I don't know about you, but I care 100% more about the Webb bill than the Cornyn dog-and-pony show

[brentspeak]

Why in the name of all that's good and decent would someone call a Democratic senator to complain that he/she voted for Cornyn's resolution instead of calling a Republican senator to complain that he/she blocked a vote to help our nation's exhausted and exploited troops?????

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[Bluebear]

3. Not in the least. I see very respected members disgusted by today's events.

We were given the middle finger today by the moveon censure voters and you think we're trolls?

[rudy23]

8. Thank you! I'm tired of being called a troll by people I disagree with

I'm tired of having my outrage mocked
I'm tired of COWARD Democrats who practice defensive legislation
I'm tired of this fucking war
I'm tired of illegal surveillance of American citizens
I'm tired of seeing the people of New Orleans getting kicked around with no Dems to support them
I'm tired of seeing the DLC try to throw the liberals of this party over the cliff
I'm tired of seeing my country rapidly descend into fascism with so much approval on both sides of the aisle

[Bluebear]

9. Cheers, Rudy

[saracat]

11. Yes. Because they pay more attention to this than the anti-war Bill. They think this is more

important than the Webb Bill yet they claim to care about the soldiers and ending the war .They could care less that the amendment also included censure against the swift boaters and those that smeared Cleland.it is all about MoveOn. Yeah I wonder about those who think Move On is more important than ending the war, or giving the troops time off or on defending Democratic heroes against lies.

[Bluebear]

14. yeah, we're just a bunch of trolls because this outraged us today.

We've not done a frigging thing to end the war in 5 years. We're just here to troll the board. :eyes:

[brentspeak]

16. Er, what have YOU done to end the war?

[Bluebear]

18. Er, I don't answer to you, believe me.

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[uppityperson]

19. How the HELL do you know what I pay attention to, how I multitask?

"it is asll about Move." means what?

If you are going to call us trolls for multitasking, for calling and writing about all sorts of things, if you are going to call me a troll for being outraged at my representative's behavior, if you are going to call me a troll because of some assumption you have of what I care about, at least write sentences that make sense.

[uppityperson]

12. No. I called mine in protest because she needs to represent me better.

Calling me a troll for criticizing my dem representative is as wrong as the thing they passed today.

[truebrit71]

17. I am not a troll by any manner of means...I am just sick and tired of being thrown under the bus...

...by the alleged "democrats" in congress...

I disgree with the spineless activities of our alleged representatives and I'm a troll?

Not.Even.Close.Bud.

[Sherman A1]

1. Agreed

It speaks volumes about our Esteemed Republlcan Senators, that they can spend time worrying about the Good Genearl's feelings being hurt, yet not be concerned about the guys & gals that are the boots on the ground, enough to get them more rest between tours in this stupid war.

Republicans Support the Troops..... I think NOT.


:argh:

[in_cog_ni_to]

2. Oh puhleeeeze. Like a repuke cares what someone thinks?

:rofl::rofl::rofl: Funny.

Democrats don't care what WE think either becaue WE are the Grassroots that actually support Moveon.org! They just told us to go to hell.

[pampango]

4. That was yesterday and only dealt with the war.

What has Webb done for us lately? ;)

[Robbien]

10. Webb voted for expanded FISA spying and Webb voted for censure of Moveon

The only issue Webb and I agree on is that we should not be in Iraq. Every other issue other than Iraq, Webb sides with the GOP.

[brentspeak]

13. "Every issue other than Iraq, Webb sides with the GOP."

Prove it. Right here, right now. We know about the temporary FISA law. We know about the irrelevant Cornyn resolution. But please detail to us all the other votes where Webb has "sided with the GOP."

You can have as long as you want.

[Robbien]

25. Don't need long

Webb voted for "emergency" supplimental for continuation of Iraq death and destruction
Webb voted for Real ID funding
Webb voted for fence between US and Mexico
Webb voted against drugs from Canada
Webb voted for English as US common language

and on and on
http://www.vote-smart.org/voting_category.php?can_id=MVA43018

Not much on that page I agree with at all.

[brentspeak]

29. I guess you don't agree with THESE Webb votes:

Alternative Energy Subsidies - Webb voted YES
Student Loan Lender Subsidy Cuts and Student Grants - Webb voted YES
Bridge Repair Funding - Webb voted YES
State Children’s Health Insurance Program (SCHIP) Reauthorization - Webb voted YES
Union Organization Bill - Webb voted YES
Clean Energy Achievement Criteria - Webb voted YES
Habeus Corpus for Detainees of the United States - Webb voted YES
District of Columbia House Voting Rights Act of 2007 - Webb voted YES
Lobbying and Donation Regulations - Webb voted YES
Attorney General No Confidence Vote - Webb voted YES
HOPE Stem Cell Research Act of 2007 - Webb voted YES

Lots more there.

BTW, I agree with the English as US common language bill.
Also, you deliberately misrepresented his vote on the Iraq supplemental; the actual title is,
"Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Bill of 2007 with Iraq Withdrawal Timeline"

[Robbien]

31. But as you see, Webb votes with GOPers

many times. Many many times.

You seem to believe this is a time of bi-partisanship. Webb seems to believe the same thing also.

GOPers believe all persons left of their beliefs are the enemy. They are at war.

Webb believes no such thing. Other than leaving Iraq, go along to get along appears to be his motto.

[spanone]

5. I think everyone here cares more about the Webb bill but it's fucking dead.

[malaise]

6. I agree 100%, but I'd have loved the Dems to

ignore Cornyn's resolution. Dems need to be very careful not to shift the talking points from today's headlines to Rethug talking points. Dems won all the headlines today.

[madfloridian]

7. The Webb bill is dead. And the talk nice Dems hurt free speech today.

.

[HiFructosePronSyrup]

15. Dog and pony shows are fine.

But some things you just don't fuck with, freedom of the press being one of them.

[uppityperson]

20. Why do you assume we haven't done both?

edited to add, are you ignoring me. tiny tear

[SalviaBlue]

22. I care very much about BOTH

and I am very capable of multitasking.

[Evoman]

23. Do you care about the Cornyn dog and pony show?

Because if you care 100% more of 0, your still caring 0.

[KoKo]

24. You want to know the TRUTH about the Webb Amendment?

Read this and go to the link for the rest of the article at KOS:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x1857270

[pinto]

26. On cloture:

The procedure for "invoking cloture," or ending a filibuster, is as follows:

>A minimum of sixteen senators must sign a petition for cloture.

>The petition may be presented by interrupting another Senator's speech.

>The clerk reads the petition.

>The cloture petition is ignored for one full day during which the Senate is sitting (If the petition is filed on a Friday, it is ignored until Tuesday, assuming that the Senate did not sit on Saturday or Sunday.)

>On the second calendar day during which the Senate sits after the presentation of the petition, after the Senate has been sitting for one hour, a "quorum call" is undertaken to ensure that a majority of the Senators are present.

>The President of the Senate or President pro tempore presents the petition.

>The Senate votes on the petition; three-fifths of the whole number of Senators (sixty with no vacancies) is the required majority; however, when cloture is invoked on a question of changing the rules of the Senate, two-thirds of the Senators voting (not necessarily two-thirds of all Senators) is the requisite majority.

After cloture has been invoked, the following restrictions apply:

>No more than thirty hours of debate may occur.

>No Senator may speak for more than one hour.

>No amendments may be moved unless they were filed on the day in between the presentation
of the petition and the actual cloture vote.

>All amendments must be relevant to the debate.

>Certain debates on procedure are not permissible.

>The presiding officer gains additional power in controlling debate.

>No other matters may be considered until the question upon which cloture was invoked is disposed of.

[KoKo]

32. What you are talking about is for Cloture. Vote...could you address the rest of the original article

[pinto]

33. Yeah. The kos poster makes some good points. The onus ought to be on the (R)'s.

Under Senate rule 22, there need not be an actual filibuster - the well-known endless speeches - to count under Senate rules as a filibuster.

The intent to filibuster is equivalent, now.

On unanimous consent, if one Senator objects, the *original action* is reinstated. In this case, unanimous consent to move to a cloture vote was to stop the intent to filibuster - which, under the rules, was the original action.

Objection would have essentially continued debate with no vote coming to the floor.

Folks don't realize that the Senate has basically replaced the filibuster with the cloture vote.

They still go through the procedure, but filibusters are a thing of the past.

[pinto]

34. Text of Senate Rule 22:

Standing Rules of the Senate
RULE XXII
PRECEDENCE OF MOTIONS
1. When a question is pending, no motion shall be received but

To adjourn.

To adjourn to a day certain, or that when the Senate adjourn it shall be to a day certain.

To take a recess.

To proceed to the consideration of executive business.

To lay on the table.

To postpone indefinitely.

To postpone to a day certain.

To commit.

To amend.

Which several motions shall have precedence as they stand arranged; and the motions relating to adjournment, to take a recess, to proceed to the consideration of executive business, to lay on the table, shall be decided without debate.

2. Notwithstanding the provisions of rule II or rule IV or any other rule of the Senate, at any time a motion signed by sixteen Senators, to bring to a close the debate upon any measure, motion, other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, is presented to the Senate, the Presiding Officer, or clerk at the direction of the Presiding Officer, shall at once state the motion to the Senate, and one hour after the Senate meets on the following calendar day but one, he shall lay the motion before the Senate and direct that the clerk call the roll, and upon the ascertainment that a quorum is present, the Presiding Officer shall, without debate, submit to the Senate by a yea-and-nay vote the question:

"Is it the sense of the Senate that the debate shall be brought to a close?" And if that question shall be decided in the affirmative by three-fifths of the Senators duly chosen and sworn -- except on a measure or motion to amend the Senate rules, in which case the necessary affirmative vote shall be two-thirds of the Senators present and voting -- then said measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, shall be the unfinished business to the exclusion of all other business until disposed of.

Thereafter no Senator shall be entitled to speak in all more than one hour on the measure, motion, or other matter pending before the Senate, or the unfinished business, the amendments thereto, and motions affecting the same, and it shall be the duty of the Presiding Officer to keep the time of each Senator who speaks. Except by unanimous consent, no amendment shall be proposed after the vote to bring the debate to a close, unless it had been submitted in writing to the Journal Clerk by 1 o'clock p.m. on the day following the filing of the cloture motion if an amendment in the first degree, and unless it had been so submitted at least one hour prior to the beginning of the cloture vote if an amendment in the second degree. No dilatory motion, or dilatory amendment, or amendment not germane shall be in order. Points of order, including questions of relevancy, and appeals from the decision of the Presiding Officer, shall be decided without debate.

After no more than thirty hours of consideration of the measure, motion, or other matter on which cloture has been invoked, the Senate shall proceed, without any further debate on any question, to vote on the final disposition thereof to the exclusion of all amendments not then actually pending before the Senate at that time and to the exclusion of all motions, except a motion to table, or to reconsider and one quorum call on demand to establish the presence of a quorum (and motions required to establish a quorum) immediately before the final vote begins. The thirty hours may be increased by the adoption of a motion, decided without debate, by a threefifths affirmative vote of the Senators duly chosen and sworn, and any such time thus agreed upon shall be equally divided between and controlled by the Majority and Minority Leaders or their designees. However, only one motion to extend time, specified above, may be made in any one calendar day.

If, for any reason, a measure or matter is reprinted after cloture has been invoked, amendments which were in order prior to the reprinting of the measure or matter will continue to be in order and may be conformed and reprinted at the request of the amendment's sponsor. The conforming changes must be limited to lineation and pagination.

No Senator shall call up more than two amendments until every other Senator shall have had the opportunity to do likewise.

Notwithstanding other provisions of this rule, a Senator may yield all or part of his one hour to the majority or minority floor managers of the measure, motion, or matter or to the Majority or Minority Leader, but each Senator specified shall not have more than two hours so yielded to him and may in turn yield such time to other Senators.

Notwithstanding any other provision of this rule, any Senator who has not used or yielded at least ten minutes, is, if he seeks recognition, guaranteed up to ten minutes, inclusive, to speak only.

After cloture is invoked, the reading of any amendment, including House amendments, shall be dispensed with when the proposed amendment has been identified and has been available in printed form at the desk of the Members for not less than twenty four hours.

[FrenchieCat]

27. Amen.......

Dog and pony show will win the day though....cause us Democrats can't see the forest for the trees!

[mudesi]

28. Well if the Democrats had VOTED IT DOWN, it wouldn't be an issue! (nm)

[juajen]

30. God, folks, this is just unseemly.

I will go and sin some more.