A huge victory for MoveOn, and for all of us in this struggle.

[WilliamPitt]

Remember when MoverOn was just another power-pestering web-mob with no influence?

Well, they just got blessed.

As did we all.

I don't care what the vote was. Someone decided MoveOn was enough of a threat that they had to be addressed.

1. First they ignore.

2. Then they laugh.

3. Then they attack...

...and what's #4 again?

Hm.

Oh, and for anyone who thinks this is a big deal, I did a quick search...

Concurrent resolution celebrating the contributions of the architectural profession during "National Architecture Week"

Celebrating the anniversaries of the International Polar Years (1882-1883 and 1932-1933) and International Geophysical Year (1957-1958) and supporting a continuation of this international science year tradition in 2007-2008

Resolution celebrating Penn State’s designation as Pennsylvania’s singular land-grant University

Resolution Celebrating 80 Years of The Grand Ole Opry

RESOLUTION CONGRATULATING THE NEWBERRY HIGH SCHOOL BULLDOGS FOOTBALL TEAM ON THEIR FIRST-EVER CLASS AA UPPER STATE FOOTBALL CHAMPIONSHIP

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION celebrating the use of technology in education

Resolution celebrating February 2005 as Marriage Month in Michigan

...so yeah, whatever.

:toast:

[helderheid]

1. First rec!

We win!

[liberalnurse]

2. To have the entire U.S Senate focus on them

for days!!!!!!!!! That shows you the power of the people today. I recommend we all go an.........


Donate, Donate and Donate.


I was just sitting at my desk, like the rest of us, thinking the exact same thing........I really don't see the vote being of any significance....It's the World Audience they secured that made me smile!O8) :hi: :thumbsup: :kick: :loveya:

[Vadem]

26. I donated, I donated, I donated to MoveOn.org!... n/t

[DUyellow]

I gave more today. It is the best thing you can do.

[ooglymoogly]

131. yes this a fight we must engage and Move on is on the front lines

and those of us supporting are on the barricades.

[TankLV]

164. I did too - one hundred bucks - NOTHING any more to dems until they do what I want for a change...

Sorry if some don't like it - money talks and bullshit walks and the dem party and leadership can take a hike...

Sure repuke are worse - but the dems have betrayed us...

NOTHING for dems until they shape up...

[NavyDavy]

167. your on a dem site....so i guess you know where the door is.

[fenriswolf]

176. yeah im with that guy

the dems are our party but they don't listen to us any more, i'm with him the dems need to know that they cannot take us for granted.

[DUyellow]

181. i wouldn't call them dems

[NV Whino]

30. Just sent them some money.

[dickbearton]

100. K&R...

No money for the Democrats, my money goes to Moveon.

[GreenTea]

109. Please donate! www.moveon.org

www.moveon.org

[eridani]

128. Good point.

I'll admit that my hope that someone would attach an amendment condemning the Swift Boat Liars of 2004 was a bit farfetched.

[saracat]

157. The Democratic amendment preceding this did have the Swiftboaters in it.It also mention Max Cleland

It was defeated.

[eridani]

158. I caught up with that later

Disgusting!

[cyberpj]

160. SWIFTBOATER'S AMENDMENT DEFEATED? That makes this all the more laughable. nt

[ProfessorPlum]

134. Thanks for the reminder, just donated

Good on MoveOn

[Pawel K]

177. That or it shows our government's stupidity. nt

[Cooley Hurd]

3. I'll bet their donations are up, too...

:thumbsup:

[AndyA]

4. Well, I'm off to give MoveOn a donation.

I suggest everyone concerned about the sad state of things in America today do so as well. A huge influx of cash to MoveOn will show the GOP that we've had a gut full of their shit.

Give til it hurts, folks!

https://pol.moveon.org/donate/donate.html

[Cooley Hurd]

13. Done.

$$$:thumbsup:

[AndyA]

20. I'm done. It only took a few seconds, and IT FELT GOOD!

When I got the receipt screen for my donation, it made me feel elated. We are making things happen, and it feels good.

Donate - donate - donate!

[emilyg]

33. Done - again.

[FloridaJudy]

34. Just did it.

Eating noodles for a week will be worth it.

[CrispyQ]

82. Thanks for the link!

Done!

[barbtries]

97. i donated

and commented that MoveOn represents me in a way my own lawmakers never seem to do anymore

[BigBearJohn]

104. Talk about SENDING A MESSAGE TO CONGRESS (((( I LOVE IT ))) I'm supporting MOVE-ON, not the DLC

I want a list of all the DEM senators that voted for it.
I will campaign AGAINST them.

I would love it if MOVE-ON got HUGE HUGE HUGE amounts
of donations over this.

BRILLIANT IDEA -- JUST BRILLIANT

[aggiesal]

115. I used to donate to the DNC on a monthly basis, ...

but I got so pi$$ed at their inaction, that I stopped
giving to them, and started giving monthly donations
to DU and MoveOn, and maybe a local candidate or two.

About 1 month ago I got a call from the California Dems
to donate money. I told them that when the Dems in DC
stop supporting the war, I consider giving money again.
Until then, you get $0.

[iamasmadashell2]

182. DNC donations

I used to have the same problem, until the last time they asked for money. Then I wrote back with this reply---not one brass farthing until you begin doing the peoples business..........
WORDS WORDS WORDS; I HEAR WORDS WORDS WORDS ALL DAY THROUGH, FIRST FROM HIM NOW FROM YOU. IS THAT ALL YOU BLIGHTER'S CAN DO??

[Plucketeer]

132. Same here -

Done! WhatEVER it takes to reclaim what's ours! :kick:

[freefall]

180. I am unemployed and down to the last few hundred dollars on my

credit card and I sent MoveOn $25. Does that count as giving 'til it hurts?

Peace,

freefall

[Raster]

5. Good point Mr. Pitt! Off to the Greatest!

[spanone]

6. spin is spin.

whatever

[WilliamPitt]

8. Yes it is indeed

:hi:

[spanone]

16. i donated to MoveOn for the first time today.... let's hope this spreads like the flu

:smoke:

[liberalnurse]

25. Boxer is coming up next on Ed Schultz....

Will Pitt:

You really should call in! You have the "big picture".

http://www.bigeddieradio.com/listen/index.asp

1-877-934-6833

[Beelzebud]

11. I guess we're supposed to be happy that Reid lets shit like this on the floor.

It never should have came up for a vote.

It's really hard to support the Democrats lately... Do they even think about how fucking lame this makes them look? They look like a bunch of fucking chicken-shits.

[WilliamPitt]

15. Post #9

Think about it.

[Individualist]

39. Of course you are

Bad is good, down is up, etc., etc.

[Warren DeMontague]

40. Sure, YOU say "my fucking hair is on fire".. but you neglect to factor in your savings on

winter heating bills.

:eyes:

[Beetwasher]

7. Watch Moveon's Donations SKYROCKET!!

Moveon LOVES this stupid resolution. LOVES IT! This is GREAT publicity. Moveon should send congress flowers. If the Repubs were smart, they would have just let the whole issue quietly go away, instead they kick the exposure into overdrive with their idiocy. They can't help their stupid.

[oldtime dfl_er]

85. I had been lax in donating

I had found other things that seemed more important to donate to over the last year. But I'm getting ready to give moveon.org a piece of my income this week!


http://www.cafepress.com/scarebaby/3125487

[w8liftinglady]

9. right.Now,any ad moveon puts out will get undivided attention

and CNN has played their latest one twice today.

[PA Democrat]

80. I know. I donated some money to them today.

[mmonk]

10. !

Gotta love those resolutions.

[AllyCat]

12. Donated to MoveOn earlier this week and called my 2 WI Senators

and told them what an utter waste of time this is. MoveOn is NOT a democratic organization and bowing to pressure for Dems to denounce them is absurd. Both Kohl's and Feingold's staffers sounded a bit "uh-huh". Maybe I wasn't clear enough. But ultimately, I just said they had more important work to do than focusing on a group that had some valid points about Petraeus.

[AuntPatsy]

14. I hate to be a spoiler here but in all seriousness I have yet to see anyone

that has been attacked by them to have won yet but I do have hope and I will not give that away easily that in the end justice will be served.

I just wish we could seriously take over the nationalized media outlets....where is the Liberal money being spent and what better way than to buy out one of the three main visual media outlets to ensure truth be told?

[IsItJustMe]

139. Beg to differ, but I think they had a big impact on Tom Delay.

[AuntPatsy]

150. Hasn't he been making the rounds again on the faux stations all smiles?

[truebrit71]

17. And which resolution do you thing they'll be talking about this weekend on the talkshows?

The grand ole opry, or the Dems caving?

I'll give you a hint...it won't be the first one I mentioned.

It may not mean much to you Mr Pitt, but this vote speaks volumes as to whom, exactly, has the balls on the left. The shame of it is, that it doesn't appear to be our elected Democrats in congress, but rather an internet organisation.

MoveOn gets my money from now on.

[NoPasaran]

18. Something else people might want to do

Is check out Rick Noriega, who will be kicking Cornyn's sorry ass in 2008 (and maybe dropping a little spare change his way as well).

[aggiesal]

122. I see you're a Hillary supporter. Read the following, ...

On Wednesday's Randi Rhodes radio program, a woman from Code Pink discussed
that Hillary Clinton will not allow any people wearing anti-war T-shirts to
attend any of her rally's or events where she is appearing.

Her election team also has a list and pictures of anti-war activists and will
not allow them into these rally's or events where she'll be speaking.
The woman stated that they were very aggressive about keeping these people out
of these venues be it physical force if necessary. If they have entered the
event and are later discovered that they are wearing T-shirts or displaying
banners, they are immediately removed. If they resist, they are subject to arrest.

I hope she doesn't start acting like King George and his controlled crowds.

[NavyDavy]

168. prove it!

[aggiesal]

178. Prove what?

The rep from Code Pink reported her experience on
the Randi Rhodes show.

All I said was I hope this doesn't turn into a King-George-sign-a-loyalty-oath,
before you enter one of her rally's.

[endarkenment]

19. Looks to me like nothing at all has changed with the Senate Democrats.

24 votes against idiocy, the same 24 who wouldn't vote for FISA and wouldn't vote for more endless war.

My guess is that there will be 24 votes against $50B more for the occupation of Iraq.

I am not celebrating shit. Sorry. I will give MoveOn some more money.

[cali]

29. That's wrong.

Senator Leahy voted for this idiocy, but he voted against the IWR, against supplemental spending, wrote and sponsored the Restore Habeas Act, advocates cutting all Iraq funds, and wrote and sponsors the War Prevention Profiteering Act.

I'm not jettisoning him for making this vote. Criticize yes, complain in an email, yes, but drop support for him? Nope.

[endarkenment]

53. Great, one outlier.

Leahy's vote is a mystery, the rest are completely predictable. If you wish to cling to that one data point as some sort of evidence of something positive, be my guest.

[IsItJustMe]

136. He is a gentleman and probably doen't like harshness of any type, but that is what is needed now,

more than ever.

[Vinca]

21. A very good point, Mr. Pitt. Having that come to the floor as it did

legitimized MoveOn and the entire progressive movement on those pesky Internet tubes. We used to be gnats. Not any more.

[H2O Man]

22. Exactly!

I agree, 100%

Thank you.

[Tiggeroshii]

23. This and the president's attacks will simply draw more attention to the ad and Moveon.org

Kinda free pulicity, if you will...

The funny thing is, that's the only consequence of the vote too.

[rubberducky]

24. Thanks for the perspective.

I already sent to Move-On.

[Luminous Animal]

27. Stand up and be counted here...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1858145

[Warren DeMontague]

28. Since it's so easy to get resolutions passed, can we get one condemning the Iraq war?

Okay, if not that, then how about one condemning the lies used to SELL the Iraq war?

Should I hold my breath?

[cali]

31. Yep.

It's a victory for MoveOn. And I hope it's a victory for all of us.

[warren pease]

32. Sorry, I'm dense today...

I didn't get the point of those resolutions in the context of MoveOn.org. Did those resolutions also get the Senate's attention this week? Or are they just examples of the kind of nonsense they deal with every day?

And, parenthetically, when Ms. Nancy and Uncle Harry say they're too busy with important stuff to deal with impeachment, is this the kind of important stuff they're talking about?


wp

[WilliamPitt]

37. "examples of the kind of nonsense they deal with every day"

Bingo.

[warren pease]

49. Ah.. I can see why there's no time left over for frivolous crap like impeachment. n/t

[sicksicksick_N_tired]

35. Agreed. Congratulations to MoveOn. You are officially a pain in the arse,...

,...of the RW machine!!!

:bounce: :applause: :bounce:

[bdamomma]

36. Well Moveon.org hit a nerve when they published that ad

it was the truth, that is why those disgusting repigs are kicking up.

[IsItJustMe]

137. Yep, the truth is a b!tch. But the truth never the less.

[bdamomma]

38. hey wait for me!!

I need an address. Do they donations over the phone?

[AikidoSoul]

149. Here are ways to donate to MoveOn.org

One method is via MoveOn's website:

https://pol.moveon.org/donate/donate.html

Whether you donate by credit card or donate by check you will have to fill out a form that enables MoveOn to comply with federal laws. If you decide to send a check you need to have a printer to print out a form to send with your check.

Here's the donate-by-check site:

https://pol.moveon.org/donate/check.html

Then you send the completed form and the check to:

MoveOn.org Political Action
PO Box 9218
Berkeley, CA 94709

I'm sending a check as well. Good for everybody who sends them money :applause: what better way to send a message to MoveOn and to the Democratic Farts that censured them.

What freaking nerve. :grr:

Why do you think the Dems did this? What did they have to gain? Seriously....

[Warren DeMontague]

41. You're right, Will. This might be the shot in the arm we progressives need. Specifically, to elect

some representation in the United States Senate with actual SPINE.

[redqueen]

42. God how I wish I shared your optimism. n/t

[demobabe]

43. So the Democrats rebuked MoveOn

You gotta learn to think a couple more steps ahead, Will.

Didja ever think it was because the Republicans keep going after MoveOn all the time linking them to the Democrats? The Rethugs want MoveOn to go away because it represents a threat to them and a large amount of political funding for the Dems.

So wouldn't it be to the Democrats' political standing to separate themselves from MoveOn? And by publicly bringing attention to them for what they did works to raise funds for them. Look at this thread alone. Someone here is pledging to eat noodles all week to donate to MoveOn.

Attack? Hah! Fundraising plan!

:)

[loudsue]

183. Do not impart to the dems in congress good sense that they don't possess.

"Unintended consequences" are something not a one of them have figured out yet, or they wouldn't be supporting this war, wouldn't have signed the Patriot Act, or the Homeland Security Act, or the Iraq war resolution, or the bankruptcy bill, or any of the other crap that they've signed AGAINST THE WILL of the people of this country.

Does anyone in this country like NAFTA except for the corporations? No. Congress doesn't give a shit about actual human beings who are citizens of the U.S.

:

[datadiva]

44. I'm donating to Move On

I don't have much but as soon as I'm done, I'm going to Feinstein's website to tell her that I did and that it was because of her stupid vote that I did it!

[Tarheel_Dem]

45. Hey Will, it's so good to read you again.....

and you're right, this wouldn't be a big deal if they didn't feel threatened by MoveOn.

[nadinbrzezinski]

46. I just gave them ten bucks

which is all I can afford at the moment

No coffee out for me for a couple of days, that is all

[uppityperson]

47. It's NOT just Moveon, it is "ANYONE" and First Amendment Rights.

To express the sense of the Senate that General David H. Petraeus, Commanding General, Multi-National Force-Iraq, deserves the full support of the Senate and strongly condemn personal attacks on the honor and integrity of General Petraeus and all members of the United States Armed Forces.

Condemns "personal attacks" on "all members".

This is NOT just about Moveon but about limiting our First Amendment Rights.

[WilliamPitt]

50. Disagree

This is debate. Senators have First Amendment rights, too.

[uppityperson]

64. and their publically saying they comdemn all who speak out is good?

Just got this back from MoveOn:
The U.S. Senate just told us to sit down and be quiet. They passed a resolution condemning MoveOn.org and it has one purpose: To intimidate all of us who care about ending this war. To send a message that anyone who speaks unpleasant truths about this war will pay. To make everyone--especially politicians--think twice before they accuse the administration of lying.

[frogcycle]

169. MoveOn had a right to run the ad; the Senate had a right to condemn it, and you have

a right to criticize them. ALL of that is freedom of expression. People are too quick to scream "First Amendment" when someone disagrees with them or tries to deny them a forum.

The First Amendment says one cannot be jailed for expressing one's views. It does not say one can express them anywhere, any time, in any manner, using someone else's microphone, lecture hall (reference to taser boy), or internet forum (eg, Freep denial of alternative views).

The senators can be as hypocritical and frivolous as they choose. The voters can throw them out for being a waste of space, but they are not infringing on Moveon or the NYT's 1st amendment rights by "condemning" in a meaningless resolution. Now if they sent brownshirts, that would be another matter.

[ralphmich3]

172. Congress: It's a political stunt, not free speech

A waste of the Senate's time - they are really there, not to offer opinions on newspaper articles. They are there to legislate and to oversee the executive branch which they have not been doing for the last 6 years..

[uppityperson]

179. Arguing if they had the right to do this is not what I am arguing. Thinking overnite,

The Senate publicly condemning anyone who speaks out against "the troops" and/or Gen Pet, what I find appalling is that they would do this. Of course they have the right, as individuals, to free speech. That is not the issue. The issue is that they, as 1/2 the Legislative Branch of Gvt would publicly pass judgment on any who criticizes the military. Their job is to pass laws, and to act as a check and balance to the Executive and Judicial Branches, and to represent we the people.

[creeksneakers2]

89. I agree

Its an attack on those who dare to question the military, and Bush's PR point men with uniforms.

According to Republicans, the media, and half the Democrats, if a general lies, you can't say he's lying because that would be a personal attack.

Attacks on the patriotism of critics kept the truth about the war from the public before the war started. That suppression of truth is why we are in the mess we are in now.

Until all Democrats stand up to right wing star spangled bullying it will never stop.

[flyarm]

48. i donated 14 times the day of betrayus's hearing ..everytime the repigs brought it up..off i go to

donate again!!!!!!!

Move On ..you speak for me..unlike some US senators and my senators..and i just want Nelson ( FLA) to know..he will get not another dime from me!! my money will go to Move On..and i will be calling him to let him know that!

fly

[Disturbed]

51. I don't understand the uproar.

MoveOn merely asked a legitimate question. In a representative Republic that is what citizens are spozed to do. Maybe they should have titled the piece: "Ass kissing,Chickenshit General". Now that may have caused an shit storm.

[BostonMa]

52. As usual you make it so clear for us, Sir!

:thumbsup:

[The Vinyl Ripper]

54. Just for the record, I had an OP saying the same thing a couple of days ago..

Which means I agree..

The meme has been planted and all it needs now is another Friedman or two to properly incubate in the body politic. When things are unchanged or even worse in Iraq, all people will remember is "General Betrayus".

[Cha]

55. Thanks for the positive

outlook on the senate rabid condemners.

They wouldn't condemn bush for lies and breaking the law but they'll condemn moveon for telling the truth.

Yeah, 1984 is shining in all its big brother love.

[Blue_Roses]

56. omg...

I think my head is gonna explode:crazy:

[jackster]

57. good point Will....

but I'm still mad as hell!

:grr:

[Highway61]

58. Repugs are scared

Because the people are COMING! And they know it!

[whyzayker]

75. I am SO glad that THIS time is different!!

Nobody's "coming". Ya know what the problem is?

The Democrats don't act like they're in power and the Repukes won't stop acting like they're the party in power. I watched the Democrats cave today like never before.

Oh wait...like a thousand times before.

But...oh...I just KNOW this time is different!!!

Please. Land your little airplanes already.

[lonestarnot]

59. I don't care, they are still on my shit list for ignoring the cheat!

[dog_lovin_dem]

60. Thanks Will.

The voice of reason strikes again!

[Bluebear]

62. :)

edited, answered by my new friend

[dog_lovin_dem]

65. Absolutely.

I haven't been lurking here since 2004 for the words of only one poster. There are many DUers who I admire. H2Oman, for example. NanceGreggs. ClassWarrior. And many, many others.

[Bluebear]

68. meanwhile...

from another dog loving dem, don't lurk so much :pals:

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

61. It's a win for Moveon.

Big kick in the nuts for the party and the country, IMO.

[immoderate]

66. That's how I score it.

They get publicity, donations; the senate looks stupid. They have passed a resolution "respecting" the existence of MoveOn.

--IMM

[Bluerthanblue]

63. i appreciate your putting

a positive spin on this.

It's important to look on the bright side. Especially these days.

thanks Mr. Will.

blu

[mod mom]

67. They sure got a lot of bang for their buck with that ad. Too bad so many people don't read

they only look at the picutes and headlines.

I stopped donating to moveon after they failed to participate in acknowledging a '04 fraudulent election, but today I did. My guess is this absurd action in the senate made for a VERY profitable day for MoveOn.

[derby378]

69. I'LL tell you what #4 is...

First, they ignore you, Then, they laugh at you. Then, they attack you. Then, you roll over on your back and piss yourself.

I'm beginning to think more and more that the Senate is suffering from "battered wife syndrome."

[jasmeel]

70. Thanks Will! I'll be donating after payday!

[DUyellow]

130. HECK YEA!

[NastyRiffraff]

71. K&R!

This vote today was a huge shot in the arm for MoveOn. People who've never heard of the ad before will scratch their heads at this silly resolution, and wonder why the Republicans are wasting time. Not to mention free speech issues. I hope this will be the start of a conversation among those who haven't understood the issues....like free speech, supporting Petraeus=supporting the troops, etc.

I wish I could afford a donation, even a small one, to MoveOn right now, but I can't. They'll get my money, though, as soon as I land a job.

BTW, I wonder when the Cornyn will introduce a resolution to condemn Admiral Fallon for his words about Petraeus? (Hint: don't hold your breath).

[IsItJustMe]

142. Bunch of self-righteous rethugs.

[Stuckinthebush]

72. Newberry High won the state football championship?

Well hot damn! I bet Clinton High was pissed.

[Telly Savalas]

145. It's another cover-up by the MSM.

What little coverage it got focused way too much on Newberry's weak special teams.

[Stuckinthebush]

154. Damn MSM!

Curses!

[valerief]

73. I sent off my donation. nt

[Raffi Ella]

74. .

Someone decided MoveOn was enough of a threat that they had to be addressed.




:patriot:

[HootieMcBoob]

76. Just donated $25 to MoveOn!

I'm so upset right now. They let this shit pass and they won't call the Repub bluff on anything! Do these guys have a damn clue at all? No more money to the DNC either. They are freaking idiots!!!!

[BoBo92]

77. I donated today because of what * said

Can't believe * and the Repugs made such a big deal out of this ad!
Well.. I guess I can believe it.
But,I think it may "spin" the wrong way for them and help Move-On

I HOPE!

[blogslut]

78. I called 4 of John Cornyn's offices today

I wanted t know why he accepted $5900.00 in campaign donations from swift boat funder, Bob Perry. When Senator Durbin asked him if he (Cornyn) was willing to amend his resolution to include Texan-funded SBVT, here's what box-turtle John said:

“I am not willing to amend my resolution … He keeps emphasizing that this is a Texas based group… I have no idea whether it is or it is not …”

That is a damned lie. John Cornyn knows exactly who Bob Perry is and what Bob Perry does. Here's a link to the donations made by Bob Perry to Senator Cornyn this last March, plus the monies he donated to the SBVT:

http://www.newsmeat.com/fec/bystate_detail.php?st=TX&last=perry&first=bob

BONUS: A screen grab of the $7200.00 - $2300.00, donated to Cornyn from Bob Perry:



EDIT ADD: And when I was done, I donated $25.00 to Moveon.org. I wish it could have been more, but I'm no Bob Perry ;)

[Middle finga]

79. I'm going to donate right now

I'm at a loss trying to figure out the democratic party. When they were in the minority they were unable to push their legislation through and the were unable to stop the republicans from pushing legislation through. Now the democrats are have majority status and they are still unable to push through their legislation and unable stop republicans, am I missing something here?

[Arugula Latte]

81. You're not missing something. They are: Spines.

It's inexplicable to me why they continue to bend over backwards to carry the Republicans' water when the GOP is so widely despised these days.

[earth mom]

83. All truth passes through three stages.

First, it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.

[Rex]

84. I'm very proud of you guys! The GOP machine spends millions

to give you guys publicity and all the while it hurts them and exposes them as cowards and liars. Can't ask for more, I just hope they stay stupid and spend all their money.

[Sam Ervin jret]

86. I'd put any neg. action by this congress, on myself, ON MY RESUME!!!

[malaise]

87. Hahahahaha

David Shuster agrees with you. Says Bush elevated MoveOn.org.

[Bozita]

88. I just made a donation to Move-On.org -- Now, I'm gonna sharpen my pitchfork ...

... and get some pitch for my torch.

I haven't been this pissed in some time.

[MasonJar]

90. Donation done! Hurrah for Move On! Let's have more ads asap!

[populistdriven]

91. donated!

[Cleita]

92. Thanks Will.

It reminds me of the old Hollywood adage, "I don't care what the say about me as long as they spell my name right."

I don't remember who said it, but it was an actor who was explaining that all publicity, even bad publicity is good because it keeps people talking about you.

I think all this smearing of MoveOn will make it ever so much more popular and they will get a bigger and broader audience to get their message out.

:toast:

[deacon]

93. k + r

[The Count]

94. Still, how many do know the content of the ad? It was all about St Betrayus

and nothing about his lying. That's why I ain't celebrating.

[EV_Ares]

95. We need to continue to support MoveOn. Our senate and house

dems are not standing up for us.

MoveOn is not afraid to fight.

[Joey Liberal]

96. Thanks MoveOn.org

I am proud to be a member and President Bunnypants Bush has it all wrong. We aren't afraid of MoveOn.org, we just hate him.

[MODemocrat]

98. At last, someone with a backbone that owes no one an apology

Moveon.org has said nothing that wasn't true; By golly, I'm getting ready to send them a donation;
may not be the biggest they ever got, but it will be heartfelt.

The republicans have done some horrible injustice to some great people in the Democratic Party, and
it's time for a little payback. To Hell with their fake outrage.

:toast: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :thumbsup: :loveya:

[I Have A Dream]

99. It was also my pleasure to donate today!

:toast:

[montanacowboy]

101. MONTANA DISAPPOINTS

Nothing new for old Maxie B; but Tester is proving to be another gutless wonder. I just wrote to both of them and told them they have no fuckin idea how thick the anger is out here in the real world. Jon Tester seems to have forgotten about the real world already; didn't take him long.

Since we have no one to vote for anymore, I say the hell with them. They won't get my vote in any way shape or form.

I am sending money to Move On right now and more power to them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[catlbob]

102. I trickled in another $25

It isn't much, but what I can do. Good for MoveOn, one could suppose he went deaf waiting for out Democratic "leaders" say anything. Keep using the frame: "Who betrayed us?" if not General P, then who? Maybe some of the back-stabbers are among the 22 Democrats who voted to say "tsk-tsk, you're sooo impolite" to MoveOn.

[Senator]

103. Now, If They'd Only Say "Impeachment"...

... we might be able to moveon toward ending the war and redeeming Our National Soul.

But I do agree that it's a huge victory to force the regime to label a newsad as "disgusting," while claiming torture is somehow an American virtue. To get this, hopefully non-temporary, small change of frame.

The trouble with Step #3: They Attack You is that it presumes that you fight back -- without putting your weapons "off the table."

That's the ONLY WAY to get to Step #4: Then You Win.

--

[glitch]

119. Excellent point.nt

[still_one]

105. I didn't particularly care for the MoveOn.Org ad, but today they get my donation /nt

[jdadd]

106. Well said Will!!

I've been underemployed since April 06....But Damnit I'm gonna pony up a donation somehow!!:toast:

[justgamma]

107. They got a donation from me today.

They were the first political message I ever received. I joined during Clinton's impeachment. I had never even registered to vote, before I got that email.

[txwhitedove]

108. I read MoveOn's e-mail tonight first, and proud to say...

You are absolutely right! Already Donated and Signed:

As U.S. born, taxpaying American citizen, I have a right to say and think what I want about anyone or anything. I am so proud that our "journalists" and reporters are regaining a backbone and returning to the truth. TRUTH is all. "We will not be quiet, we will fight back. We will keep speaking out until Congress forces an exit plan for this awful war." ~jp

[Ian David]

110. Fuck the Republickers. I just donated $29.47 to MoveOn.org

I chose the amount of $29.47 in honor of Barbara Boxer's Amendement number 2947 to the Repuke bill.
https://pol.moveon.org/donate/donate.html

See:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1856539&mesg_id=1856539

[BigBearJohn]

111. Donated!

[JackRiddler]

112. I'm sure a list of similarly trivial legislation that passed simultaneously...

could be drawn up for the week of the Iraq war resolution, or maybe even the PATRIOT Act.

Will, you'd be someone who might know: can you think of precedents for the Congress passing resolutions to rebuke U.S. citizens for speech? I'm sure they exist but can't think of any, and I'm very curious what they might have been.

[Sufficient Voice]

113. We are supposed to have a Democratic Majority

But sometimes I feel like we only have about 25 real Dems in the Senate.

[LaPera]

114. Donate a few bucks...

it's important and needed.

http://moveon.org/

[marlakay]

116. I donated today also

and emailed and told them it was because I am behind their ads 1000%.

[txwhitedove]

117. Hey, Will, I think MoveOn's next big ad should be on how donations increased....

:applause:

[glitch]

118. 75th R, this is the correct attitude.

I am also enjoying hearing that the ad pissed off little lord pissypants.

[HughMoran]

120. You've got your finger on the right pulse here

I'm glad I gave them money and I will be giving them more...

[bleever]

121. Definitely. And I think most of the responses in this thread

bear that out.

I just donated again too.

[Nay]

123. I just donated $25. There's more where that came from for PEOPLE

and ORGANIZATIONS who speak up, and don't act so spinelessly in front of these Nazi bastards.

[Vattel]

124. irony and the chimp

How does a Chimp respond to an organization's attacking a General for being dishonest? By being dishonest, of course. Holding back the tears, Bush said he felt that Moveon attacked not just Betrayus, but all of the troops. Maybe the Senate should pass a resolution condemning that smear.

[judaspriestess]

125. I just donated

:)

[imlost]

126. Just made out a check and put it in the mail. n/t

[SecularMotion]

127. Donated

Go MoveOn!

[Duncan]

129. Yeah, but...

Those things are all mundane though.
This is WAY different.
They knew this was front and center.
It makes me feel ill.
Thanks though.
Your thought is good.

edited to add: donated as soon as I heard about the resolution.

[IsItJustMe]

133. Excelent point. Nobody, but nobody, ever kicks a dead dog. The Rethugs are paying attention now.

[jkilvik]

135. Another donation /nt

[EFerrari]

138. That's right.

:toast:

[ClayZ]

140. K and R

[autorank]

141. How about an add about the 1,000,000 dead Iraqi civilians?

How do those Congress critters feel about this? It's on them now too. This is the issue.
It's massive, well documented, it happened because they continued to approve funding for this
fraud. Don't talk about rotation schedules and so forth. Remove the damn funding.

ONE MILLION DEAD IRAQI CIVILIANS WHO WOULD OTHERWISE BE ALIVE WERE IT NOT FOR THIS INVASION AND
ONGOING OCCUPATION

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/09/14/3839/

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Published on Friday, September 14, 2007 by the Los Angeles Times

Poll: Civilian Death Toll in Iraq May Top 1 Million
A British survey offers the highest estimate to date. At least 4 die in a Sadr City car bombing.

by Tina Susman

BAGHDAD - A car bomb blew up in the capital’s Shiite Muslim neighborhood of Sadr City on Thursday, killing at least four people, as a new survey suggested that the civilian death toll from the war could be more than 1 million.

The figure from ORB, a British polling agency that has conducted several surveys in Iraq, followed statements this week from the U.S. military defending itself against accusations it was trying to play down Iraqi deaths to make its strategy appear successful.0914 04

The military has said civilian deaths from sectarian violence have fallen more than 55% since President Bush sent an additional 28,500 troops to Iraq this year, but it does not provide specific numbers.

According to the ORB poll, a survey of 1,461 adults suggested that the total number slain during more than four years of war was more than 1.2 million.

ORB said it drew its conclusion from responses to the question about those living under one roof: “How many members of your household, if any, have died as a result of the conflict in Iraq since 2003?�

Based on Iraq’s estimated number of households — 4,050,597 — it said the 1.2 million figure was reasonable.

[Blue_Tires]

143. ttt n/t

[Fading Captain]

144. Nice. The chickenshit Dems faved once again

The chickenshit Dems, oh so afraid at being perceived as weak on the military, caved yet again.


Every fucking time they are challenged, they cave.

Every time it seems like GWB and his crew are dead, they snarl, and we back off.

And propagandists like Will Pitt sing their praise and scold the DU'ers who call the chickenshit Dems on their cowardice.

[TexasThoughtCriminal]

146. I donated. MoveOn speaks for me.

Fuck you, Cornyn!

[proud patriot]

147. #4 We win

:woohoo:

[cyberpj]

148. FYI- SUMMARY OF MOVEON.ORG 9/20 8:30pm Conference Call and Questions:

Here's everything I could type, as fast as I could:

Eli Pariser:
Clearly we've made an impact on Republicans.
They wouldn't come after us unless we were a threat.

3.3 million member org - ordinary Americans taking responsibility for where the country is headed.
Long tradition of getting truth out against Republican lies so it's no wonder they're coming after us.

Bush strategy in last 10 days hasn't worked, actually public wants out of Iraq even more. 5 straight days of Bush and Patreus coverage didn't change any minds.

Mentioned today's Senate condemnation. Today alone Moveon received tens of thousands of dollars of support and many emails of support.

Mentioned the WEbb amendment and how the Repubs voted against the amendment - so when they had an opportunity to stand by the troops and do something about it they didn't - and it's outrageous that they took the time for the anti-moveon vote.

Clearly, some people in this country do believe that a general can not be questioned. It's important to say that the truth is more important than a uniform or any one person.

Expect Moveon to continue to pressure about the war.

Sharing an email they got today:
"I'm currently in Iraq. We don't agree with this war. Thank you for speaking out. We don't have a voice. You are our voice."

Thanking members for support and now taking questions:


Note: keeping an eye on the numbers I noticed a maximum of about 2200 at one time. As question started, numbers dropped to just over 500 or so.


QUESTIONS:

Will you continue to place ads? Yes, we will share as we put them out. Just a note on ads, I wish we could just put moveon members in front of national media and they would listen to you all because then they'd realize this is an amazingly mainstream group of good people. Nationally, it's difficult to get the media to cover ads and so that's why we use this tactic - to make sure our message gets out in a big way.

Has Petraus reacted? Yes, it was a fairly muted reaction. The truth is he understands he has a political role to be the salesman - he was previously on the phone daily with Ed Gillespie - so this is someone who understood he had a political role to play. Bush has selctively chosen Generals to represent him who are willing to do this.

Someone asked about Ed Schultz - they said he contributed today and asked his listeners to as well.

How can we keep the pressure on and force Bush to make a change? The strategy is to isolate Bush so that Republicans in congress abandon him and he's forced to change. He is so unpopular. That's one reason why we see him calling us out today as a badge of honor. We have to keep Dems pushing forward to end the war; in our opinion Dems have not done that enough but it is noticeable that in the last few weeks several important Republicans have come out agains the Bush war policy.

Some attendee comments - One said good work, keep it up! Another said moveon is good but targeting Patreus was wrong and we should keep it on Bush.

Eli responded that they targeted Patreus because Bush has a history of using military as his front men - look no farther than Colin Powell in 2003. If this had been done then, would it have helped people to look more closely at those claims? Hard to say.

Someone asked if the ad allowed Republicans to use it as a distraction? Answer: distraction from what? The Pres had a very choreographed plan for last week involving 2 days of testimony and press conferences etc, to stay in front of americans in the press. At the very least the ad interrupted that. In the big picture we gained support and money and made some people question the information.

Discouraged people said they're tired of writing and calling with no response. Eli said it's still important to continue and he wants to work to convince people that they are doing important work and to continue it. Working at a local level at local events and local newpapers is also important. Start where you are.

Another marine from Phila PA said thanks for moveon work.

Again, remind people congress would rather spend time on the resolution and political grandstanding than actual work toward ending the war and helping the soldiers.

As to the meaning of the vote - it doesn't mean very much, listed several resolutions on useless topics and that it will fade in time but it illustrates the position of moveon -that we're not insiders and never want to be and it's our job to irritate them and we'll keep pushing.

Every day there are more and more people saying that's enough - but when you have 3.2 million people saying that out loud and together it's much more powerful so encourage others to join up and add to the power.

Sign up at OperationDemocracy.org

Then Tom from Californa used the Ghandi quote - first they ignore you...........

and it ended there.

[sonias]

151. Damn straight!

"I don't care what the vote was. Someone decided MoveOn was enough of a threat that they had to be addressed."

Our Texas idiot Cornynholio showed most sane people what a douchebag he is.

:toast:

Sonia

[suffragette]

152. Another K&R and a donation to Moveon

And :toast: right back to you, Will.

[ProudDad]

153. Signed the petition and donated some bucks

and got a nice piece of cake from my partner as a reward...

Gotta love "unintended consequences"...

:toast:

[thoughttheater]

155. See a pithy tongue-in-cheel visual

See a pithy tongue-in-cheek visual on the resolution titled, "Jackass: The Sequel - Twenty Two Donkeys For Brother Bush"...here:

www.thoughttheater.com

[PDenton]

156. Nice to look on the positive

And good Gandhi quote. Gandhi and his buddies got beat a few times before everybody admitted he had the right idea.

[DeSwiss]

159. K&R!!!

[usrbs]

161. Yet another donation. n/t

[Pacifist Patriot]

162. I'm having a hard time understanding what the other resolutions have to do with anything.

Yes Congress issues the most inane resolutions all the time. But I'm not seeing a good analogy between celebratory resolutions and a condemnation resolution that tells us the majority of the senate consider it perfectly acceptable to essentially instruct a critical organization to "sit down and shut up." (to quote MoveOn's follow up)

I do whole-heartedly agree with you that you just can't pay for this kind of publicity. And I think it is important to look at the positive side of things.

I still find it a bit alarming that enough congresscritters thought this resolution should even reach the Senate floor. It's one thing to celebrate the minutae of Americana, it's quite another to target one opinion. All the more galling when shrill vitriol coming from the extreme far right is ignored or embraced as perfectly acceptable behavior.

I'm glad MoveOn made the ad, they have absolutely nothing for which to apologize and I'm delighted the publicity is filling their coffers. Just pissed the Senate would even bother with this in the first place.

[Orsino]

163. A tiny victory.

The only huge victory is the end of the goddamned war. I believe that MoveOn has moved us, however incrementally, toward that goal, and I thank them.

[paparush]

165. Just Donated to MoveOn (and to DU while I was at it!) Its a twofer!!

[zippy890]

166. the pretzeldent himself attacked Move-On!

Yee-Haw! :toast:

you are right - the ground is a-shaking, and it is a good thing.

[Chowlie]

170. First I was angry, then I donated. Long live MoveOn!

[Patiod]

171. Are you implying the Penn State resolution is not a big deal?

celebrating its designation as Pennsylvania's singular land-grant university?

Seriously, what kills me is that Faux, the Republican mouthpiece, does this type of smear all the time, as do the other mouthpieces who were invited to the Whitehouse for a sit-down, plus their spokesboys Rush and the savage Weiner, and I don't see any resolutions there.

But they're really set on demonizing MoveOn, which is NOT a good thing --- around here during the last election, they used "supported by radical hate group MoveOn.com" to smear a good woman running for Congress.

[Major Hogwash]

173. Now that they've gotten everyone's attention, wait for the next ad!

Maybe they'll make an ad about the stolen election of 2004?!

[Borchkins]

174. Just made my donation--again

I'm proud to stand with moveon.

[JitterbugPerfume]

175. my limited funds go to

Move On and the ACLU