The Senate Democrats are fucking useless. Absolutely fucking useless.

[truebrit71]

Senator Cornhole from Texass puts up a bullshit amendment to condemn MoveOn.Org's Betray-Us ad, and the spineless, bastards CAVED IN...


AGAIN!!!!!


Words simply cannot express how fucking pissed off I am right now....

FUCK THE DEMS

If they can't stop a bullshit stunt like this, how can we possibly expect them to find any balls when it comes down to REAL business.


That's it.

I am fucking done with these gutless turds.

Every single fucking one of them.

[Mass]

1. If this is your reaction to the current vote, I agree, but I cannot say I am surprised.

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. It's all about re-election and NOT the constiuency and the real business of our nation.

What a waste of precious Senate time.

What a waste of our money that's paying them.

Hubris before business :sarcasm:

[soothsayer]

4. I prefer when congress is gridlocked, it means they're not screwing us

but jeezus they're maddening these dems

[DUyellow]

51. DONT SUPPORT THEM WITH YOUR VOTE.

You need to tell them NO MORE GOOD DEM, I Will not vote for you. And Vote for people who will get the job done.

[The Vinyl Ripper]

3. I keep telling people..

It's two sides of the same coin..

The corporatarchy.

But no one wants to hear it.

[ShortnFiery]

5. How about we help MoveOn.org unseat these lemmings in their very next Primary?

:patriot: :thumbsup:

[Vinca]

6. Lemmings - perfect. And they're taking us over the cliff. nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

21. PERFECT IDEA! Would THAT be sweet revenge or what?

They are so damn pathetic! They can't even defend FREE SPEECH! Good G-d! What the hell were they elected to do? Useless. Fucking USELESS!:grr:

[TahitiNut]

7. 72-25 in FAVOR of Cornyn's Amendment.

That seems to be the balance of 'representation' of the Reich vs. real democrats.

[tridim]

19. Note how those numbers are inversely proportional to the will of the people

Our representation is 180 degrees out of whack.

[The Count]

55. Excellent observation!

Dems were "offered the chance" to show they were not controlled by Moveon. many of them, took it.

[hfojvt]

8. so they are alot like this thread then?

Another day, another endorsement of the GOP.

[brentspeak]

11. Exactly.

[ShortnFiery]

23. Yes, forgive me, I forgot my "democratic party" above "country" jack boots today ...

therefore I can't march in lock step as my beloved leaders in the DLC tells me to do. :eyes:

[hfojvt]

28. it's all black and white. It's either 'party over all' or it's

'Democrats are fu$%ing useless'. I am trying to avoid extremes here, but don't let me rain on your 'the sky is falling' parade.

'All Democrats are not perfect, I am never gonna vote for them again :cry: :cry: :argh: :nuke: :banghead:

[truebrit71]

32. Well I know that this is a break from their usual impressive record of holding the thugs to account.

...oh wait, they haven't yet...they're still 'keeping their powder dry'...

This was a vote AGAINST the 1st amendment....

You know, nothing too significant...

[OzarkDem]

34. Senate Dems haven't supported their base

in nearly 7 years. They've voted with the GOP consistently.

How long do they expect to get by with that before people demand to take their party back?

[hfojvt]

64. that is just a crock of crap

it's not even true for Lieberman, Johnson, or the Nelson brothers.

Did they all vote for the Bush tax cut in 2001? No.
Did they all vote for the IWR? No.
Did they all vote to privatize social security? No.
Did they all vote for the Bush tax cut in 2003? (Hint, it passed the Senate by a vote of 51-50.)
Did they all vote for Alito?
Did they all vote for Harriet Meiers?
Did they all vote for Roberts?
I say No! No! No!
Did they all vote for the $87 billion in Iraq funding? Well, Kerry voted FOR the Democratic version before he voted AGAINST the Republican version.
Did they all vote against a minimum wage increase? No.

And so on and so on and so on. ANWR drilling. Clear skies. Health forests - all pieces of crap corporate giveaways authored by Republicans and opposed by a majority of Senate Democrats.

[ShortnFiery]

43. Oh that's an understatement! It's not "black and white" because I've compromised

and voted for Democrats since 92' ... democrats who are much farther to the right (Blue Dogs).

It never ends with the "Democratic Party above all else" crowd. You treat us liberals like an abused spouse, yet when the elections get close, you badger and intimidate the hell out of us. "Well, if you don't vote for us (democrats), where the hell do you think you are you going to go Missy?!? You've got NO-Where!"

All I can say is that there's a vacuum that the beltway-ruling politicos are blind to.

Yes, I love the democratic party and sit the booths outside the polls each election. However, not unlike a like a tough-love parent, I must wait for the DLC to "fall from grace" before those of us in the liberal base can even begin to conduct an intervention. :shrug:

Enjoy your tear assing around in Republican Lite, Fear-mongering, Warmongering and War-Profiteering Land.

Please write home from time to time?

Oh and hey! Good luck on that election thing in 2008. :eyes:

[hfojvt]

67. I think it is funny how I became a 'Democratic Party uber alles" person

simply by insisting that Senate Democrats are not 'fu$%ing useless'. I consider myself a member of PDA. At least on economic issues, which DU rarely discusses, I am still a socialist.

That's what I meant by black or white. If a person does not jump onto the 'Democrats suck' or 'Democrats are useless' bandwagon, then they must be a DPUA (Democratic Party Uber Alles). There is no middle ground.

If we are ever going to win elections, we need to bring in more voters. We do not do so by flogging the 'Democrats are useless' talking points. Even DLCers, much as I loathe them, are 1,000 times better than the average elected Republican. I loathe people like Bush, Cheney, Gingrich and Frist far, far more.

[OzarkDem]

33. Someone has to save the Democratic Party

and Dems in Congress aren't the ones doing it. They're too busy selling out to the GOP.

What you see here are the people who are fighting to keep the Democratic Party from become just another wholly owned subsidiary of the GOP.

[superkia]

69. Dennis Kucinich is standing up against them at every turn.

I like that he is speaks for the people instead of the corporations but the media wont promote him or his message, they don't like him. He stands up for me so he gets my primary vote.

[spanone]

66. explain how this thread endorses the gop

[hfojvt]

68. logic is too difficult for you?

"Senate Democrats are fu$%ing useless". "I am done with them."

Sure, we can try to defeat them in the primaries. We can also try to swim the Atlantic ocean to visit Ireland. What happens when you fail? In SD, for example, Tim Johnson will still be just as useless. By the OP, since I am done with him/them, I cannot hold my nose and vote for him again. So either I vote for Joel Dykstra (R) or I don't vote, or I do a write in, or maybe there's a third party on the ballot (Reform or Libertarian). Logic and math dictate that either Johnson or Dykstra will win - whoever gets the most votes. It is an inescapable fact. If I do not vote for Johnson, then I am helping Dykstra to win. Or look at 2010. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, who has been called a 'Bush dog', votes with the Democratic party 91.8% of the time. John Thune, OTOH, votes with the Republican party 91.1% of the time. Say Republicans and Democrats vote the same 30% of the time. That still gives me a choice between somebody who votes the way I want 61% of the time and somebody who does it 8.9% of the time. That shouldn't be a tough choice.
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/states/sd/

[acmavm]

9. Did no one mention during the hearings that's its the troops that

came up with the nickname 'Betrayus'?

And you're right. The dems can't get Meirs or Gonzo or anyone who showed obvious contempt for Congress up on charges. But they can help do this shit.

Talk about contempt. Nothing bush** or cheney or Rice or Meirs or anyone has ever said or done is even closed to the contempt I feel for this bunch.

[L. Coyote]

10. As if we have time for this. 50+ investigations, 300 hearings, a new Ethics scandal every week...

So, the babies got their little cry. Who gives a hoot about this stupid political trap? Unless, of course, you are in on the political trap, doing your part to hang more crap on the Dems. You and the Sen. from TX are doing a good job of it today! Nice litytle collaberation you have here.

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[ShortnFiery]

24. OK, what do all these hearings and investigations boil down to ACTION? ... SQUAT!!!

It's all a smoke screen on the road to an 100% plutocracy. :grr: :thumbsdown:

[OzarkDem]

40. But they do have time

to do the bidding of Bush and the GOP 24 - 7.

NOT ONCE have the Senate Dems stood up the Bush and the GOP.

NOT ONCE. I'm a Democrat and I want Democratic Party leaders representing me in Washington DC, not a bunch of political cowards who have the collective ethics and brains of a toad.

They are a disgrace to the long tradition of Democratic leadership at the national level. Truman, Roosevelt, Kennedy and the others must be weeping with shame.

[Kelly Rupert]

12. It's good to know you picked a substantive issue

on which to determine your non-affiliation.

[truebrit71]

27. Yeah freedom of speech is like, so yesterday...

:eyes:

[Kelly Rupert]

And this does not impact freedom of speech.

Saying, "That ad was wrong" is not saying "We forbid papers from printing that ad"

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

29. This is a substantive issue..a little thing called Free Speech. This is

unprecedented to have an organization like Moveon being censured by the Senate for their ad. Welcome to the new McCarthyism.

[Kelly Rupert]

37. Criticism is not censorship.

MoveOn's freedom of speech has not been remotely infringed upon.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

53. It was meant as a warning and if you can't see that, sorry. Perhaps

it's time to polish up your boots? I have nothing more to say to you.

[Kelly Rupert]

59. Life must be tough

for those who see dragons for every windmill.

[kenfrequed]

13. What a waste

I mean really Dem's could you actually grow a pair. Agreeing to this is not going to make them stop talking about it and passing this piece of crap gives them another news cycle.

[Beaverhausen]

15. I will not allow you to say that about my great senator, Barbara Boxer

She is one of the most consistent defenders of democracy we have on Capitol Hill.

My other senator, Feinstein,...not so much.

[ShortnFiery]

25. Yes, it was GRAND how she broke with her values to campaign for Joe Lieberman in the primaries.

:eyes:

[charlie]

16. Been going on for a lot longer

than just this Congress.

Cross this line and It's ON, Baby.

Okay... cross this line, knock this chip off, and The WHALING Commences.

Alright, then... cross this line, knock this chip off, take a poke, and IT'S CLOBBERING TIME!

Hey now... cross this line, knock this chip off, take a poke, do that again and I'll KNOCK YER BLOCK OFF.....

[lateo]

17. One of these days...

people are going to figure out that our, so called, representatives are doing the will of their corporate masters and not of the people.

[BlooInBloo]

18. Hoping against reason, how did my WA senators vote?

[Matariki]

41. Bet you a dollar Cantwell voted for it.

~fellow Washingtonian

[Matariki]

54. Murray voted NO, Cantwell didn't vote.

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344

[BlooInBloo]

56. W00T!!!! Given the overall outcome, I'll call that a victory for WA!

Good job Murray, way to, erm, not fail us, Cantwell.

[Enrique]

20. dems' level of opposition to Bush is historic

and this is about real stuff, not bullshit sense of the senate resolutions.

http://fe25.news.mud.yahoo.com/s/cq/20070904/pl_cq_politics/bushsuccessratingathistoriclow

President Bush’s success rating in the Democratic-controlled House has fallen this year to a half-century low, and he prevailed on only 14 percent of the 76 roll call votes on which he took a clear position.

The previous low for any president was in 1995, when Bill Clinton won just 26 percent of the time during the first year after Republicans took control of the House. If Bush’s score holds through the end of the year, he will have the lowest success rating in either chamber for any president since Congressional Quarterly began analyzing votes in 1953.

A study of House and Senate floor votes, compiled by CQ over the August recess, also showed that House Democrats have backed Bush’s legislative positions this year only 6 percent of the time, making for the strongest opposition from either party against a president in the 54 years CQ has kept score.

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[Robbien]

26. I expect every single Democratic Senator who voted for FISA warrantless spying

are also playing footsie with GOPers again today.

When will the few good decent Democratic Senators put up a resolution saying that it should be immoral for Democratic Senators to meet with GOPers in secret behind closed doors plotting with GOPers to undermine the Democratic party.

[OzarkDem]

31. They're incredibly stupid, too

How many times do they have to get screwed over by the GOP before they realize the GOP will NEVER reward them for abandoning the Democratic party.

What fools.

[maxsolomon]

30. how does senator okie dumbass 'hold' a wilderness bill from being voted on

but this crap goes right to the floor?

[DancingBear]

35. Join the club

They are referred to by many of us as Corporate Party Red and Corporate Party Blue.

It really isn't a matter of cowardice, it's a matter of doing what they are paid to do.

Not elected to do - PAID to do.

Big difference.

Ralph is, and was, correct.

Chew on THAT one, true believers.

[Freddie Stubbs]

36. Is it really 'caving' it you actually beleive the legislation is proper?

:shrug:

[truebrit71]

38. Yes. They voted to condemn MoveOn.org.

They sided with the rethuglicans instead of standing up for a) the first amendment, and b) condmening the rethuglicans for an agregious waste of fucking time...

[Freddie Stubbs]

45. How exaclty does the Senate condemning an ad violate the first amendment?

:shrug:

[truebrit71]

46. Did I say it violated the 1st amendment?

I thought I said that the Dems voted against it...??

[The Count]

50. Guess what: the McCarty comission wasn't a law either. Just a condemnation.

You want to know how? By chilling the right to dissent. NY Times will not sell ad space to Moveon anymore. people like you, won't donate for them anymore. That's how. We were just issued a huge STFU!

[AuntPatsy]

47. I missed this one, I was gone?

[DancingBear]

39. Best.Answer.Ever.

Did you write it with a straight face?

:rofl:

[OzarkDem]

42. If they think that legislation is proper

they're in the wrong party, then.

The sooner they join the GOP the better. They're of no use to us. If they turn GOP, it will make it that much easier for voters to throw them out next election and pave the way for real Democrats to run.

[The Count]

48. If they believe that, they are more useless still. Proper to condemn ads in papers?

Proper to become the ad police? Does anyone here not know that Betrayus was the White House mouthpiece?

[Marr]

60. Then it's not caving, no-- it's just Republican.

MoveOn is a grassroots organization of citizens. These are their base-- their constituents-- the people they're meant to be representing.

These inflated politicians can *easily* muster the will to condemn millions of activists, but they cannot muster the will to impeach or even admonish this criminal administration. It's very telling. It speaks of a party establishment that is out of touch and arrogant.

[Matariki]

44. Anyone know where the tallies are?

who voted which way?

[Freddie Stubbs]

49. Right here:

http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00344

[Matariki]

52. Thank you.

Good to see that one of my Senators from Washington voted No.

[The Count]

57. Obama and Biden didn't vote? Shameful cop-out!

[Marr]

58. And yet they can't do anything the claim to endorse without 60 votes.

Interesting, isn't it?

[AndyTiedye]

61. The Democrats Still Have Nightmares About the 1972 Elections

So they still regard any association with any part of the anti-war movement as electoral suicide, no matter how unpopular the war is, and they always will.

[BlooInBloo]

62. In light of the proven stupidity of the electorate, it's not completely unreasonable...

... It's mostly unreasonable, but not completely.

The Democrats aren't voting badly because they're scared of dubya. They're voting badly because they're scared of the idiot public.

[AndyTiedye]

63. Works Out The Same

They are scared of Dubya because his people control the Mighty Slime Machine (MSM)
and the MSM controls 29% of the people absolutely and the rest to some degree.



They are also scared of Dubya because he could LIHOP/MIHOP (again)

and use that as a pretext to invoke all those new martial law powers he has given himself.
Game over.

[BlooInBloo]

65. No, it doesn't. The consequences and the solution are different...

... in the one, changing the President solves the problem - not so in the other, for example.