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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:09 AM Original message |
The response here to the MIT student situation is confusing to me. |
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Mythsaje (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
1. I agree that detaining her was the right thing to do... |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
2. I think people associate terror with Bush's politics, so some want to ridicule the possibility -- |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:16 AM Response to Original message |
3. I thought it was perfectly reasonable for them to detain her, BUT |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:22 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. My confusion comes in when people say it looks nothing like a bomb |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:40 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. The detonator in your picture consists of a cell phone attached to a circuit |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. If you're activating the bomb in situ, why would your detonator need a transmitting device? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:55 AM Response to Reply #12 |
15. If the bomb is in situ, where is the explosive? And why would a real bomber wear |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Wires could easily trail to a concealed explosive on her person. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:05 AM Response to Reply #16 |
18. They "could" but they didn't. I have no problem with them detaining her, |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:11 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. My big problem is with people who say "it looks nothing like a bomb" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:21 AM Response to Reply #19 |
23. I don't think it looks like a bomb, and neither did all the people who |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:32 AM Response to Reply #23 |
28. Detonator-lookalikes are de rigueur at engineering career days. Not at the airport |
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northzax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
62. context is everything |
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LanternWaste (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:10 PM Response to Reply #19 |
59. I wanted to assume... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. And police would know that how? Without inspecting the device? |
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RogueBandit (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:25 AM Response to Original message |
5. They have nothing else |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:30 AM Response to Reply #5 |
8. If someone -really wants- to do another 9/11 scale attack, they will |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:45 PM Response to Reply #8 |
45. I think charging her should depend on what her motivation was. |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:55 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. Certainly she would never give an untruthful answer to a question about her motivation, right? n/t |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:26 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's not some funny joke and you can face |
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RogueBandit (168 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:29 AM Response to Reply #6 |
7. What joke? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:31 AM Response to Reply #6 |
9. But it wasn't a joke or a fake bomb / bomb threat |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:51 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. religious symbols cannot be banned in Germany |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:54 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. My example was just meant to make a point. You can't just assume intent was there |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:59 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. We agree on this much. It is wrong for people to be inferring criminal |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:20 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Yes, it's a tough one and if there was a crime for being stupid |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:24 AM Response to Reply #22 |
25. If she had done something suspicious as they detained her, they may have shot her |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #25 |
41. Exactly. The guy in England got shot and he didn't even have |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:51 PM Response to Reply #9 |
49. In point of fact, those Swastika-sporting Jainists WOULD be arrested in Germany. |
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2rth2pwr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #49 |
74. Google is your friend |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:43 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. She didn't do it as a joke. She made it to wear on campus, |
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tkmorris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:15 AM Response to Original message |
20. They were correct in detaining her..... |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:16 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Totally agree. "It looked nothing like a bomb" is the argument I have a problem with |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
24. But the problem is, by your definition almost anything could look like a bomb. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:26 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. So when a detonator-looking thing is exposed on someone, you would ignore it? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:30 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. You know I already said it was right for them to check her out. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:36 AM Response to Reply #27 |
29. I said they shouldn't be charging her in the OP, so why are you arguing with me? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:41 AM Response to Reply #29 |
30. Our argument only concerns whether her device looks like a bomb or not. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:43 AM Response to Reply #30 |
32. A circuit board w/ battery strapped to someone = a sneaker to you? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:31 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Where did I say that? |
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tigereye (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:53 PM Response to Reply #24 |
51. there is an element of over-generalization of what constitutes "terroristic" |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
31. Deleted message |
jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:46 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Time to give all security personnel your introductory electronics correspondence course |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:37 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. Why do you keep using the word "strapped" in this context? |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #37 |
70. Parts were strappe together with scotch tape, no? Look at the picture. |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
35. My bewilderment comes when people proclaim her a genius because... |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:38 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. I think she is supposed to be a genius because she goes to |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:41 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. MIT tried to recruit me... |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
42. I have an MS in mathematics and suck at arithmetic. Only an idiot thinks there's any interesting... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #42 |
54. This idiot thinks that you are a smarmy motherfucker (and your mother must be desperate) |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:57 PM Response to Reply #54 |
55. lol! |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 07:11 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Sorry...that was a little too reflexively vicious on my part |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. Then what did they try to recruit you for and why? |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
52. The results from some military test (that I only took in order to get out of... |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:49 PM Response to Reply #35 |
48. I've only seen one point so far I thought I good - regarding Disney vs airport security |
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Buns_of_Fire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:22 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. BTW, I've heard that that guy is now part of the "Pirates of the Caribbean" attraction. |
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Rosemary2205 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. LOL |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:42 PM Response to Original message |
40. Run-time decision to detain is very different from the considered decision to charge. Duh. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:44 PM Response to Original message |
44. Stop her without using guns, ask about it, let her go... |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:52 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. "A bomb would have been concealed anyway." Oh, really? And you KNOW this how? |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #50 |
57. Bombs usually are concealed |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:39 PM Response to Reply #57 |
71. Are you insane? Do you know how many have been killed by obvious-looking exposed bombs? |
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Trillo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
46. Pretty much agree. |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Their concerns are self-serving |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:49 PM Response to Original message |
47. I take airports and airplanes---both having been terrorists' targets--- |
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DaveJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #47 |
56. How in the world was this a stunt? |
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treestar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 03:57 PM Response to Original message |
63. Would a suicide bomber have something on the outside? |
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LisaL (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. I am sure that would depend on what the motivation of the bomber is. |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:04 PM Response to Original message |
64. If they DIDN'T stop her and she blew something up, we would complain about that as well |
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Dr. Strange (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. It clearly wasn't a bomb. |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:41 PM Response to Reply #66 |
72. Nice |
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abq e streeter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 04:19 PM Response to Original message |
67. As usual, you make sense to me |
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TheFriendlyAnarchist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 07:17 PM Response to Original message |
69. LOL @ the ghetto explosive in pic 3 |
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Pithlet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-23-07 11:49 PM Response to Original message |
73. It was perfectly reasonable to detain her at that point. |
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