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Bicoastal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 02:51 PM
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Who cares? The only correct response to the "Betrayus" flap is Obama's...
...because he refused to vote one way or the other on the measure condemning it. He essentially ignored it, which is what I've been trying to do.

There have been plenty of mock-outrage political incidents in the last few years, but this one is truly a scandal about nothing. Outside of the studios of CNN and Fox News, outside of the realm of talk radio and political blogs--absolutely NO ONE cares about MoveOn.org's ad. 90% of the country isn't outraged by this criticism of General Petraus, but most of them aren't going to rise to MoveOn.org's defense either--not because they dislike the organization, but because they realize the organization is perfectly capable of defending itself.

MoveOn isn't hurting from this--they've made no enemies that they didn't already have, and frankly, they probably knew the right wing would respond in this matter. As a result--free publicity, new members, and a whole lot of contributions. I'm not so cynical that I'd say this was a calculated move on their part, but still--they know full well what they were doing. (We can all agree, from our past experience in elementary school, that using someone's last name as a punching bag is pretty incendiary--and yes, I'm aware that "Betrayus" wasn't an original insult.) They also probably relished the oppurtunity to see the Right Wing Spin Machine on full cycle--what, almost 2 full weeks after the ad was posted?--decrying this dastardly excercise in free speech.

It's hilarious watching poor Giuliani squirm, trying to convince people that because Hillary hasn't rushed to condemn the ad, she's somehow in bed with those crazy "radical left-wingers". (Guilt by non-association? Didn't that fail in the 50's, when elected officials were accused of being pinkos if they didn't denounce communism enough?) Bill O'Reilly and Limbaugh bloviating away about how outrageous it is to make an insulting pun on someone's name--even though they've been guilty of doing the exact same thing for years? It's all completely transparent, and no one in the country is buying it--Bush and the war are as unpopular as ever, and most Americans agree with MoveOn's message, if not the way it was delivered.

As for the Senate's condemnation of MoveOn's ad--which accomplished exactly WHAT, again?--I bear no grudge against the Democrats who voted for it, although once again, Obama's decision was the correct one. Senators like Leahy, Levin, and Webb don't need to prove to me that they're on our side--their past actions have spoken louder than some phoney baloney pledge. Why then, did they do it? I don't know--perhaps they're suckers for a man in uniform. Or perhaps they were annoyed with MoveOn.org for providing a fresh, if flimsy, target for Republicans to take aim at. Or perhaps bullies made fun of THEIR last names when they were children, and thus they sympathized with the general. Who cares?

I don't. Taking sides in a completely manufactured controversy makes us dupes of us all--especially in a controversy where no one is hurting one way or the other. MoveOn scored some notoriety points, Right Wing blowhards scored some new talking points, and each individual in the Senate scored some political points from their respective bases, no matter which way they voted. No personal liberties have been attacked with more than just words. No one is in jail. No one has been tasered. And sadly, soldiers and civilians in Iraq continue to be killed.

But the only person who, in my eyes, came out clean was Barack Obama, who knew that either voting for or against the condemnation would be a vote in favor of extending this "controversy." In his own words,"the focus of the United States Senate should be on ending this war, not on criticizing newspaper advertisements. This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq.'' He also voted for Boxer's measure codemning the attacks on the “honor, integrity and patriotism” of any individual who is serving or has served in the Armed Forces--which, before we get too mad at Boxer, name-checked the sad cases of Max Cleland and John Kerry.

In the past, Obama has said he wants a change in Washington, pledging to elevate the political discourse if he gets elected. He doesn't completely have my vote yet, but at least he's talking the talk and walking the walk.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:06 PM
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1. But, he voted on the first measure...Boxer amendment...
why didn't he ignore both of them, like Biden did?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:11 PM
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3. Because the swifties outright lied
And if they're gonna go passing non-binding resolutions to condemn media campaigns, they should include those damned bastards.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:39 PM
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8. I'm sorry. I don't buy it. I think he found a way
to have his cake and eat it, too.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:09 PM
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2. Obama did vote to condemn the MoveOn ad
In fact, Boxer's amendment did mention the MoveOn.org advertisement, calling it an "an unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus." Moreover, in describing the amendments as "extremely similar," the Times did not report that, while Cornyn's amendment singled out the MoveOn.org ad, Boxer's amendment also cited Republican-backed attacks against Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) and former Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) in condemning "all attacks on the honor, integrity, and patriotism of any individual who is serving or has served honorably" in the military. http://mediamatters.org/items/200709210010


Here is some of the wording in her amendment-

http://mediamatters.org/rd?http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S11864&dbname=2007_record
(6) On September 10, 2007, an advertisement in the New York Times was an unwarranted personal attack on General Petraeus; who is honorably leading our Armed Forces in Iraq and carrying out the mission assigned to him by the President of the United States; and

(7) Such personal attacks on those with distinguished military service to our nation have become all too frequent.

...2) to strongly condemn all attacks on the honor, integrity, and patriotism of any individual who is serving or has served honorably in the United States Armed Forces, by any person or organization.

How he voted-

Obama (D-IL), Yea
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=110&session=1&vote=00343



His statement was disingenuous.
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:12 PM
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4. Not really
Why vote on Cornyn's little resolution if it does not include the swifties?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:19 PM
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5. Why say this
"This amendment was a stunt designed only to score cheap political points while what we should be doing is focusing on the deadly serious challenge we face in Iraq."

and imply you wont vote on silly amendments when there is a war on, and then vote on the silly Boxer amendment" http://tpmelectioncentral.com/2007/09/_obama_explains_missed_moveon_vote_i_registered_my_protest.php
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:27 PM
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6. Maybe
But then again, the Boxer amendment would have been the first time one our legislative bodies would have a chance to write their disapproval of those damned bastards into the public record. They're still out there you know, the swifties. They've mutated into another form, but they're still out there lying and getting donations to do it.
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:39 PM
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7. Not really and maybe, sorry I'm looking for a leader
that will stand up and have his vote counted. He did the same thing in the Illinois legislature, he refused to have his vote count on issues where there was controversy. Hillary showed leadership, where was Obama?
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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 03:42 PM
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9. OK
I would never stand in the way of you and your voting choices, unlike those folks from the other party.
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fenriswolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 04:15 PM
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10. kucinich
anyone know how kucinich voted? or what his stance was on the moveon ad?
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2rth2pwr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 04:49 PM
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12. He is in Congress, this was a Senate resolution
I can't find a statement from him on this, but he hasn't backed down from voting his conscious, see his vote on the Sept 11th Commemoration resolution. The vote was 334-1, he was the one. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2987867
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AtomicKitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-22-07 04:27 PM
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11. IMO Obama responded EXACTLY correctly.
This dumbass vote on Move.On should never have even been entertained much less brought to a vote. We need to decide whether we are going to continue to play the GOP reindeer games - or not. Kudos to Obama for telling them to piss off.
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