Since the Dems can't seem to pass anything but gas, IMPEACHMENT would give them something to do

[hisownpetard]

until Jan. '09. They certainly have the time for it, if they have time to discuss and condemn
a lousy newspaper ad, for God's sake.

I also have a feeling that the Dems who signed on to that censure of the MoveOn ad might
find their coffers a bit more barren than usual. (At least I hope so).

[JDPriestly]

1. Excellent.

And, if they impeach for criminal conduct, they may be able to argue that the president's claim of privilege does not apply.

[hisownpetard]

12. Thanks! I'm keeping my fingers (and eyes, and legs) crossed, hoping against hope! nt

[bellasgrams]

2. If Webb can't get enough votes

for our soldiers how do you think they can get enough votes to impeach. Get real.

[hisownpetard]

5. You don't seem to grasp the meaning of 'impeachment.' It is a fact-finding mission.

There is no counting of votes in the beginning because, presumably, as information
is discovered and the facts present themselves, people's opinions may change.
(Believe it or not, this is what happens with most people, as more information
is received by the brain).

Therefore, the final tally would have nothing to do with a preliminary poll of opinions.

Hope this helps.

[AuntPatsy]

3. I have to say, for a dem bashing post that was by far the best, humor

sometimes is the key in getting more positive attention....

For what it is worth, I think they should be impeaching as well, I know some people feel it is a waste of time but honestly, the things I have been watching them do on cspan lately, and I mean all of them prove to me at least that wasting time is nothing new to them.

That being said, we need to continue to stand behind the dems and let them know we will back them up at the same time pushing them for all we are worth, our country and the future of this country depends on us the people for the first time in a long long long time.

Are we up to the challenge?

[hisownpetard]

9. Thanks (I think) for the compliment. I do agree that we have to stand behind the Dems strongly,

which is why I was so stunned that Harry Reid allowed that ridiculous debate concerning the MoveOn
ad to move to the floor. And I think the 22 Dems who voted FOR it should be taken out behind the barn
and lashed with a wheat frond. What were they thinking?? Does Congress have so much time on its hands that
its members can now start to debate newspaper advertisements?

As of this writing, I have to say that I'm not wild about Harry. But we have to fight with the Senate we've got,
right?

[AuntPatsy]

10. Yes right we have to fight, but no, not with the senate, not on this one, we have to fight

them to ensure they begin fighting the real fight and not allow diversion tactics to waylay the most important war that we have ever been forced to stand up for and that of course is the war to stop the destruction and outright annihilation of our freedom and rights that Americans both past and present have struggled to retain since this country was founded...

It would be good to force them all into seven day twelve hour classrooms rooms relearn the history of how this county has evolved and just exactly why our forefathers fought and won independence from the clutches of the then "King George"

[hisownpetard]

11. Yes. And we can't afford to let our willpower flag or our determination sag, even in the face of

defeats, like yesterday's. We can't afford to let up on this. Anyone got the oxygen handy?
I need to take a deeeeep breath.

[daninthemoon]

4. They haven't stopped bushler or his war.They've slowed neither.

They have accelerated both.

[hisownpetard]

13. Sad but true. Still, we have to keep trying...

[shaniqua6392]

6. The Dems can not even pass gas right now.

What a bunch of disappointments they have given us.

[hisownpetard]

7. I know! I'm starting to dislike some of them as much (but not quite) as Repugs. It's such a

huge disappointment, after partying like it was 1999 when they "won" the last election.
I sure hope Happy Days are ahead, because they sure ain't here now!!

[rodeodance]

24. they need to eat some cheeze curds

[Freddie Stubbs]

8. Considering the vote for FISA and the MoveOn resolution, how successful would this be?

:shrug:

[hisownpetard]

14. i think the basis for the decision cannot be 'how successful would this be,'

but 'What is the right thing to do, based on the facts of what the Repubs have
done to this country and our Constitution." We just cannot let their transgressions stand.

We won't be judged on whether we won or lost a vote: we WILL be judged on whether
we believed in our principles and stood up for them.

[JackRiddler]

15. Sadly I don't think it will affect their fundraising.

Most of it comes from economic interests flush with cash, not from people who care about a given issue no matter how important.

[hisownpetard]

16. Well, they're not getting my $1.80 till they do something to earn it. n/t

[Senator]

17. K&R&I

[hisownpetard]

18. Thanks! n/t

[cali]

19. I hate to disappont you

but neither Senator Leahy's coffers or is popularity within the state, are in the slightest danger of suffering because of this vote.

[Senator]

20. Well, I don't mean to disappoint you, but...

...leaving aside the truth of the statement, could you explain why that would be a good thing?

--

[cali]

21. Certainly.

voted againsst the IWR. Also made the most prescient speech about what would happen.

votes against funding the war.

wrote and sponsored the Habeas Restoration Act.

wrote and sponsored the War Profiteering Act.

has held 50 hearings on bushco malfeasance, leading to the resignations of Rove, gonzo and others.

issued subpoenas.

wrote legislation curtailing the selling of cluster bombs to Israel.

has actually criticized Israel.

is excellent on environmental issue- and that's important to us Vermonters.

There's lots more. He's been an excellent Senator for 32 years. I can't see ditching him because he makes a vote now and then that I disagree with. And I don't see this as a vital vote.

As I said, I'm not alone. Vermonters love and support Senator Leahy.

[Senator]

22. Certainly not what I asked.

But since you chose to list his "activity," I would just point out that none of this busyness has achieved a positive result.

And in fact, his acceptance that habeas is something that can be "restored" (or not) -- as opposed to being an inviolable right, demanding prosecution of those who fail to provide it -- puts him, unwittingly perhaps, on the side of the regime and not the Constitution.

As he was when he failed to object to the unlawful Florida (2001) and Ohio (2005) electors.

And as he is now by refusing to ACT to stop the ongoing torture and war crimes.

It remains to be seen whether or not this turns out to be a "vital vote." But I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it did.

Because moveon.org is far from alone too.

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[OzarkDem]

23. Leahy seems to have lost his way

He's obviously been compromised. Even if he is re-lected, we should lobby Dems to replace him in leadership, along with Pelosi, Reid and a few others.