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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 07:31 AM
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Did the girl with the fake bomb say it was a bomb?
Edited on Sat Sep-22-07 07:31 AM by ncteechur
Or did officials see the circuit board and overreact?
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MethuenProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 07:33 AM
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1. see this thread:
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ncteechur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 07:36 AM
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2. Thanks! That's what I thought. They were about to kill her for her t-shirt.
We (America) have lost our minds as a nation. The founders are long past rolling in their graves.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 07:44 AM
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4. No!! They had machine guns ready
to blow her ass away!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

She's a FOOL!!!

Dumbfuck!!
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:11 AM
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5. No, Breeze54, you're the fool.
They have succeeded in turning us into a nation of sheep.

"Something different and unapproved by Walmart! Baaah! Baah! Cull the herd! Shoot!
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originalpckelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:36 PM
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15. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
Edited on Sat Sep-22-07 12:37 PM by originalpckelly
What happens if by accident you wear something thought to be a security risk, and in your innocence you just keep going through the airport. Do you want to be blown away? Maybe we shouldn't have such an insanely dangerous "security" policy. What's the difference between a death caused by a terrorist or merely an overzealous security guard at the airport? I don't see how one is better than the other.
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 07:42 AM
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3. She's a fuckin' moron.
She DID tell the first responder that it was a statement.

She's a 19 year old idiot! MIT must be soooo proud! :sarcasm:

How much did her parents PAY for her to go to MIT???

Poor people are truly Shut Out and FUCKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:grr:
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:21 AM
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6. Wow... such knee-jerk hatred of someone...
You'd make a great addition to the modern Republican party...

For all you (or I) know, she studied hard in school, volunteered for various progressive causes, and got a scholarship.

Maybe her parents scrimped, and saved for years in order to be able to send her there, making sacrifices because sending her to a good college was a priority in there life. Why hate someone for having thrifty parents?

Maybe she has a metric butt-ton of loans?

Or a combination of all the above.

I was invited to apply to MIT; I didn't because my financial situation (and grades, to be honest) precluded me from going to -any- college. However, I don't begrudge anyone who was able to do so... Such sour grapes is petty at best, and soul destroying at worst.

It wouldn't surprise me if MIT were proud, though a few might criticize the workmanship (though I doubt the latter).
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LisaL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:29 AM
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7. Of all the things to be proud of, are you seriously suggesting
this is it? Well...
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 09:40 AM
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8. ::shrug:: Maybe not proud...
I don't think she'll have to wear the "Hat of Shame" on campus, though.

It is my understanding that MIT prides itself in teaching their students to be different, and celebrate the fact. I wouldn't expect them to be ashamed for her being an individual.

And in today's twisted national culture of worshiping fame, she might even be more popular... But that's a rant for another time.

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niceypoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 11:04 AM
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9. MIT is very tough and you have to be extremely smart to get in
Proof that common sense and IQ dont go hand in hand.
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:19 PM
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12. There is a difference between smart and wise
A 19 year old can be smart but not wise.

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monmouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 11:55 AM
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10. She may be "brain smart" but she was a stupid ass on this one..No common sense...
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treestar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:20 PM
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13. I can see it happening
It could have just never occurred to her that people were really that paranoid.

She'd been wearing the shirt on campus and nobody flipped.

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mrbluto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:32 PM
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14. Did you read more than one article?
Did you read more than one article?

Once you do I think there's a chance you'd change your mind.

Many of the articles were very biased.

Here's http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1877158&mesg_id=1877158">my take on why there was such spin.
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mrbluto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:18 PM
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11. I actually used to go to MITERS
I used to got to MITERS.

Was fun - seeing the half finished models out of the 3D copier was amusing.

They had a barstool that used the bearings from an old, huge disk drive as part of it's design. If you didn't know about it when you gave it a spin it was a little bewildering. You'd go around and around and around and around.....

The bearing were so good you'd spin way longer that you ever expected.

Lot's of doohickeys like that and the people who think them up.

Maybe I'll start going again.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=1877158&mesg_id=1877158">My take on the news bias of the MSM
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mrbluto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:44 PM
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16. Creativity and Intelligence viewed as Threatening.
I despaired of getting my Journal read in it's own thread on this issue, so here it is:

"Star Simpson / Bomb Scare" and The War of Art.


Has anyone else been disturbed by the slant of the articles regarding the whole Star Simpson "Bomb Scare" at Boston/Logan airport recently?

There's a number of articles that use various tactics to paint the situation in a particular way that read like textbook examples of mis-reporting to me.

Such as:

"MIT Computer Whiz Arrested With Fake Bomb At Logan Airport" (informationweek)

Suggests maybe she wanted to use it as part of a bluff?

Well read a little deeper and we see that she was asked what it was and she replied that it was art.

Hence we get a headline like this:

"MIT Coed With Fake Bomb 'Art' Arrested"

I'd link to that story, but it's already gone.

But read more than one story and read between the lines and it becomes clear what probably happened:

- She had worn the shirt the day before.
- It is a piece of art she wore for career day.
- She woke up the next day and either threw it on because...

a.) it was handy OR MAYBE
b.) wanted to show her boyfriend the neat art thing she made while he was away.

- She winds up at the airport doing what people typically do. (mills about while waiting)
- Fidgets with playdoh.
- Asks for flight information.
- Is asked twice about her shirt - to which she responds "It's art"

No nefarious plot, no cry for attention, no utterly careless behavior.

But read the majority of stories and it sounds very different.

Just look at the implicate assumption of phrases such as "...says fake bomb is art.." or "...fake bomb is hoax...".

See what I see?

They lead you to take for granted that it's a fake bomb and go on from there.

Once you accept the "fake bomb" part you're 80% of the way toward what they'd have you believe.

Just do a googlenews search and do a sample.

The slant is disgusting - it's security and authority and media trying to cover it's ass - without regard to what might happen to the student who, almost quite literally, got caught in the crossfire.

Also note the "didn't answer questions" bit that is repeatedly mentioned with out the "...until asked a second time.". Very convenient bit of editing.

Also welling up in these articles is a whiff of the anti-science, anti-intellectual streak that is running wider and wider though our national culture. (as is evident in articles such as the Boston Herald opinion piece by Howie Carr)

More ominous is how the very idea of creativity gets handled. How many times can they put the phrases "Whiz Kid", "Wacky Artist" and "almost got killed.", "...nearly got shot", next to each other before people start to get the point? How many more times across all these articles before an astute reader realizes that that is the point. (i.e. "keep your antics, no matter how innocent, in check or we might accidentally shoot you." and for those who knowingly toy with the absurdity of the security state it's "we'll have an excuse to shoot you sooner or later if we feel like it, so stfu.")

Why make that threat? Those who champion the security state think they have enough intellectual capital to last them the rest of their business lifetimes. They can't handle rapid change - the nineties scared them. They want innovation at a more comfortable pace: the speed of business. When they want creativity and innovation they intend to beat it out of us - with no more awkward volunteering, no more messy, unasked for questions that blow the cover off of their ulterior schemes, and certainly no more multi-billion dollar companies popping out of capital vacuums thank you very much. ("It takes money to make money. It DOES! We say so!") Maybe they'd rather not physically beat people, but their general stance on torture shows that they already have a bullpen full of cut-outs to do so when expedient.

In the long run, that's the road to disaster.

Intelligent victims of extortion are rarely creative in matters unrelated to escape, resistance, and reprisal.

Those who benefit from the security state expect this. Hell, even the most mediocre employee eventually engages in the conscious withdrawal of efficiency. What troubles them about "smart people" is it's hard to know what easter eggs they've left waiting for you in the results of their labor when you piss them off. That's what really frightens them. Mainly in technology, but also, not so consciously to them, in matters of art.

I feel sorry for them (once I get tired of being enraged or disgusted).

I feel sorry for the rest of us.

Not sure there's a solution.

It's a conundrum alright.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 12:45 PM
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17. It wasn't a fake bomb.
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ljm2002 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 01:30 PM
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18. Exactly: It was not a "fake bomb"...
...it was misinterpreted as such.

I can see how the guards may have made that mistake: there it is on her shirt, with a battery and wires and gloppy stuff that one could mistake for plastique. I do not fault them for noticing and asking her about it, but they certainly did not need to react instantly and harshly -- she had already been at the airport for awhile and had not shown any threatening intent.

I can see how she made her mistake: she's a creative geeky engineer type, she had made this thing for fun and art, she just threw it on and didn't give it another thought. A definite error in judgment, but of the sort that young people in particular are often known to make.

Thank goodness she was not shot. But I see no reason to spread around the "it was a fake bomb" BS, nor do I see any reason to condemn her -- I'm sure she's learned a lesson. Furthermore, I think we need to remind our security guards that there are appropriate responses between "ignore" and "shoot to kill".

Just another pumping up of the mass hysteria. If we don't have any real bomb threats then we can blow this fake one up all out of proportion, and people can go around calling her a dumb f*ck and worse and convince themselves that THEY would NEVER, EVER have a lapse in judgment that would bring the wrath of armed security guards down upon their heads.

Until they do.
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