smith no

[The Count]

16. Specter - yes?

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Harkin aye Conrad aye

[againes654]

15. wow, I am seeing you before cspan

lol

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Speceter aye??? Stevens aye???? Hell froze over!

[Roxy66]

18. Spector and stevensAYE!!!

[TwilightGardener]

19. Specter and Stevens aye.

[truebrit71]

20. Specter Aye? DO my ears deceive me?

:wow:

[TwilightGardener]

23. Stevens and Specter knew it wasn't going to pass. Safe vote.

[spanone]

21. so much for the boxer amendment

[karlrschneider]

24. No shit.

:grr:

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Amendment failed. ASSHOLE REPUKES SUCK! They're so HATEFUL! That was to condemn the SWIFTBOATING of

THEIR colleague JOHN KERRY and Ex colleague Max Cleland!

[Matariki]

31. Well I'm going to throw up if the Coryn amendment passes. n/t

[TwilightGardener]

32. I'll join you in the vomitorium.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Ah crap....McConnell is up whining now!

[spanone]

26. mitch, mitch, you son of a bitch . the thugs put petreaus above the constitution

[truebrit71]

28. Now he's smearing MoveOn.Org ....very bad idea...

....

[TwilightGardener]

27. Dems--HOLD THE FUCKING LINE NOW!!!! No on Cornyn--please!

[graywarrior]

29. Aer we done playing nice now??????

Can we doing something about these fucks?

[spanone]

30. Wow, move on is a pacifist organization....god help us

[sidwill]

33. How fucking idiotic

is our leadership?

We always try to act fairly while the Pukes never give an inch even when they know they are full of shit they never yield an inch. All the while we react to their complaints as if they are valid because we are afraid to look strong.

I would say Fuck em, but if we do we would be stuck with far,far, worse.

[rudy23]

145. This is the crux of how we've gotten to this point.

We're really living up to that adage about liberals being too broad minded to take their own side in an argument.

[robinlynne]

170. I dont think it is because we are liberals. I think it is because so many are AFRAID TO BE

LIBERALS. They are playing the republican game day after day as if it were the only way to play. (only none of it is a game.)

[Cameron27]

34. I hope the Democrats don't let McConnell get away with this shit.

[rodeodance]

37. Mitch is dark vadder ii

[rodeodance]

35. NEEDS some RECS

[soothsayer]

36. that thing about not watching laws or sausages be made is right. sickening.

[underpants]

38. MConnell is making a complete ass of himself

Do we trust MoveON or Patraeus?
Do we believe MoveOn that Patraeus is a traitor?
THOSE are the choices

MoveOn had a commercial equating Bush with Hitler

MoveOn supported a Pacifist agenda against alQaeda

On to biography of Patraeus.

[underpants]

Reid:"This is not the Patraeus war this is the Bush war"

[rodeodance]

39. some votes on this previous link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1856154&mesg_id=1856154

[Zookeeper]

40. K&R. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. Harry Reid up now.

[TwilightGardener]

44. Fight back, Harry. Get into the ring and throw some punches.

[harun]

45. Reid should not call McConnel his friend, Mitch is a monster (n/t)

[Coexist]

42. just home on lunch break quick to take dog out - whats the count so far?

thanks!!!!!!

[rodeodance]

48. they are about to vote on the Corny amendment.

[Coexist]

51. thanks so much! I am listening to Reid condemn swiftboaters.

hows it been going?

[rodeodance]

43. Boxer Amendment had to be WithDRAWN cause not 60 votes (51-46). GAWD this one

HAS to go down also!!

[spanone]

46. give em hell harry

[in_cog_ni_to]

47. HA! He's hitting them on the Webb Amendment they stopped yesterday.

They're a bunch of fucking hypocrites.

[truebrit71]

53. Swiftboat Demons! I like it!!

>

[spanone]

49. no republican outrage for max cleland...heartless bastards

[Cameron27]

50. Good Reid brings up Max Cleland.

Ran ads against Max Cleland. Did I hear my friends speak out against the ads against John Kerry?

[malaise]

56. And John Kerry

Dems better not support this crap.

[Bluerthanblue]

58. he 's right on! and using this moment for its

fullest effect.

I'm impressed.

[babylonsister]

52. Reid inserting a bit of sanity into this moronic discussion. nt

[rodeodance]

54. Come ON Harry-Put a little ZIP in your voice but bringing up Max Cleland and Kerry which NO

Repugs complained.

[TwilightGardener]

55. Harry--doing a good job fighting fire with fire.

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. It REALLY, REALLY, REALLY pisses me off that the Dems say they don't support the Moveon ad!

I guess you have to worship the military now? No matter if they're a bunch of LIARS...like Colin Powell and Petraeus?

[TwilightGardener]

61. Political smarts. It was a dumb ad--I wouldn't support it either. Personal

attacks are wrong, no matter which side does it.

[truebrit71]

63. Me too....this military worship fetish that US politicians have is creepy...

..

[bdamomma]

164. and you have to worship *.

:puke:

[Cameron27]

59. We want to talk about the war,

they want to talk about an ad in a newspaper.

[spanone]

60. no one has mentioned that MoveOn.org has the supreme right to say what they want

[Coexist]

65. THANK YOU for that.

but I guess that means they have the right to condemn them instead of running the country.

[truebrit71]

66. Actually Cornhole himself did...and then said it was Patreus that gave them that freedom..

...:puke:

[AuntPatsy]

62. I feel like our Senators are being forced to act as if they are still

in Highschool by dealing with what can only be described as everyone having to fear the schools main bully for fear of no one liking them if they attempt to defend themselves. If we had a media, if we had real journalists on the airwaves this whole mess begun by the repubs would have been over a long time ago.

Nice way to ensure our children follow such examples by having our nations leaders doing exactly what they are told is supposedly the wrong behavior.

[rodeodance]

64. Bush: "I was disappointed that not more leaders in The "Democrat" party spoke out stro

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Posted by Maraya1969 on Thu Sep-20-07 10:25 AM

of ad" George W bush September 20, 2007


I'll speak out right now. Fuck you George Bush.

[marmar]

67. The greatest deliberative body in the world is ...... the British Parliament.

At least their discussions focus on the actual war and the actual economy, not newspaper ads that hurt people's feelings and whether or not there's an attack on Easter. This shit is just absolutely an embarassment.

[harun]

71. It is, just disgusting.

[spanone]

68. this is ALL republican politics....not one other fucking thing

[TwilightGardener]

73. True, but the Dems need to fight back politically. Better not yield ANY ground.

[The Count]

84. Agree. calling the ad unwarranted was yielding ground. "Not the ad police"

period.

[Cameron27]

69. What BS

Cornyn doesn't want to talk about the swiftboating of Kerry and Cleland!!!!!

[rodeodance]

70. Cornnny hoorrn from TX is up

[spanone]

72. why is petreaus a 'great american patriot' any proof?

he's a general and there were plenty of generals before him who disagree with this war

[Bluerthanblue]

88. because he wears the uniform

and is doing what the ruling party wants-

Perspective is relative.

Don't miss *'s fascination with costuming himself.

:shrug:

[Cameron27]

74. Since when are we the AD POLICE?

Boxer rocks!

[Coexist]

75. Boxer is kicking ass.

Great points - damn - I don't want to go back to work.....

[truebrit71]

77. here we go...kick some ass Barbara!!

..

[Bluerthanblue]

80. yeah- she is.!

[The Count]

76. Boxer: since when are we the ad police?

That's all there is.

[rusty quoin]

78. Since the Boxer Amendment was defeated

and since the Democrats are condemning the Moveon ad, are they now painting themselves in a corner? The Boxer Amendment was their shield.

[rodeodance]

79. Boxer: Since when are we the AD police? (condemming one and not the other)

[in_cog_ni_to]

81. vote on Cornyn's piece of shit amendment.

[TwilightGardener]

Some of them are voting during the roll call.

[rodeodance]

82. COUNTINGG NOW

[rodeodance]

85. several AYES out of the shoot at the beginning.

[Enrique]

83. Boxer making a threat?

"you're starting a dangerous precedent..."

[The Count]

89. Not a threat - a lucid assessment. her amendment was doing same, BTW

I want to personally attack whomever the hell I please - as long as I don't break thee law.

[AuntPatsy]

97. How could you possibly consider what Boxer said a threat? Curious?

[Enrique]

146. she mentioned other controversies

and asked rhetorically, are we going to call out specific organizations when they put out ads we don't like?

Seeing as how the dems have the majority, they would be the ones who would use this weapon more effectively.

I'm just thinking out loud. Who knows?

[Coexist]

86. How did Clinton Obama Richardson Biden vote?

anyone hear?

[TwilightGardener]

87. Don't know yet--they're not officially voting yet--just taking roll.

[in_cog_ni_to]

90. On the Boxer amendment...Obama aye Clinton aye...Richardson isn't a Senator and Biden...I don't know

[The Count]

I predict party line - like the previous one. Disgusting!

[rodeodance]

98. It so, it will get this REpug one tossed also. Otherwise Repugs win and Boxer loses

[rodeodance]

91. I really can not hear right now

[The Count]

93. It's roll call, not vote.

[TwilightGardener]

92. Prediction--Nelson, Landrieu and Lieberman will vote for this.

[truebrit71]

94. Does this also require 60 votes?

I fucking hope so!!

[TwilightGardener]

99. Hope so.

[MiniMe]

101. Yes, to achieve cloture

[budibudinski]

Bet Moveon.org is preparing its NEXT Ad..

No matter what the Senate thugs say...

Freedom of the Press..Freedom of Speech..

I want to hear the GOP say that these rights no longer apply.
I want to force these fuckers to SAY IT.

Do they really believe hey will make Moveon submit?
Moveon took on the entire GOP in the days of the bogus Clinton set up & impeachment.
They are in this world to do just what they are doing. Fighting the reign of those who would subvert our Constitution, and call out those who the Bush regime protects.

I have made a donation to Moveon.org today..may they prevail how ever they have to do it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

95. That wouldn't surprise me one bit.

:(

[harun]

108. Lieberman did vote aye

[Beaverhausen]

96. "this is what it looks like when democracy dies"

My boyfriend wrote a song called "The Decider" and this line from the chorus is running through my head as this is unfolding.

[rodeodance]

104. Landrue AYE!!!

[rodeodance]

107. Nelson AYE (nk)

[rodeodance]

114. Webb AYE, Murkowlski AYE, CASEY AYE

[rodeodance]

119. Leahy AYE, Rockerfeller NO,

[halobeam]

115. yesterday

we watched DC get yet still, taxation without representation
we watched Habeas Corpus denied
we watched proper rest of our troops denied\
and today? I shiver to think.

It is exactly that. Watching democracy die.

[TwilightGardener]

100. Whitehouse--no. Loud and clear.

[Beaverhausen]

102. McCaskill- Aye?

[MiniMe]

103. McCaskell voted AYE? Nelson voted AYE

[TwilightGardener]

105. Well, it will pass--and I was right on all three: Nelson, Landrieu and Lieberworm.

[Coexist]

106. Webb AYE

[harun]

113. Yep heard that

[in_cog_ni_to]

109. It's going to pass!!!! Lieberman and Landrieu voted aye...so did Hagel. This is SICKENING!

[TwilightGardener]

127. With all these Dems voting aye, I don't expect Hagel will vote no.

[TwilightGardener]

110. No Repubs voting no--Webb aye.

[MiniMe]

111. Argh, Mikulski Aye, Casey Aye

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

112. Fuck Webb and Casey. nt

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

118. WTF? Leahy Cardin aye?????

[TwilightGardener]

116. Leahy aye--Dems did not hold the line. Disgusting. What are they afraid of?

[OzarkDem]

124. Their shadows, nothing more

they have nothing to fear from the idiot in the WH and the right wing nutjobs who have 28% approval ratings.

They're not going to get anthrax or attacked by the military.

They're just chickenshit.

[OzarkDem]

154. For everyone who voted yes

Someone from their state needs to pull a petition and begin the process of running for their seat. As a Democrat.

Time to take our party back and send these traitors a message - if you can't act like a Democrat and support this country, you'd better start looking for a new job.

[in_cog_ni_to]

160. OK...it's over. I'll see ya all later. Gotta get back to work. This whole thing side tracked me!

:hi:

[Beaverhausen]

117. Leahy- AYE?

[halobeam]

126. I am ready to take a break from this.

A short one, but I can't give up my health. At least they haven't put my personal name on a bill yet and voted against my right to chill out for a few days. I'll take it while I still have it.

[in_cog_ni_to]

120. OK...that's it. The freakin' Democrats have NO FUCKING BACKBONE AT ALL even when it

comes to FREE SPEECH!!:grr: OMG...this is unfreakinbelievable.

[spanone]

121. this is called cheap political cover your ass bullshit...shame on them all

[spanone]

123. feinstein aye...ah, fuckit

[harun]

128. SHAME SHAME SHAME on them all

[in_cog_ni_to]

135. NO KIDDING! I just hope this doesn't deter Moveon.org from doing what their supporters want them to

do....

[TwilightGardener]

122. Dorgan aye. Feinstein aye.

[rodeodance]

125. well, folks, seems the REPUGS< will WIN this one. Feinstein, Dorgen AYE Tester Aye

[budibudinski]

144. Dorgan - AYE?? That fucker is getting a earful from me, I have

stood behind him 100%..what I asked in return is no less..

[Vadem]

129. I cannot believe it! The Boxer amendment is defeated and ...

the friggin Cornyn amendment will go beyond 60 votes and be passed because the DEMS are passing it!!!!


:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[EFerrari]

149. Are you kidding?

:wtf:

[in_cog_ni_to]

152. The Democrats are a bunch of useless chickenshits.

[rateyes]

130. Someone tell me again why we shouldn't

criticize Dems who cave.

Dammit.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

139. Shhhhhhhhhh. There was an OP here this morning that vowed to

post two threads for every one bashing a Dem.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

131. This is unfuckenbelievable.

:banghead:

[Individualist]

147. Disgusting, but not at all surprising

This is why the DLC is dangerous. For all their claims of supposedly wanting to help Democrats, they employ people like Marshall Wittman who specifically try to undermine the Democratic Party, even if it means he has to publicly defecate out the most rank and easily-debunkable lies. They reguarly give credence to the right wing's agenda and its worst, most unsupportable lies. They are the real force that tries to make sure this country is a one party state and that Democrats never really challenge the Republicans in a serious way.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sirota/why-the-dlc-is-so-dangero_b_13640.html

Without a doubt, the DLC is the most fundamentalist organization within the caucus, the most ideologically rigid, and the most destructive to the progressive cause.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/24/1712/23448

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

161. Very simply, I agree with you except for the fact that I don't believe

they are ideologically rigid, I think for many, their impetus has to do with Corporate interests and special lobbying groups.

[Beaverhausen]

132. Did the candidates vote yet? Clinton, Obama, Biden and Dodd?

Kerry- No- right on!

[TwilightGardener]

137. They'll vote for it--they can't face an R opponent without this vote.

[TwilightGardener]

140. Oops, I'm wrong--Clinton no.

[Liberalynn]

156. Whatever her motives good for Hillary!

[The Count]

138. Dodd - No

[Beaverhausen]

142. I just heard Clinton - NO. Good for her!

[bluedog]

133. so...its okay to slander Military Vets

in the eyes of the GOP and some Democrates.....but not to insult a General that the * administration choose to propagandize the facts and how well the war in Iraq is going.........
so now McCain is fair game....right?

[spanone]

143. yes, i think you got it absolutely correct.

[u2spirit]

134. Wow

I could have sworn the Democrats won in '06. This is as repulsed as I've felt about the senate and I didn't think I could get more repulsed.

[spanone]

136. welcome to the new america....free speech, what's that????

[harun]

150. Dissent on both sides is getting squashed (n/t)

[rateyes]

141. This country is screwn.

Big time.

There will not be contempt hearings, IMO. Another blank check will be written, IMO.

I am going to the bathroom now, and throw up.

Unfuckingbelievable.

[in_cog_ni_to]

148. What's the Feingold amendment about?

[Vadem]

151. I couldn't believe that Feingold voted NO on Boxer amend.!..n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

155. I know. I have no idea what was up with that vote. I am so sick right now

and completely DISGUSTED with the Democrats.

[rusty quoin]

157. I just don't get it.

But I haven't given up on them.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

163. My guess... he voted no because he didn't want to lend any credence in supporting Patraeus at all.

Dennis Kucinich did something similar in an Iraqi funding bill. He voted no, against many of the Dems, because he didn't support the funding, period.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

168. For some clarity.. Feingold voted No against the Cornyn Amendment too.

I believe he thought both amendments were ridiculous.

[jim3775]

153. Did Obama abstain? I didn't hear his name. n/t

[in_cog_ni_to]

158. I didn't hear his name on the Cornyn vote either. He did vote for the Boxer amendment though, so

he must have abstained on the Cornyn vote. Unless I just missed his vote?

[Liberalynn]

162. What about Schumer?

[Zodiak]

159. Let me guess

Most of the Dems voting to condemn Moveon.org are on the bottom of this list.


Harkin (Iowa) 82.75862069
Boxer (California) 82.75862069
Feingold (Wisconsin) 82.75862069
Kennedy (Massacheusetts) 77.5862069
Corzine (New Jersey) now Gov. 76.66666667
Lautenberg (New Jersey) 75.86206897
Durbin (Illinois) 75.86206897
Akaka (Hawaii) 75.86206897
Sarbanes (Maryland) 72.4137931
Kerry (Massacheusetts) DLC 70.68965517
Leahy (Vermont) 70.68965517
Levin (Michigan) 68.96551724
Mikulski (Maryland) 68.96551724
Reed (Rhode Island) 68.96551724
Biden (Deleware) 67.24137931
Dodd (Connecticut) 65.51724138
Wyden (Oregon) 65.51724138
Dayton (Minnesota) 65.51724138
Obama (Illinois) 63.79310345
Bayh (Indiana) DLC 60.34482759
Murray (Washington) 60.34482759
Schumer (New York) DLC 58.62068966
Inouye (Hawaii) DLC 56.89655172
Bingaman (New Mexico) 56.89655172
Dorgan (North Dakota) DLC 55.17241379
Reid (Nevada) 55.17241379
Byrd (West Virginia) 55.17241379
Clinton (New York) DLC 53.44827586
Menendez (New Jersey) DLC 50
Cantwell (Washington) DLC 48.27586207
Stabenow (Michigan) DLC 46.55172414
Kohl (Wisconsin) DLC 44.82758621
Feinstein (California) DLC 44.82758621
Leiberman (Connecticut) DLC 44.82758621
Rockefeller (West Virginia) 41.37931034
Conrad (North Dakota) DLC 41.37931034
Baucus (Montana) DLC 39.65517241
Carper (Deleware) DLC 34.48275862
Johnson (South Dakota) DLC 31.03448276
Lincoln (Arkansas) DLC 31.03448276
Salazar (Colorado) DLC 24.13793103
Pryor (Arkansas) DLC 22.4137931
Nelson (Florida) DLC 20.68965517
Landrieu (Louisianna) DLC 17.24137931
Nelson (Nebraska) DLC 3.448275862

Let's just say it's a pattern I noticed.

[bdamomma]

165. fuck you McCain

not listening to what the people want, fuck those repigs. :grr:

[bdamomma]

166. McCain just shut the hell up.

beating the drum against Iran. Here we go, listen to mccain.

[bdamomma]

167. McCain what a sick POS.

[John Kerry VonErich]

169. It's just a resolution

They aren't passing a bill to law, so at least MoveOn is not gonna be punished for this.