So I am assuming that since Hillary is demanding proof of insurance

[Horse with no Name]

That we citizens will no longer be providing healthcare for ANY elected official--including President?
They can get it on their own? At THEIR own expense?
If she is elected President--I demand she show me HER fucking proof of insurance that is not being paid by MY taxes.

[Donnachaidh]

1. after Bill's heart problems her premiums should be high

let her pay for her OWN.

[Horse with no Name]

3. No shit!

How DARE she "envision a day when you have to show proof of insurance to work"?
Give me a fucking break.
What if you are unemployed and can barely afford to eat? Let alone pay sky high premiums for health insurance.:mad:
Does that mean you can never be employed again?

[HereSince1628]

5. What if you're employed 30 hours a week and don't get benefits?

I personally think that all part time workers should qualify for employer contributions to benefits paid to full time workers based on the fraction of full time every employee works.

That way people forced to work multiple part time jobs could pool employer contributions to purchase health-insurance through a pooled plan operated by the state for such workers.

[Horse with no Name]

6. My daughter works 40+ hours a week

3 weeks a month...then works 14 hours that week.
This keeps her ineligible for benefits.

[HereSince1628]

21. I know that it happens to many people. And it really sucks.

THERE OUGHT TO BE A LAW. A law that discourages employers from hiring part-time rather than full-time because that allows employers to evade contributing to benefits.

It's not only Wal-Mart type corporations that are doing this...it is also public and private institutions of higher education. The current college biology programt I teach in has 2 full-time and 6 part-time instructors. It could be 4 fulltime positions but the college avoids the overhead using what they term as "Fractional Employees"--based on that rhetoric it seems to me the School Sisters of Notre Damn know that the don't treat all employees as complete people. But the trustees, who are business people, apparently like it that way cuz it's cheap.

If part-timers could function as a pool of consumers and have their contributions from each and every employer submitted to the gov't to be distributed to a provider with the employee kicking in the missing fraction would help a lot of people to at least have some level of preventive care and protection against catastrophic medical events.

[Whisp]

4. I think she and her kind at the trough have Great Coupons

for stuff like this.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

9. You bet. They get the 100% off discount for services rendered.

[Cleita]

2. Good point.

Her plan won't pass a Democratic Congress anyway. It's too expensive because there seems to be no cap on what private insurers can charge, so it could be a big candy store giveaway like the Medicare prescription benefit was for the PHARMA industry. Single Payer Universal Health Care or extending an improved Medicare to everyone is the only way to go.

[DURHAM D]

7. Nice - Drudge and the Post print a lie and it ends up here. n/t

[Horse with no Name]

11. Actually my source was here at DU

But nice to know you frequent Drudge...I've never been there.:hi:

[DURHAM D]

16. I have never visited Druge either.

If you did a little more research instead of flaming you would have found the debunk as well but I believe that is not in your interest.

[Horse with no Name]

19. Too funny

dream on. But thanks for the "insight".
I'm trying really hard to keep my list updated.

[leftchick]

12. it is from right here on DU

it is no secret she wants to see everyone have insurance before getting a job. pretty fucked up.

[liberalnurse]

8. The more people bitch and moan...instead of ask how they can help....

the longer thousands will die young without health insurance. Hillary's got a strong focus on preventative care along with prescription drugs.

You have no idea of number of people who can't afford their blood pressure medicine, diabetic pills, insulin, and all the necessary lab work to accompany the prescriptive care. How many women actually get mammograms?

I see at least 30 people a day in health crisis status due to no insurance and an inability to secure physician's care. That is a low-ball number every day....4-10 hour days a week!

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[liberalnurse]

13. Please respond to my request.

Thank You.O8)

[Horse with no Name]

15. If you change your misleading post

I will be glad to.

[Donnachaidh]

14. strong focus with NO CAPS

so health industry and pharma have a field day -- but hey, it's job security for you, right?

[liberalnurse]

17. Not at all....Maybe indirectly, but I doubt it.

I want to see preventative, maintenance health care delivered.

[sandnsea]

20. Excuse Me. I'm that person.

I have susidized insurance and support it. However, I can also say it's not that great, as many people with crappy insurance can attest to.

Having said that, if I was 'required' to have this - and had to wait until tax season to get help??? Pssht. What a joke. The Democrats better come up with something better than this because the 50% who don't vote are getting angrier every day.

[liberalnurse]

23. I know your glad at heart

that you have some coverage. So very many have nothing...in the end, they suffer.

[sandnsea]

28. yeah. me.

I just got it a few weeks ago. I've had nothing for 20 years. I now have crappy insurance, as seen in sicko. I still have to be pretty sick to go to the doctor because I'll still end up with collections problems because of the $500 deductible and co-pays. But since I can afford the monthly premium, because I have generous self-employment deductions, at least I'll get care if I get cancer.

I get generous monthly subsidies. If I had to pay $900 a month and wait for a tax credit, I would have to live in my car because Hillary wants me to be required to have this. It is not acceptable. They still do not understand that none of their plans have helped working families.

[warren pease]

29. I hate to keep cannibalizing my own posts, but...

If you wanted to design a new health care delivery system for this country, what sensible person would start by inviting the participation of the single most destructive element in the current one? Get these goddamned parasites out of the health care business and let them make money elsewhere -- maybe hedgefund insurance against catastrophic market conditions that cause pain and suffering among the elite would be a more appropriate line of work.

The following is the nature of single payer, which is the only workable alternative to this deadly joke that's currently killing around 18,000 people a year because making gobs of money is incompatible with performing the industry's stated purpose -- covering subscribers' medical costs.


One nation, one payer.

Everybody in, nobody out.

No pre-existing conditions.

No doctor bills.

No hospital bills.

No deductibles.

No co-pays.

No in network.

No out of network.

No corporate profits.

No more medical bankruptcies.


In my opinion, to get to single-payer, we need to separate the idea of health care from the idea of health insurance.

Health care is what happens when patients and health care professionals interact to, in the best case, successfully diagnose and treat a medical condition or injury.

Health insurance is the protection money you have to pay the middle man to enable this transaction and keep you out of bankruptcy court. Why would you want to give some parasite intermediary who does absolutely nothing to provide health care a single damn penny?

The relationship of health care to insurance is manufactured out of thin air by the US obsession with applying market-based, privatized solutions to nationalized social problems.

To create a rational system that doesn't require us to bet against our own mortality, that linkage must disappear in favor of a system that treats health care as a basic human right rather than a privilege to be auctioned off to the highest bidder.

See Kucinich's plan for details: http://tinyurl.com/2ypqmz

He's the only candidate advocating single-payer, universal-access; Hillary and the rest are all doing the corporate suck-up dance, dressing up the same tired, deadly system in a bunch of new happy talk that attempts to mask their primary objective: ensuring the continued profitability of the health insurance parasites.

Shameless bastards that they are, they need to be called on their bullshit and exposed as liars and slaves to the status quo, a condition so dear to the hearts of their campaign "contributors" that they're willing to spend millions to preserve it. Pretty good investment, since aggregate medical insurance profits reach well into the hundreds of billions every year.

And for every buck, there's a trail of misery and death created by claims denials; refusals to pay legitimate, pre-approved expenses; refusals to authorize life-saving procedures; drug "benefits" that could bankrupt a CEO; and, the crowning insult, forcing sick and less-than-fully-functional people to fight for their rights by going toe-to-toe with professional sharks and their cadres of attorneys, who've simply decided to stall until the claimant finally dies or loses the will to continue the fight.

And that's known as prudent business practices and is the norm throughout the industry. There are no altruists in the medical insurance business; only predators.


wp

[Horse with no Name]

31. Excellent.

:thumbsup:

[ljm2002]

18. There you go!

I love it! Require proof of insurance before anyone can run for office.

Well maybe I don't love it -- it might work against some good candidates, especially for minor and local offices. But still it is certainly a logical response to her ridiculous "vision" of a future where we have to show proof of insurance to work.

Pretty soon we'll need a license to breathe.

[EFerrari]

22. Please do not nominate her.

I cannot vote for her.

[TheUniverse]

24. I Don't understand her plan.

I heard her say that she would require proof of insurance before a job. Does that mean if you are poor and have no no insurance you wont be able to get a job. How is that gonna help anybody out? Or am I not understanding it correctly?

[HughMoran]

25. It's clear that people haven't listened to her

and her optional coverage. I want health insurance for me and my family. If you dont' want it - fuck off and stop killing my family with your rhetoric.

[Horse with no Name]

26. It's clear that they have

The enablers are out in full force.
I haven't killed anyone--in fact, you supporting her plan WILL.
We don't need corporations and profit involved in healthcare.

[HughMoran]

33. Everything about insurance SUCKS now

I am not hearing any other solutions and she has a plan that you KNOW KNOW KNOW will not be passed by Congress without concerns like yours met. This is typical bashing of the one you hate using white/black arguments. I am THRILLED that she is talking about reforming the AWFUL healthcare system and getting hopefully ALL AMericans on healthcare. What is your solution and who is touting it?

[Horse with no Name]

34. It is not typical bashing

It is NOT a viable solution for many Americans. Obviously it is for you because you are for it.
Fuck the ones left behind, eh?
You got yourse, etc...
I HAVE healthcare. I can't foresee a time when I won't.
However, I am not concerned about myself, I am concerned about the ones who DO NOT have it.
The system needs reformed...but the problem with the system is the for-profit angle. Until that is out of the equation, then the plan isn't acceptable.
I don't have a candidate yet so I really have no dog in this hunt, yet.

[HughMoran]

35. We all are for healthcare for those who do not have it.

I understand that for-profit is a BIG problem and I do not think it should be for-profit either. BUT, I am 100% sure that there is not a snowballs chance in hell of going straight from where we are to a not-for-profit system. I COMMEND Hillary for having the GUTS to even discuss this issue and for proposing SOMETHING. I don't have a candidate either, but I am trying like heck to give them a chance and not only post about NEGATIVE aspects of the candidates. I think that is an unhealthy practice for DU and for the future of the country as a whole. The biggest probelm we have as a nation now is the million chiefs and NO indians - so NOTHING good ever gets done. If you think a radical idea from a new President will pass without concensus, they you are not being realistic IMO.

[EFerrari]

27. Yes, the rest of us should just fuck off and die with no insurance.

That's a good, progressive policy in the making.

[SaveElmer]

30. Did you read her plan?

And if I go back and search will I see the same complaints from you about Edwards plan...which after all has the same requirement?

[Horse with no Name]

32. Show me where Edwards plan says that you can't get a job without insurance.

I'll be waiting.

[SaveElmer]

36. Right...

So Edwards requires everyone purchase insurance but they aren't going to enforce it? The fact is, the only way to make universal insurance work, is to require everyone to have it...

Of course not only does Edwards require everyone purchase insurance, he is gonna require everyone get a yearly physical...

[AZBlue]

37. Nice way to support a lie.

I'm not really a fan of her healthcare plan, but there's no requirement anywhere in it for proof of ID. This lie came from a quote of hers, stating that somewhere in the future, when we all have insurance, she could envision companies requiring proof of insurance just like they now require proof of citizenship.

Way to go!
:sarcasm: