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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:29 PM
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Congress Put The Final Nail In The Democracy Coffin Yesterday...Or So They Think
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 12:33 PM by RestoreGore
I will start by stating that I have not always been a fan of Moveon.org. However, I am an American who believes in the Constitution, and what Congress did yesterday in censuring their right to free speech and dissent was nothing less than treasonous to that very Constitution and a slap in the face to every American citizen regardless of party, because that one vote told us unequivocably to shut up and be subservient. That TRUTH is the enemy. That we will be punished for a dissenting opinion in a country born from dissent. That we cannot redress our government for grievances and speak our hearts and minds as any people have the right to do in a free and open society because this is no longer an open and free society. It told us that we are simply pawns to be used when votes or donations are needed, but apart from that we are simply a nuisance... of course, that is until they need to take our children from us into their slave trade of war and death. Oh yes, then we matter very much.

I am sitting here typing this as the tears roll down my face because right now I feel helpless in knowing what to do now because I am so stunned by it all. I have been aware of the encroaching fascism in this country all these past years, but you know how sometimes you sit taking it all in and in one moment of thinking of or looking at something it then suddenly all hits you like a ton of bricks? Well, that happened to me this morning looking into my son's eyes and thinking of the world we are making for our children, and then the anger and sadness set in.

Over the years I have signed mountains of petitions, made thousands of phone calls, stood in the streets in my community, written hundreds of letters and blog posts, and literally talked to hundreds of people not only about the loss of our precious Democracy and OUR responsibility in getting it back, but also about the environmental catastrophe that no longer awaits us, but is UPON US now and the urgency that we must feel in order to do something NOW to mitigate it because we are not only losing our Democracy, but our very way of sustaining ourselves on this planet. And I feel as if I have only been talking into the air, and believe it more and more with every step Congress takes that brings them farther and farther away from what our Founders penned in that Constitution.

So I then have to ask the question: Are we as a people truly too far gone in our own apathy and fear to give a damn anymore? And that question is the reason for my tears, because the reality that it may be true comes up against the part of me that refuses to believe it, because I simply can't believe it and look at my son with truthful hopeful eyes. Is all we do really making a damn difference?

Between the election thefts, the wiretapping, the "free speech" zones, the torture, the evisceration of our Constitution via the Patriot Act, the Military Commissions Act, the Real Id Act, and countless other votes aimed at declaring the American people the enemy, I see that the enemy is not only some foreign entity seeking to do us harm, it is right here in the halls of Congress and in our own White House, and that enemy is FEAR.

How do we break this cycle? I am actually astounded myself that people favored the treatment of a college student simply because they think he's a jerk who pushed his way in on a line. To me that incident contrary to what some here have stated was not about carrying a grudge for John Kerry, it was about what the actions that took place represented in the causality between our rights and the limits to freedom we see every day in this country that seem to not cause the level of outrage they should be causing...and that is frightening to me becaue I think people in this country are actually AFRAID to stand up for what is right because they think going against their party is treasonous, even if our country is sacrificed in the process.

For anyone to believe that political passion and outrage is grounds for the stomping on of those rights regardless of the demeanor of the person expressing his right is to me counter to all our Founders wrote about in regards to natural rights and natural law. It is an indignity to all Americans because if it can happen to one it can then happen to all of us or any of our children, and that should never stand in a society that claims to be "Democratic." But it did once again happen yesterday in a chamber I had always been brought up to believe was on our side, but now clearly know is not.

But I still won't give up even in my sorrow today. I will still talk to people, still make those phone calls when I am not busy working to make ends meet, write those letters, and continue to post on blogs regarding the urgency of the climate crisis and doing all I can to live the kind of life that I believe will do something to make it a better place for my child and also instill in him not be afraid to speak his mind for truth. Because through all of the anger, the disappointments, the heartaches, the sorrow, and the tears, one thing remains true and strong: Our natural right to freedom is one that NO government or politically expedient vote can or will EVER take away.

You hear that Bush? Cheney? Congress? NO government can EVER take away.

You declared us the enemy yesterday... And now I will fight even harder to make sure the Democracy and the world you continue to seek to kill through your greed and self important arrogance will still have breath in it as long as I'm an American, because as Al Gore stated in Australia yesterday simply and true, "It is about survival."
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:33 PM
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1. I don't understand how it was a nail in democracy's coffin yesterday
Moveon.org has free speech. So does Congress. They expressed disapproval.

To me, that was democracy in action. That's all a censure is, disapproval.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:34 PM
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3. Believe whatever gets you through the day
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 12:35 PM by RestoreGore
I think the OP explains my feelings clear enough.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:51 PM
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8. Their right to free speech wasn't censured
The Congress just disagreed. Don't they get free speech too?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:53 PM
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11. Sure, even Fascists have the right to free speech in this country
And even their enablers.
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:37 PM
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5. I think yesterday Congress turned into Fox News.
I guess it must have been bought out by Rupert Murdoch.

It's a disgrace for this country. Anybody who loves their country and is paying attention should be ashamed.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #5
13. Absolutely
But those who put party before country will never see that.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:05 PM
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18. You Speak TRUTH... But Tell Me... Who Is Listening??
I've been active since Viet Nam and in the trenches like so many of you, but either I hit the WALL or the WALL hit me!!!

I've called out IT'S TIME FOR REVOLUTION for almost 3 years now, but APATHY prevailed! And CORRUPTION wins in the end!
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:51 PM
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23. I am listening.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:01 PM
Response to Reply #23
25. We Need A MILLION More! n/t
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T Wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #1
7. BUT, what happens if and when the next level is breached - not just a
"censure" but a specific action to make that kind of ad illegal, or fine Move.on ala the FCC fines, or some other restrictive action?

What will the Dems do? I, for one, do not have any faith that they would not cave.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #7
16. Exactly. This vote was for censorship
And once again using fear and intimidation to shut people up.
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Individualist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #7
22. Well said. Yesterday was a first step in a very dangerous direction
and never should have been taken.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:55 PM
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14. The majority of Americans believe in the right to speak out.
The job of our congress is to represent us. They failed us yesterday. Our reps disapproved of an organizations right to free speech. Yeah, they have a right to express disapproval, but who are they representing/who's views are they expressing? Theirs or the people? Now we know. We know that 20 or so of our Dems do not believe in the right to speak out or to represent us. Now we have the right to boot them out, they do NOT represent us.

Quite simple that.

As for democracy, yes it was present yesterday. In their speaking out, we learned VOLUMES. One huge lesson was that the democracy we saw in action yesterday, was their expression to slash out a piece of it. We are all free to do that, but we all bear the consequences of our actions, or do we?

We fail at our job and we get fired. Their job was to represent us and they didn't. They should lose their jobs.

One question,

Aren't they sworn to uphold the constitution as it stands, or they allowed to cherry pick what they will honor in it?

just a strong one little person opinion.
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DearAbby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:33 PM
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2. Kick and Rec
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:36 PM
Response to Original message
4. hyperbole.
and just about every political cliche in the book.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:51 PM
Response to Reply #4
9.  No, that's exactly what this Congress is...
Hyperbole and every political chiche in the book.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:53 PM
Response to Reply #4
10. I agree. Apparently Congress doesn't have a right to free speech
Censure is just the expression of disapproval.
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:56 PM
Response to Reply #10
15. Again, WHO'S expression? Aren't they representing us?
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #15
27. They represent each of their states
How many of the yea votes were Blue Dogs and Southern Dems? Maybe they did represent their areas.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:04 PM
Response to Reply #27
33. Then I don't think much of "their areas" either
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #10
17. Why are you putting words in my mouth?
Who stated in this OP that Congress doesn't have the right to free speech? But does that free speech include the right to infringe on mine? Why are you trying to deflect the discussion? This Congress regardless of party also has a DUTY to represent the PEOPLE and they did not then represent them yesterday in their approval of censorship.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:05 PM
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26. How did their vote deflect your right to free speech
that is where you're losing me.

In my eyes, you and Congress have a disagreement.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:11 PM
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28. You can't see how that action affects all of us?
Sorry then. I can't help you there.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:19 PM
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30. No, all I can see is that you don't know how to answer my question
even though it's your hypothosis.

Either I agree with you, or you can't help me?

There's a nice way to have a discussion.

Is that all you were after? Responses like "I do SO agree" "Right ON!" and such? Not prepared to have an actual discussion on a discussion board?

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:23 PM
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32. it was already in the OP
It is an indignity to all Americans because if it can happen to one it can then happen to all of us or any of our children, and that should never stand in a society that claims to be "Democratic."
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:52 PM
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24. Then why not censure Petraus, who gave us proof of WMDs in iraq?
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:20 PM
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31. Good question. Let's see if you get an answer
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:45 PM
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6. I'm glad now that the asswipes did this. Now things will get
interesting. Now we'll finally have to fight this mess out. Now well will finally have to let them know that we won't stand for their republican-lite bullshit.

They drew the line in the sand yesterday. And now we have to cross it.
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #6
12. I still have two of my favorite Senators who voted nay
and a presidential candidate who abstained because the whole thing was stupid. I can respect that too.
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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:12 PM
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19. The question then is, will we cross it? n/t
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:20 PM
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21. I hope so. If we don't we're just giving up, voluntarily, one more
right.
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ChiciB1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:20 PM
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20. I Cry Too & My Heart Also Breaks Because I've Done All The Things
you've done these many years. I don't WANT to give up, but I no longer believe it begins with just one person! Regardless of what anyone thinks of Cindy Sheehan, what will her legacy be?? In 25 years what will they say about her? Or will they even remember her? She put herself out there for what she believed in and for the most part, she seems to have become the Jane Fonda of this generation!!

IF ANYTHING will ever get done, IF ANYTHING CAN get done, it's going to take so much more than us sitting here hurting and having our hearts ache! I'm one of those who remembers when C-Span started and have watched from the beginning, so I'm no newbie here. Through the years I've learned "how to stay focused" each time we lost a Presidential election. I put the smile on my face and remained determined that I would fight on, but NOW... I just don't know!

I just don't know!

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RestoreGore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:17 PM
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29. I hear you...
yes, doing more than sitting here hurting... I think that is where the fear then sets in in not knowing where that will lead us.
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