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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:00 PM
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"A Rather Large Amount of Evidence" Suggests BUSH Is A Closet "Joel's Army" Member
BREAKING: George W. Bush closet "Joel's Army" member?
by dogemperor
Fri Sep 21, 2007 at 01:35:16 PM PDT

I have had a bit of an evidentiary katamari that I've been rolling up for some time, and--whilst I've embargoed it on here, I've posted it on a few less formal forums just to make sure the concept isn't completely on crack.

However, Bruce Wilson's recent post noting George W. Bush's recent promotion of explicit Assemblies of God endtime theology has convinced me not to embargo this post anymore.

Namely, I have found a rather large amount of evidence--to suggest that George W. Bush is "Methodist In Name Only"--and his true loyalties may lie with the neopentecostals, and specifically with the Assemblies of God...a terrifying concept indeed, seeing as the Assemblies is a primary promoter of the steeplejacking of the military and in fact is the ultimate source of "Joel's Army" theology.

long but interesting:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/9/21/145614/144
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Mythsaje Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:07 PM
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1. I attended Assembly of God churches when I was a kid...
Just another in a long line of crackpot theologies that put me on the path to thinking all revealed religion is nonsense.
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lateo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:09 PM
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2. Scary
My father's family is AOG from South Carolina. I don't associate much with them and neither did he. Crazy bunch of folks and I'm glad my father didn't follow in his families footsteps.
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AnnieBW Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:36 PM
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3. No shit, sherlock
* is definitely a promoter of end times theology. That's been well documented.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 05:59 PM
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4. prez shit-for-brains is surrounded with Dominionists and end-of-time fanatics.
He is their poster child....Actually more like a Charlie McCarthy to their Edgar Bergen.
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backscatter712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 06:09 PM
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5. Just the kind of person we need with his finger on the button...
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 06:10 PM by backscatter712
I knew that the Christian Taliban had a lot of power, but I wasn't sure until now that Bush was a full-fledged Kool-Aid drinking holy-roller.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 06:10 PM
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6. How George W. Bush became the head of the new American Dominionist Church/State
Edited on Fri Sep-21-07 06:23 PM by BrklynLiberal
The First Prince of the Theocratic States of America

It happened quietly, with barely a mention in the media. Only the Washington Post dutifully reported it.<1> And only Kevin Phillips saw its significance in his new book, American Dynasty.<2> On December 24, 2001, Pat Robertson resigned his position as President of the Christian Coalition.

Behind the scenes religious conservatives were abuzz with excitement. They believed Robertson had stepped down to allow the ascendance of the President of the United States of America to take his rightful place as the head of the true American Holy Christian Church.

Robertson’s act was symbolic, but it carried a secret and solemn revelation to the faithful. It was the signal that the Bush administration was a government under God that was led by an anointed President who would be the first regent in a dynasty of regents awaiting the return of Jesus to earth. The President would now be the minister through whom God would execute His will in the nation. George W. Bush accepted his scepter and his sword with humility, grace and a sense of exultation.

As Antonin Scalia, Associate Justice of the Supreme Court explained a few months later, the Bible teaches and Christians believe “… that government …derives its moral authority from God. Government is the ‘minister of God’ with powers to ‘revenge,’ to ‘execute wrath,’ including even wrath by the sword…”<3>

George W. Bush began to wield the sword of God’s revenge with relish from the beginning of his administration, but most of us missed the sword play. I have taken the liberty to paraphrase an illustration from Leo Strauss, the father of the neo-conservative movement, which gives us a clue of how the hiding is done:

“One ought not to say to those whom one wants to kill, ‘Give me your votes, because your votes will enable me to kill you and I want to kill you,’ but merely, ‘Give me your votes,’ for once you have the power of the votes in your hand, you can satisfy your desire.”<4>
<snip>

http://www.yuricareport.com/Dominionism/TheDespoilingOfAmerica.htm


Dominionism is a natural if unintended extension of Social Darwinism and is frequently called “Christian Reconstructionism.” Its doctrines are shocking to ordinary Christian believers and to most Americans. Journalist Frederick Clarkson, who has written extensively on the subject, warned in 1994 that Dominionism “seeks to replace democracy with a theocratic elite that would govern by imposing their interpretation of ‘Biblical Law.’” He described the ulterior motive of Dominionism is to eliminate “…labor unions, civil rights laws, and public schools.” Clarkson then describes the creation of new classes of citizens:

“Women would be generally relegated to hearth and home. Insufficiently Christian men would be denied citizenship, perhaps executed. So severe is this theocracy that it would extend capital punishment blasphemy, heresy, adultery, and homosexuality.”
<10>

Today, Dominionists hide their agenda and have resorted to stealth; one investigator who has engaged in internet exchanges with people who identify themselves as religious conservatives said, “They cut and run if I mention the word ‘Dominionism.’”<11> Joan Bokaer, the Director of Theocracy Watch, a project of the Center for Religion, Ethics and Social Policy at Cornell University wrote, “In March 1986, I was on a speaking tour in Iowa and received a copy of the following memo Robertson had distributed to the Iowa Republican County Caucus titled, “How to Participate in a Political Party.” It read:

“Rule the world for God.
“Give the impression that you are there to work for the party, not push an ideology.
“Hide your strength.
“Don’t flaunt your Christianity.

“Christians need to take leadership positions. Party officers control political parties and so it is very important that mature Christians have a majority of leadership positions whenever possible, God willing.”
<snip>

Born in Christian Reconstructionism, which was founded by the late R. J. Rushdoony, the framers of the new cult included Rushdoony, his son-in-law Gary North, Pat Robertson, Herb Titus, the former Dean of Robertson’s Regent University School of Public Policy (formerly CBN University), Charles Colson, Robertson’s political strategist, Tim LaHaye, Gary Bauer, the late Francis Schaeffer, and Paul Crouch, the founder of TBN, the world’s largest television network, plus a virtual army of likeminded television and radio evangelists and news talk show hosts.<snip>

http://www.airamericaplace.com/boards/index.php?showtopic=23319&pid=202965&st=0&

How is this philosophy any different from that of the fundamentalist Islamist fanatics that we are supposedly fighting in the Middle East in order to "PRESERVE OUR DEMOCRACY"????
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:16 PM
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7. They are one and the same
"How is this philosophy any different from that of the fundamentalist Islamist fanatics that we are supposedly fighting in the Middle East in order to "PRESERVE OUR DEMOCRACY"????"

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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 07:55 PM
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8. Exactly!
:crazy:
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 08:53 AM
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15. I feel like Gulliver. n/t
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TalkingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:09 PM
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9. My new bumpersticker:
Bush: So stupid, he's even f*cked up the End Times.



My Favorite Master Artist: Karen Parker GhostWoman Studios

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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:32 PM
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10. Thank you for posting this kpete. I've long appreciated your posts though I have
not mentioned it.

This is part of a project I've been loosely considering for a long time. I have sporadically researched it and written a few chapters in bits and pieces, but only just recently have I begun to take the project seriously.

I was a 'Born Again Christian'. For almost a year back when I was seventeen, I went for it completely. Luckily I was naturally introspective and figured out just why I, and so many others I did and did not know, fell full-spirit into the Belief.

Knowing what I know of these people is very frightening. I was there... I learned the iron ring of rationale that these people use to assure themselves of their absolute righteousness.

Perhaps you, and other DUer's could help.

I would like to get absolutely any input you can afford to give on eschatology of any type. Any leads regarding that, the behavior of and offices currently held by various 'Born Again' Tribulationists, or just your own insights or experiences would be more than welcome.

It may well be that we are out of time.

I would appreciate anybody's input on this, no pressure though. ;)
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Tansy_Gold Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 08:51 PM
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11. One thing to understand in doing your research --
-- and I support you in this completely -- is that awareness of the dangers of the far right wing xtian reconstructionists is not new.

Erling Jorstad's "The Politics of Doomsday: Fundamentalists of the Far Right" was published in 1970. I highly recommend it.

F. H. Knelman's "America, God, and the Bomb" is another excellent work, published in 1987 and is a revised and expanded version of his earlier "Reagan, God, and the Bomb."

Jorstad's book is very, very readable, and when you realize that he was describing almost 40 years ago just the kind of nightmare we now have, it's truly scary.

Remember, even Barry Goldwater wanted nothing to do with these "kooks."


Tansy Gold, who has done some research of her own.


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Gabi Hayes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:02 PM
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12. thanks....here's a site with plenty of interesting links
http://christianreconstruction.org/

one in particular, in which even Falwell shows concern over the likes of Rushdoony and other Xtian Recon maniacs:



http://www.reason.com/news/show/30789.html

sadly, the excellent Political Amazon site, at which I first read about these Talibans, seems to be down
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:07 PM
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14. Creepy.
I hate the feeling of responsibility to create more awareness... but if we do not embrace it, then what are we?

Thank you very much. This thread is now on permanent bookmark for me.

Dr. E
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The Doctor. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-21-07 09:03 PM
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13. Brilliant. Thank you so very much.
-Dr. E
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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:56 AM
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17. it is the search for truth that brings many of us together here.


Thanks for your vast amount of info.

Keep up the digging, kp
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Orsino Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:53 AM
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16. Silly.
There is no evidence that *'s pseudo-religious babbling is anything other than pandering, or that he is loyal to anything other than Big Money. His "conversion" is a fable invented by Karl Rove.

Don't fall for it.
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