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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 01:22 PM
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"Citizens' Health Care Working Group" Ignores Citizens
Is there more support for a single payer system than we are being told?

Congressional Task Force Disregards Public’s Call for National Health Insurance
http://www.pnhp.org/news/2006/october/citizens_health_ca.php

"The group created by Congress to listen to Americans’ ideas for improving the health system has ignored their overwhelming advice to create a national health insurance program. Although a national health program was by far the most favored option at 86 percent (25 of 29) of the meetings of the Citizens’ Health Care Working Group (CHCWG), the group’s recommendations avoid the clear public preference for government-guaranteed health coverage.

When given a choice of ten reform options at public hearings held by the CHCWG, participants clearly favored a national health program by a margin of at least 3 to 1. At meetings where participants were asked to rank the 10 options, national health insurance was ranked first 16 of 19 times...


Most supporters of a national health program favor a single-payer system, which retain the private delivery of health care by physicians and hospitals, but organizes payment under a single public agency. A 2003 study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that a single-payer national health insurance program would save enough on administrative costs — more than $300 billion per year — to cover all of the uninsured and provide full benefits for everyone else.

The 15-member CHCWG was created as a part of the 2003 Medicare drug bill to hold public hearings on health care and make recommendations to the President and Congress on “ways to improve and strengthen the health care system based on the information and preferences expressed at the community meetings.”

To see the meeting data from the CHCWG report, follow this link:

http://pnhp.org/PDF_files/Last_Page_from_appendix_b.pdf

Summary and data reports from individual community meetings can be found at: http://www.citizenshealthcare.gov


Our Health Care System: We Listened to Americans and Sent Six Recommendations to Congress and the President:

http://www.citizenshealthcare.gov

"Thousands of Americans have spoken, and the independent, nonpartisan Citizens’ Health Care Working Group formulated recommendations based on this extensive public input.

For over 15 months, the Working Group engaged the American people in an open dialogue about the current state of our health care system. You shared your experiences generously, expressing your concerns, wishes, and expectations about the health care system and how you want it changed. Based on what you told us, the Citizens’ Working Group sent recommendations to the Congress and the President September 29, 2006..."



Strong support for national health program

http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/bobhealthcareadvocate/CXvg

"From the final report of the working group established by the U.S. Congress, the Citizens Health Care Working Group <Link> (bolding was added below):

Page 40 -- A commonly expressed view was that a simpler system would result in lower administrative costs. Participants believed that a more straightforward health care system would reduce administrative costs by eliminating duplication of services. At a number of meetings throughout the country, many individuals advocated a single-payer system to eliminate the middleman, possibly one structured like Medicare or similar to the public school system. Under this type of system, everyone would pay taxes to support the system, even though, as with education, they might not use the services. Participants advocating the single payer concept said it would be the most efficient way to organize health care.

SUMMARY OF PERCENTAGE RESULTS ---- Following are the averages for the 10 meetings for which the percentage votes is provided in the CHCWG
report (on Appendix page B-7 ... detailed data is below)
7% Individual Tax Incentives
7% Expand State Medicaid, SCHIP, etc.
3% Rely on Free Market
7% Expand Medicare/FEHBP
4% Expand Employer Tax Incentives
4% Employer Insurance Mandate
3% Expand Neighborhood Health clinics
47% Create a National Health Program <---<---<---<---<---<---<---
15% Individual Insurance Mandate

2% Increase State Program Flexibility

The Physician's for a National Health Program (PNHP) post about the CHCWG results <Link>. accurately describes the results as follows: "When given a choice of ten reform options at public hearings held by the CHCWG, participants clearly favored a national health program by a margin of at least 3 to 1." That 3 to 1 margin would be the 47& (above) as compared to the 15% (above).

However, look at a comparison to all of the other options, such as the reliance on the free market, which is a ratio of 15 to 1."





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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:04 PM
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1. K&R -- What silliness!
It's named "Citizen's" Health care working group! Citizens were given the name! What more could you want in a democracy? Surely, after such a generous and respectful offer by naming the group after "citizen"s, your argument falls moot. (/satire)

Or, maybe it's not silliness after all.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:23 PM
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3. Some interesting numbers who favored a single payer system.
We are told the public would never go along with that system, it appears we should be trying to build on the base that is already in place.

Thanks for the silliness of a K&R :)
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:26 PM
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5. "We are told the public would never go along with that system"
Yeah... hmmmmm... where does all that truthy "conventional wisdom" come from, anyhow?

:think:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:37 PM
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6. Those who have a real interest in the subject....of profits? n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:46 PM
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7. The top candidates seem to have bought it... they're not challenging it.
Hmmm...
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:37 PM
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12. Yes, the top candidates bought it and are now selling it to the
people, who are buying it :(
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:48 PM
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9. "conventional wisdom?"
A 2003 study in the New England Journal of Medicine found that a single-payer national health insurance program would save enough on administrative costs — more than $300 billion per year — to cover all of the uninsured and provide full benefits for everyone else.

Read more...


Those who pay for medical care are already paying enough to insure every last woman, man, AND child! The truth is that the existing U.S. healthcare system per capita is in most cases twice as expensive as other countries that provide care to everyone.

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:04 PM
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11. *sigh*
And STILL Duers will shout you down, saying Dennis could NEVER, EVER get his plan passed.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:18 PM
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2. Great find.
:thumbsup:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:25 PM
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4. Thanks, I'm sure it's been posted here before, but who wants
to look at all that information???
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:47 PM
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8. Gosh, another betrayal of trust...
...imagine that.

K & R

:kick:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:37 PM
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13. Thank you for the K&R n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:43 PM
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16. Only 3 recs?
:wtf:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:51 PM
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18. Lack of a proper buzzword in the title n/t
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:04 PM
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19. Health care should be a buzzword, IMO.
x(
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:23 PM
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21. It's just not sexy enough, but you are 100% correct...
health care and war costs are going to bury our nation IMO. After seeing Sicko I decided to go into a couple of pharmacies this summer while on vacation. Topical prescription medicine for my son (Differin) cost me $109.00 After my insurance paid their portion, it cost $9.00 in Istanbul and $25.00 in Italy.

Thanks for the

:kick: 's
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:41 PM
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22. The pleasure is all mine
:7

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depakid Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 02:51 PM
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10. As if this commission was ever interested in public comment or input
Like so many things on the national level- it's just a dog and pony show.
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:41 PM
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14. Most likely catered by the insurance industry. nt
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:42 PM
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15. True, except we should not buy the repeated claims by our
candidates that the public would never support a single payer system. As Kucinich has said if the other candidates are not up to the task of real reform on HC for the people, maybe the people should elect someone who is :)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 03:46 PM
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17. 47% Create a National Health Program...just a repeat.
SUMMARY OF PERCENTAGE RESULTS ---- Following are the averages for the 10 meetings for which the percentage votes is provided in the CHCWG

report (on Appendix page B-7 ... detailed data is below)

7% Individual Tax Incentives
7% Expand State Medicaid, SCHIP, etc.
3% Rely on Free Market
7% Expand Medicare/FEHBP
4% Expand Employer Tax Incentives
4% Employer Insurance Mandate
3% Expand Neighborhood Health clinics
47% Create a National Health Program <---<---<---<---<---<---<---<---<---<---
15% Individual Insurance Mandate
2% Increase State Program Flexibility

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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 04:21 PM
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20. All that stuff about how we could NEVER pass single-payer...
Hello?

:kick:
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eridani Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 02:10 AM
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28. The people making billions from killing off the un- and under insured
--don't want single payer. That's why we can't have it.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:49 PM
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23. Kick again.
I'd love to see some comments from the "single payer would never pass" crowd.
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:21 PM
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24. .....
:toast:
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Trillo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:04 PM
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25. kick!
:kick:
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:08 PM
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26. Thank you, it's just not an important issue :( n/t
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area51 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 10:27 PM
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27. kick. (n/t)
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slipslidingaway Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:38 PM
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29. Thanks n/t
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