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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:13 AM
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The single most serious problem with any government..
All governments suffer a recurring problem: Power attracts pathological personalities. It is not that power corrupts but that it is magnetic to the corruptible. Such people have a tendency to become drunk on violence, a condition to which they are quickly addicted.

-Frank Herbert

Can anyone tell me what the single remaining official noble title is in the USA.


Sociopaths crave power over others and seek it like like a ground to air missile..

Do you think a sociopath would like to have a noble title?

Recall that Ted Bundy was a law student..
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:15 AM
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1. This wasn't making any sense to me until I remembered that Ted Bundy was a law student.
I'm not exactly sure what you are getting at - but there's plenty of corruption and danger beyond sociopathy - just normal corruption and greed is corrosive to Democracy. Which is why you need constant reform and diligence.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:23 AM
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2. We currently don't have a "government"
We have a criminal enterprise using the power of government to do it's lawless deeds. Their acts are certainly not in the best interests of the people or the common good, for whom "government" was created.

Why else would this administration spend so much time and effort playing CYA and secretly expunging it's nefarious deeds to avoid accountability and future legal problems?

Newsweek: WH secretly lobbying to get all all private warrant-less surveillance lawsuits wiped out

Al Capone must be spinning in his grave: He had only Chicago; Bush has the entire world...

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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 11:37 AM
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3. I gave plenty of hints..
Nobody can tell me what the single official noble title still in use today in the USA might be?

Something kind of similar to "your grace" or "your highness"..
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RaleighNCDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:00 PM
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4. Are you looking for "Mr President"?
If so, I respectfully disagree - it does not confer nobility, any more than "Mr Mayor" or "Your Honor" does.

Not sure what you're shooting at.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:01 PM
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5. Once again..
Recall that Ted Bundy was a law student..

Ted was a sociopath..
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:08 PM
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6. Uh, your Honor? nt
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:16 PM
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7. BINGO
Sociopaths flock to judgeships like heat seeking missiles..

A judge is just about omnipotent in his courtroom, he holds the power of life and death in his hands, an irresistible lure for a sociopath.

Not all sociopaths are street serial killers, the smartest and most self controlled ones aim for positions where they will have power over others..

Jobs, like judge, politician, cop, CEO and so forth..
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:20 PM
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8. So those of us who don't crave power over people (at least, not over
Edited on Thu Sep-20-07 12:21 PM by valerief
great numbers of people) are properly socialized and therefore doomed to subjegation by those improperly socialized (sociopaths). So the world really is bass-ackwards.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:24 PM
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10. You have it..
Have you read _The Authoritarians_ yet?

If not you absolutely should.. It will open your eyes.

http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/

OK, what’s this book about? It’s about what’s happened to the American government lately. It’s about the disastrous decisions that government has made. It’s about the corruption that rotted the Congress. It’s about how traditional conservatism has nearly been destroyed by authoritarianism. It’s about how the “Religious Right” teamed up with amoral authoritarian leaders to push its un-democratic agenda onto the country. It’s about the United States standing at the crossroads as the next federal election approaches.

“Well,” you might be thinking, “I don’t believe any of this is true.” Or maybe you’re thinking, “What else is new? I’ve believed this for years.” Why should a conservative, moderate, or liberal bother with this book? Why should any Republican, Independent, or Democrat click the “Introduction” link on this page?

Because if you do, you’ll begin an easy-ride journey through some relevant scientific studies I have done on authoritarian personalities--one that will take you a heck of a lot less time than the decades it took me. Those studies have a direct bearing on all the topics mentioned above. So if you think the first paragraph is a lot of hokum, or full of half-truths, I invite you to look at the research.

For example, take the following statement: “Once our government leaders and the authorities condemn the dangerous elements in our society, it will be the duty of every patriotic citizen to help stomp out the rot that is poisoning our country from within.” Sounds like something Hitler would say, right? Want to guess how many politicians, how many lawmakers in the United States agreed with it? Want to guess what they had in common?

Or how about a government program that persecutes political parties, or minorities, or journalists the authorities do not like, by putting them in jail, even torturing and killing them. Nobody would approve of that, right? Guess again.



Don’t think for a minute this doesn’t concern you personally. Let me ask you, as we’re passing the time here, how many ordinary people do you think an evil authority would have to order to kill you before he found someone who would, unjustly, out of sheer obedience, just because the authority said to? What sort of person is most likely to follow such an order? What kind of official is most likely to give that order, if it suited his purposes? Look at what experiments tell us, as I did.

If, on the other hand, you’re way ahead of me, and believe the extreme right-wing elements in America are poised to take it over, permanently, I think you can still get a lot from this book. The studies explain so much about these people. Yes, the research shows they are very aggressive, but why are they so hostile? Yes, experiments show they are almost totally uninfluenced by reasoning and evidence, but why are they so dogmatic? Yes, studies show the Religious Right has more than its fair share of hypocrites, from top to bottom; but why are they two-faced, and how come one face never notices the other? Yes, their leaders can give the flimsiest of excuses and even outright lies about things they’ve done wrong, but why do the rank-and-file believe them? What happens when authoritarian followers find the authoritarian leaders they crave and start marching together?

I think you’ll find this book “explains a lot.” Many scattered impressions about the enemies of freedom and equality become solidified by science and coherently connected here.

You think I’m pulling your leg? Push the button.
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valerief Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:25 PM
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11. You're preaching to the choir. nt
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 12:22 PM
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9. Ripper, are you building a house?
because you're hitting a hellova lot of nails on the head this week with your posts.
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The Vinyl Ripper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-20-07 03:28 PM
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12. To quote Bartels and Jaymes...
Thank you for your support. :D
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